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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/16/2008 11:50:18 PM
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Anyway, back to the original subject.
Alan Keyes was someone I hoped would have been given a longer look. What exactly was wrong with him?
J. C. Watts has potential also.
On the other side of the aisle, there's 5-term Democratic Tennessee congressman Harold Ford. Ford opposes gay marriage, is pro-life, and voted to allow school prayer and public display of the 10 Commandments.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 7:21:41 AM
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Alan Keyes was someone I hoped would have been given a longer look. What exactly was wrong with him?
I think he would make a good president. Unfortunately, the nominees always get picked before my state ever gets around to our primary.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 8:40:55 AM
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...and the prize goes to....
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Any society obsessed with racial categorization will be racially divided.
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In 30 years...maybe. I am not sure of his politics and in thrity years, paying all those taxes and buying all those yauchts and schmoozing with all those rich people, he might become conservative.
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Obama has the potential to undo most of the damage Reagan did
Even if we could agree that Reagan damaged anything, which we could not, there is NO way Obama could be the leader Reagan was.
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Personally I'm for getting through NO Pork!!
So, you want a jew as president..??
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Alan Keyes was someone I hoped would have been given a longer look. What exactly was wrong with him?
He is a......catholic.
I have said for a number of years the most successful presidential run would be from Keyes and Watts. Thing with Keyes is his political experience, which he has none and has never won an election.
I just want a conservaitve. His skin pigment means little to me.
Its also easier to find a man of race running for president, or any office today, than a true conservative candidate. They...are the true minority.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 9:00:53 AM
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Alan Keyes
Yes I would be more than willing to investigate that possibility more.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 9:40:48 AM
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For a whole lot of America, it is gonna be about race.
He's qualified, more than some that have won. He could run circles around the current one.
There are qualified blacks now and in the past. MLK would have made a great president. I would've took Malcolm x too. Condi is smart, but I don't like her for president, Will take Colin in heartbeat.
There are plenty of Black people that could do it.
I just don't like BO.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 9:54:36 AM
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Cow, You think all muslims are evil? That is a bad attitude to have.
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I entioned that, but, malcom was evil, and EV Hill, I felt like was my best friend, when he died I grieved so. He was a good man.
Oh, I keep forgetting that all Muslims are evil.
Then why do so many "Christians" posters have it? BTW, why do you say Malcom X was evil?
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 10:54:49 AM
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I wouldn't mind having Keyes for a pastor, but not President. What is wrong with Keyes is that his views don't match with most of America. Even in the Christian community, not all Believers agree with his views (or at the very least, many believe there are more important issues to address than those that Keyes focuses on).
And getting with the original question, I really don't understand what one's color has to do with being worthy of being President. I think that here on CW, the issue people have with Obama is simply that he is not a conservative.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 10:55:02 AM
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I entioned that, but, malcom was evil, and EV Hill, I felt like was my best friend, when he died I grieved so. He was a good man.
not to change the conversation of the thread, but I just wanted to respond to this.
Here is a little history on Malcolm X. Yes in the beginning he was a radical who spoke harshly against white America. Heck, white people period. Anyway, this was done during his time under the racist teachings of Elijah Mohammad and his active role as a very visible member of the Nation of Islam. Well, all that change when he made his pilgrimage from Medina to Mecca and he saw black, white, and of course middle eastern Muslims all worshipping Allah in peace and unity. There was no racial division and no segregation. Color meant nothing over there. In the past he demonized the entire white race, but during his pilgrimage he discovered that there were white Muslims who worship Allah just like him. White people he could embrace as a brother in the faith and a brother in humanity. When he came back to America, his whole mindset changed as it relates to white people. He ended up leaving the Nation of Islam (he actually left before the pilgrimage) and in the end it cost him his life. In the beginning, Malcolm X was more or less a radical version of Martin Luther King. Both wanted the same goal of black liberation, but different ideas on how to obtain it. Martin was accomplishing this in a peaceful manner, and Malcolm was “By any means Necessary” in wanting to return the same type of hostility toward us back onto the oppressors of that time. After experiencing worshipping in peace with Muslims of all colors (blond hair, blue eyes whites included) he changed and saw the reality that we could coexist together despite color. I’m not subscribing to Islam because I’m against their beliefs, but I wanted to set the record straight before we start labeling him as evil. Without a historical context such labeling is reckless. I know no one here would read it, but his autobiography is a great read. Lightshineon, this is nothing against you because honestly, a lot of people (including some African Americans) just don’t know this tidbit of African American history.
Ok guys carry on. 
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 1:44:23 PM
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Then why do so many "Christians" posters have it? BTW, why do you say Malcom X was evil?
So you have never read or heard his teaching, eh?
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 2:15:03 PM
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Cow, you were the one that said all muslim were evil, not me. I will probaly go eat at my ken folk Muslim resturaunt tonight. He is from Iraq, through marriage one of the nicest people I know.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 2:18:29 PM
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Well Ken, I am humble enough to admit I do not know it all, so I will look into your book. I know that from things I have read before, watched, he was very intense on hate, but, thanks for the information, and I will look into it. BtW that does not mean I do not know anything. (LOL) IF that is true about Malcom than, gooodness a pagan, knew the truth more than some of us Christians as far as unity between the races. What a shame that is. And, another thing EV Hill was a true loving man of God.
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I entioned that, but, malcom was evil, and EV Hill, I felt like was my best friend, when he died I grieved so. He was a good man.
not to change the conversation of the thread, but I just wanted to respond to this.
Here is a little history on Malcolm X. Yes in the beginning he was a radical who spoke harshly against white America. Heck, white people period. Anyway, this was done during his time under the racist teachings of Elijah Mohammad and his active role as a very visible member of the Nation of Islam. Well, all that change when he made his pilgrimage from Medina to Mecca and he saw black, white, and of course middle eastern Muslims all worshipping Allah in peace and unity. There was no racial division and no segregation. Color meant nothing over there. In the past he demonized the entire white race, but during his pilgrimage he discovered that there were white Muslims who worship Allah just like him. White people he could embrace as a brother in the faith and a brother in humanity. When he came back to America, his whole mindset changed as it relates to white people. He ended up leaving the Nation of Islam (he actually left before the pilgrimage) and in the end it cost him his life. In the beginning, Malcolm X was more or less a radical version of Martin Luther King. Both wanted the same goal of black liberation, but different ideas on how to obtain it. Martin was accomplishing this in a peaceful manner, and Malcolm was “By any means Necessary” in wanting to return the same type of hostility toward us back onto the oppressors of that time. After experiencing worshipping in peace with Muslims of all colors (blond hair, blue eyes whites included) he changed and saw the reality that we could coexist together despite color. I’m not subscribing to Islam because I’m against their beliefs, but I wanted to set the record straight before we start labeling him as evil. Without a historical context such labeling is reckless. I know no one here would read it, but his autobiography is a great read. Lightshineon, this is nothing against you because honestly, a lot of people (including some African Americans) just don’t know this tidbit of African American history.
Ok guys carry on.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 2:35:52 PM
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On the other side of the aisle, there's 5-term Democratic Tennessee congressman Harold Ford. Ford opposes gay marriage, is pro-life, and voted to allow school prayer and public display of the 10 Commandments.
I've said it before, in another thread, Harold Ford Jr. deserves the place where Obama is. He's infinitely more qualified. If the Dems had him running, I might vote donk for the first time ever. I think he would make a fine president.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 3:06:20 PM
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Well Ken, I am humble enough to admit I do not know it all, so I will look into your book. I know that from things I have read before, watched, he was very intense on hate, but, thanks for the information, and I will look into it. BtW that does not mean I do not know anything. (LOL) IF that is true about Malcom than, gooodness a pagan, knew the truth more than some of us Christians as far as unity between the races. What a shame that is. And, another thing EV Hill was a true loving man of God.
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I entioned that, but, malcom was evil, and EV Hill, I felt like was my best friend, when he died I grieved so. He was a good man.
not to change the conversation of the thread, but I just wanted to respond to this.
Here is a little history on Malcolm X. Yes in the beginning he was a radical who spoke harshly against white America. Heck, white people period. Anyway, this was done during his time under the racist teachings of Elijah Mohammad and his active role as a very visible member of the Nation of Islam. Well, all that change when he made his pilgrimage from Medina to Mecca and he saw black, white, and of course middle eastern Muslims all worshipping Allah in peace and unity. There was no racial division and no segregation. Color meant nothing over there. In the past he demonized the entire white race, but during his pilgrimage he discovered that there were white Muslims who worship Allah just like him. White people he could embrace as a brother in the faith and a brother in humanity. When he came back to America, his whole mindset changed as it relates to white people. He ended up leaving the Nation of Islam (he actually left before the pilgrimage) and in the end it cost him his life. In the beginning, Malcolm X was more or less a radical version of Martin Luther King. Both wanted the same goal of black liberation, but different ideas on how to obtain it. Martin was accomplishing this in a peaceful manner, and Malcolm was “By any means Necessary” in wanting to return the same type of hostility toward us back onto the oppressors of that time. After experiencing worshipping in peace with Muslims of all colors (blond hair, blue eyes whites included) he changed and saw the reality that we could coexist together despite color. I’m not subscribing to Islam because I’m against their beliefs, but I wanted to set the record straight before we start labeling him as evil. Without a historical context such labeling is reckless. I know no one here would read it, but his autobiography is a great read. Lightshineon, this is nothing against you because honestly, a lot of people (including some African Americans) just don’t know this tidbit of African American history.
Ok guys carry on.
I once read that he went through 3 stages of his life.
Malcolm Little: the small time criminal and drug addict
Malcolm X: the face of the NOI that preached resolving segregation by means of racial hatred and violence toward the oppressors of the time
Malik El- Shabazz: preacher of racial unity and equality.
Malcolm X is what everyone remembers most. Believe me, I use to wear the T-Shirt of him at the window, shotgun in hand with, "By Any Means Necessary" written at the bottom. After I read his autobiography and read numerous articles about him, I put that shirt away. His story and evolution is fascinating.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 3:24:32 PM
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Malik El- Shabazz: preacher of racial unity and equality. This is what got him killed.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 6:02:45 PM
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Well we can all change Glory to God. I wish he could have embraced Jesus, what, a wonderful thing that could have done, for all of us.
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Well Ken, I am humble enough to admit I do not know it all, so I will look into your book. I know that from things I have read before, watched, he was very intense on hate, but, thanks for the information, and I will look into it. BtW that does not mean I do not know anything. (LOL) IF that is true about Malcom than, gooodness a pagan, knew the truth more than some of us Christians as far as unity between the races. What a shame that is. And, another thing EV Hill was a true loving man of God.
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
I entioned that, but, malcom was evil, and EV Hill, I felt like was my best friend, when he died I grieved so. He was a good man.
not to change the conversation of the thread, but I just wanted to respond to this.
Here is a little history on Malcolm X. Yes in the beginning he was a radical who spoke harshly against white America. Heck, white people period. Anyway, this was done during his time under the racist teachings of Elijah Mohammad and his active role as a very visible member of the Nation of Islam. Well, all that change when he made his pilgrimage from Medina to Mecca and he saw black, white, and of course middle eastern Muslims all worshipping Allah in peace and unity. There was no racial division and no segregation. Color meant nothing over there. In the past he demonized the entire white race, but during his pilgrimage he discovered that there were white Muslims who worship Allah just like him. White people he could embrace as a brother in the faith and a brother in humanity. When he came back to America, his whole mindset changed as it relates to white people. He ended up leaving the Nation of Islam (he actually left before the pilgrimage) and in the end it cost him his life. In the beginning, Malcolm X was more or less a radical version of Martin Luther King. Both wanted the same goal of black liberation, but different ideas on how to obtain it. Martin was accomplishing this in a peaceful manner, and Malcolm was “By any means Necessary” in wanting to return the same type of hostility toward us back onto the oppressors of that time. After experiencing worshipping in peace with Muslims of all colors (blond hair, blue eyes whites included) he changed and saw the reality that we could coexist together despite color. I’m not subscribing to Islam because I’m against their beliefs, but I wanted to set the record straight before we start labeling him as evil. Without a historical context such labeling is reckless. I know no one here would read it, but his autobiography is a great read. Lightshineon, this is nothing against you because honestly, a lot of people (including some African Americans) just don’t know this tidbit of African American history.
Ok guys carry on.
I once read that he went through 3 stages of his life.
Malcolm Little: the small time criminal and drug addict
Malcolm X: the face of the NOI that preached resolving segregation by means of racial hatred and violence toward the oppressors of the time
Malik El- Shabazz: preacher of racial unity and equality.
Malcolm X is what everyone remembers most. Believe me, I use to wear the T-Shirt of him at the window, shotgun in hand with, "By Any Means Necessary" written at the bottom. After I read his autobiography and read numerous articles about him, I put that shirt away. His story and evolution is fascinating.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/17/2008 8:21:04 PM
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Well we can all change Glory to God. I wish he could have embraced Jesus, what, a wonderful thing that could have done, for all of us.
I wish he had too. But if you read his writings, you'll see that that was likely the next phase in his life. Those changes in what he understood and began to teach, were what led to his death. There's hope for him and others after the Rapture.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/18/2008 9:52:40 AM
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Then why do so many "Christians" posters have it? BTW, why do you say Malcom X was evil?
So you have never read or heard his teaching, eh?
Thsnks
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Yes, have you?
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/18/2008 12:28:39 PM
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Isn't Mr. X kind of off topic?
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/18/2008 12:57:43 PM
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Isn't Mr. X kind of off topic?
Not if he's worthy to be President.
Or was worthy while alive.
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/18/2008 1:05:17 PM
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Isn't Mr. X kind of off topic?
Well…someone said something that needed to be corrected, I made sort of a disclaimer statement that I was jumping off topic for a second, the correction was made through a history brief, and at the end I said carry on. No one is stopping you, free to continue to discuss the main subject of this thread. 
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/18/2008 2:50:24 PM
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Then why do so many "Christians" posters have it? BTW, why do you say Malcom X was evil?
So you have never read or heard his teaching, eh?
Thsnks
RC
Yes, have you?
Sadly I have, and it is just more Afro Centrist, Black liberation, unGodly crud.
Thanks
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RE: Is there ANY black person worthy to be President? - 4/18/2008 3:11:33 PM
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Then why do so many "Christians" posters have it? BTW, why do you say Malcom X was evil?
So you have never read or heard his teaching, eh?
Thsnks
RC
Yes, have you?
Sadly I have, and it is just more Afro Centrist, Black liberation, unGodly crud.
Thanks
RS
Thanks for responding. What a relief it isn't just because he was Muslim. 
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