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saved9201 -> John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 5:04:29 PM)

And he knows it.
Whoever he gets will be one of the weakest, least competent opponents he's ever faced in his political career.
He must be chomping at the bit.
Right now, Obama is answering questions about his pastor, his past associations, his wife's statements - while Hillary is explaining away her lies.

Personally, I believe the attacks against both have been nitpicky, irrelevant and unprecedented, but I didn't come here to discuss that. Plenty of threads to discuss that.

I'm just saying what I've been saying all along, that Obama doesn't stand a chance against a real candidate. I mean, people have been inventing reasons not to vote for him, like his name, his crazy preacher, his association with this guy or that guy, his gaffes, his ghetto wife. How about simply because he's not qualified to be president? Not based on what we need today. Not based on what other presidents have had. Someone should have told him that. Someone should tell him that if he's having problems putting away one of the most hated women who ever lived, how is he going to do against a genuine war hero with the experience of McCain?

How do I know this? Because every once in a while, he has to talk about something other than his preacher. I'm not a big fan of McCain, but I'm now convinced we can't let any one of those other two clowns, especially Obama, near the Oval office. Did y'all see/hear him in those hearings with General Petraeus? Obama has no clue. Neither does Hillary for that matter. He kept asking, "When can we leave Iraq?" How's the general supposed to answer that question? It's like my wife asking me when I'm going to finish mowing the yard. "Hey, when I'm DONE, now shutup and bring me a cold glass of tea." (just kidding).

Why hasn't anyone told him he's not qualified to be our commander in chief, leader of the free world? I think part of it is because there are some white folks who are scared to say a black man isn't qualified for something even if he clearly isn't. Lots of folks have no problem talking about how dumb and incompetent W. Bush is, but you can't say that about Obama or Hillary. Calling a black person incompetent and unqualified is just like calling him the "n" word, everybody knows that. And calling a dumb blond a dumb blond is sexist. So it's safer to come up with other reasons so you won't have to deal with the real issue here. That even though both Obama and Hillary went to Ivy League schools, they're both just plain stupid.

McCain probably hopes and prays he gets to debate those two on Iraq, on his qualifications, experience, etc. By the time McCain struts his resume and knowledge of foreign policy out for the American people to compare against Obama's lack thereof, Barack will be scratching his head and wishing for the good old days when all he had to do was answer questions about his preacher. Trust me on this one. I'm predicting McCain takes at least 40 states in November.

- Julius



lightshineon -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 5:16:52 PM)

You do not want Obama to win? McCain the jury is still out for me. I think we Americans this election are the unluckiest Americans around. McCain I have not heard enough from seriously to form an opinion. I am like you, a person has to speak, and see the body language, whatever. Obama being black, has nothing to do with it for me, he is so different, and when he speaks, I hear nothing of importance. Hillary is just a silly woman ( drinking shots) a dumb blonde. That was hard for me to say, being blonde, but she gives us blondes a bad name.[sm=kisslips.gif]



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 5:55:38 PM)

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You do not want Obama to win?


I'm a black man and I'm very pleased to see other blacks accomplish things. Some people may call that a form of prejudice but we can discuss that in another thread. I was happy to see Tiger Woods make it, happy to see Tony Dungy win a Super Bowl, happy to see Colin Powell and Ms Rice (I'm not even going to TRY to spell her first name) become sec. of states. But the people I mentioned were competent people and people who were clearly the best for their respective jobs. Obama isn't. I kinda feel both embarrased and sorry for him sometimes, and wish he would just drop out. I'm kinda concerned he'll make it tough for the next black candidate. I started another thread, some people took it the wrong way, but IF we HAD to choose a BLACK nominee, in my opinion, he still wouldn't be the most qualified one out there.

I will admit, that I thought Obama had potential, but I talked to my 84 year old aunt recently, a veteran of the civil rights movement, and asked her what she thought of Obama. She said she's listened to his speeches and he says absolutely nothing. She wasn't impressed by his "race" speech and believes it's an insult to compare that speech to the one MLK gave in D.C. She says he came from out of nowhere and she's was very suspicious of him from the start. That response surprised me because I thought she would be proud to say she lived to see a black president. But obviously, he's not the guy.

Obama needs more experience and grooming. It's beginning to show that he's in way over his head and he's lost a lot of momentum. He's benefited from a very weak democratic field who all seemed to be content to get out of Hillary's way. He's also actually benefiting now from people who are content with having him answer questions about his preacher, his past associations, and his dumb statements.

Hillary, I think, wants Obama to lose to McCain, so she'll at least have another shot in 2012. I think her and her husband realize they're fighting a losing battle, so plan B is to insure the party pays for denying her when it was clearly, her turn.

The more I look at McCain though, I think for the time were in right now, and as much as I hate to admit it, he's probably the only intelligent choice. I believe that at the end of the day, the majority of Americans, whatever their race or political affiliations, will see that too.

- Julius



Jhud -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 5:56:38 PM)

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Why hasn't anyone told him he's not qualified to be our commander in chief, leader of the free world? I think part of it is because there are some white folks who are scared to say a black man isn't qualified for something even if he clearly isn't. Lots of folks have no problem talking about how dumb and incompetent W. Bush is, but you can't say that about Obama or Hillary. Calling a black person incompetent and unqualified is just like calling him the "n" word, everybody knows that. And calling a dumb blond a dumb blond is sexist. So it's safer to come up with other reasons so you won't have to deal with the real issue here. That even though both Obama and Hillary went to Ivy League schools, they're both just plain stupid.


That may be one of the most astute analysis of the election I have seen to date, in any venue.



Jhud -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 5:58:30 PM)

And incidentally, I am not so sure McMain is all that much more smart than either one of them, but he has been around the block a few more times.

Ok, many, many more times.



inthysite -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 6:26:56 PM)

I think McCain is smarter than everyone gives him credit for. He wasn't given much of a chance when he announced his bid to run for president considering his loss of the nomination to Bush in 2000.

It didn't look good at first and he was having trouble getting funding causing him to layoff a lot of his staff. But somehow he managed to pick his battles correctly and strategically to get the votes he needed. Holding small town meetings, allowing the people to get to know him.

Sure, a little luck has helped him along the way, with Huckabee and Romney splitting the vote. But even there McCain played it smart. Who can forget the North Carolina caucus where McCain told his supporter to vote for Huckabee causing Romney to lose that state. He knew who his real opponent was and was willing to do what it took to win.

People don't give him enough credit. They think he is too nice to get down and dirty in the general election, to take advantage of all the junk that is being played out now. But if you look real close you will see subtle hints of what is to come. Did anyone catch his small blurb on American Idol? He basically said that American Idol is a lot like the primaries, except for Michigan and Florida because now their votes count! Nothing like a little dig there [:D]

So I think it's a combonation of luck, skill, timing and self destruction on the part of the Democrats. But hey, they were major Kool-Aid drinkers who hopped on board of their candidates before looking under the hood. Hillary was supposed to be inevitable but no one realised how much America was really tired of the Clintons and their lies. Obama, well what idiot thought it would be a good idea to send a freshman senator into a presidential race unless it was because they think they can control him.



lightshineon -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 7:01:27 PM)

You know Julius, older people like your aunt, they have alot of untapped wisdom. Maybe this is the same as McCain. What did she say about Hillary? I feel sorry for Obama too sometimes, I do not know why. Though, I feel sorry for everybody, even Saddam Hussien, when he was hung, Go fiqure.



Pat-rebel_lady -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 7:36:04 PM)

I’m leaning towards Mc Cain; I’m waiting to see who his running mate will be (hope it’s Romney); because of the following:
Lobbying & Ethics Reform:
Seal the Pork Barrel:
Pork barrel spending is an insult to taxpayers, a waste of public resources, and an abdication of our leaders' responsibility to be good and honorable stewards of the public treasury, for the benefit of all Americans, not just a few.
Too often it appears that elected leaders use the treasury as a campaign kitty, channeling taxpayer dollars for pet projects to preserve incumbency rather than to meet national needs. John McCain has been a tireless warrior against wasteful spending, and one of the few leaders who has the guts to challenge abusive Congressional earmarks and the pork barrel politics that grip Washington. John McCain understands that, fundamentally, wasteful spending is an issue of ethics.
As he pointed out recently as part of his longstanding, principled, and often lonely vigil against pork barrel earmarks in Congress: "Earmarked dollars have doubled just since 2000, and more than tripled in the last 10 years. This explosion in earmarks led one lobbyist to deride the appropriations committees as favor factories. The time for us to fix this broken process is long overdue." As President, John McCain would shine the disinfecting light of public scrutiny on those who abuse the public purse, use the power of the presidency to restore fiscal responsibility, and exercise the veto pen to enforce it.

Stop the revolving door and restore ethics
HERE

AND

Education:
John McCain believes our schools can and should compete to be the most innovative, flexible and student-centered - not safe havens for the uninspired and unaccountable. He believes we should let them compete for the most effective, character-building teachers, hire them, and reward them.

If a school will not change, the students should be able to change schools. John McCain believes parents should be empowered with school choice to send their children to the school that can best educate them just as many members of Congress do with their own children. He finds it beyond hypocritical that many of those who would refuse to allow public school parents to choose their child's school would never agree to force their own children into a school that did not work or was unsafe. They can make another choice. John McCain believes that is a fundamental and essential right we should honor for all parents.
As president, John McCain will pursue reforms that address the underlying cultural problems in our education system - a system that still seeks to avoid genuine accountability and responsibility for producing well-educated children.
John McCain will place parents and children at the center of the education process, empowering parents by greatly expanding the ability of parents to choose among schools for their children. He believes all federal financial support must be predicated on providing parents the ability to move their children, and the dollars associated with them, from failing schools.
HERE

Julius, Great Post!!



wing2000 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 7:38:20 PM)

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Why hasn't anyone told him he's not qualified to be our commander in chief, leader of the free world? I think part of it is because there are some white folks who are scared to say a black man isn't qualified for something even if he clearly isn't. Lots of folks have no problem talking about how dumb and incompetent W. Bush is, but you can't say that about Obama or Hillary.


....President Bush has demonstrated he was not qualified to be commander n chief (I don't think he is dumb, just rather naive and is loyal to a fault). He has started a war that should never have been fought. He has sent our troops into a country with no exit strategy. He has tasked our military with "nation-building" a country that will take decades to rebuild (and even then, the outcome is very uncertain). In short, his administration has thumbed it's nose at every military lesson we have learned over the last half centry...and look at the results.

IMO, John McCain would not have taken us to war with Iraq. I think he would have listened to the wise counsel of people like Colin Powell, Brent Snowcroft and others....instead of the likes of Richard Pearle, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and the rest of the neo-cons who were pushing for this unnecessary war. I am very disappointed by McCain stance stating we must stay for the long term. I think it's a mistake and am it infuraiates me to see American blood sacrificed for a "country" that to date, shows no semblance of a unified nation state. It's a black hole that will continue to drain our military.

As for Obama? Yes, he is inexperienced...but not any less so than some of our other former Presidents -- including the current one (at least in foreign policy). I have no doubt he will surround himself with better advisors than GWB has.... I also give Obama credit for opposing this war in 2002 when it was not politically expedient to do so (he was running for Congress at the time). It's no accident that the likes of former Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia has endorsed him.

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In a just released statement, Nunn said Obama “will have the sound judgment to put together an outstanding governing team, bringing people together across old boundaries.”

“My own role in this campaign will be as an advisor - particularly in the field of national security and foreign policy,” Nunn said.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/04/18/sam_nunn_lines_up_behind_barac.html




Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 8:43:14 PM)

I still clearly remember the little fit McCain had when he lost that nomination. No I wil not endorse you I want to be president. BUt he is clearly better then the double D's fighting it out



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 8:47:12 PM)

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As for Obama? Yes, he is inexperienced...but not any less so than some of our other former Presidents -- including the current one (at least in foreign policy). I have no doubt he will surround himself with better advisors than GWB has.... I also give Obama credit for opposing this war in 2002 when it was not politically expedient to do so (he was running for Congress at the time).


Obama – 7 years Illinois state senate, 4 years U.S. Senator

GW Bush – Six years Governor of Texas

Clinton – Arkansas Atty. General 2 years, Ark. Gov. 12 years.

G. H. W. Bush - Held a multitude of political positions, including Reagan’s Vice-President. Need we even go there?

Ronald Reagan – Eight years Gov. of California

Jimmy Carter – Two terms in Georgia Senate; Gov. of Georgia 4 years.

Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower?

Even if we, for arguments sake, say that being a state legislator is the equivalent of being Governor of a major state, the only one who is close to having less experience than Obama is our current President. But you said "some", so who else?

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I have no doubt he will surround himself with better advisors than GWB has....


Ummm. So far we've met one of his "advisors". His spritual advisor. Who he didn't listen to all the time, or so he says.

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I also give Obama credit for opposing this war in 2002 when it was not politically expedient to do so


Also, it was not politically inexpedient to oppose the war either - especially someone running for the Ill. STATE congress in a liberal district. Just like it was probably politically expedient to join Trinity Church when he was representing that district.

- Julius



wing2000 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 9:14:45 PM)

I wrote:
As for Obama? Yes, he is inexperienced...but not any less so than some of our other former Presidents -- including the current one (at least in foreign policy).

Of the following, only G. H. W. Bush, Nixon had signficant foreign policy experience.

GW Bush – Six years Governor of Texas

Clinton – Arkansas Atty. General 2 years, Ark. Gov. 12 years.

G. H. W. Bush - Held a multitude of political positions, including Reagan’s Vice-President. Need we even go there?

Ronald Reagan – Eight years Gov. of California

Jimmy Carter – Two terms in Georgia Senate; Gov. of Georgia 4 years.

Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower?

______

Yes, Obama lacks executive experience...but so does McCain and Clinton.



rcjames -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 9:18:04 PM)

He may not feel so lucky when the left wing attack machines goes after him, you know Soros and company.

They will attack his age, his patriotism, and everything else.

Thanks
RC



henny -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 10:50:21 PM)

I don't think McCain will have it so easy. He's basically been out of the lime light and taking very little real criticism, while Clinton and Obama are ripping each other to shreds, yet in all national polls I've seen in Match ups between McCain and either Clinton or Obama they are usually statistically tied.

The latest poll I saw, released today, has both Clinton and Obama ahead by a slight margin (albeit not a statistically significant one):

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There were a few bright spots in the new poll for the Clinton campaign. Among all registered voters, including Republicans, she did about as well as Obama against McCain. Obama bests McCain by 4 points (48 percent to 44 percent), and Clinton also wins by 4 points (47 to 43 percent). Neither lead is considered statistically significant. However, in a race against McCain, Obama gets more independent support than Clinton does.


http://www.newsweek.com/id/132721

The same poll showed that while Obama's "favorable" ratings have decreased nationally, and his "unfavorable" ratings have increased, he still beats McCain in both categories (and Obama has had a comparatively much tougher past couple months than McCain).

Of course, I don't think McCain has "taken off his gloves" yet as he seems to be biding his time to see who comes out on top before he engages either candidates much, so maybe once he actually enters the fray he'll have an easier time, but right now I think it's anyone's game.



TomTurn -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 10:56:47 PM)

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I still clearly remember the little fit McCain had when he lost that nomination.


And the fit he had when Americans and legal residents demanded the border be much more controlled and those in the U.S. illegally have enough pressure put on them to self deport.



TomTurn -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 11:00:28 PM)

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John McCain is the luckiest man in the world


He married a woman 20 years younger and she is rich from the family beer business. You might say he is lucky.



lightshineon -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 11:05:16 PM)

.Yeah, she is pretty good looking too.
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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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John McCain is the luckiest man in the world


He married a woman 20 years younger and she is rich from the family beer business. You might say he is lucky.



inthysite -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 11:24:33 PM)

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The latest poll I saw, released today, has both Clinton and Obama ahead by a slight margin (albeit not a statistically significant one):


The problem with the polls right now, and both Republican and Democratic strategists agree on this, is that voters opinions are different in the primaries than they are in the general election and most polling data right now is irrelevant.

These polls do not take into account the fact that a significant percentage of both Obama and Clinton supporters say that they will vote for McCain if their candidate does not get the nomination.

Add to that the fact that Hillary is still determined to take this to the convention and a lot more damage can/will be done between now and then.

Finally, even the media has seemed to turn on him, no more easy questions, no more passes. They are starting to dig into his past, his policies, his morals and ideals. A Democratic run debate called him on his policy of raising the capital gains tax and Barack looked lost.



wing2000 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 11:30:46 PM)

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John McCain is the luckiest man in the world



He married a woman 20 years younger and she is rich from the family beer business. You might say he is lucky.
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Yes, he didn't do too bad...marrying a woman reportedly worth $100 million.



wing2000 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 11:32:31 PM)

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The problem with the polls right now, and both Republican and Democratic strategists agree on this, is that voters opinions are different in the primaries than they are in the general election and most polling data right now is irrelevant.

These polls do not take into account the fact that a significant percentage of both Obama and Clinton supporters say that they will vote for McCain if their candidate does not get the nomination.


...agreed. And until the conventions are over, I don't put much stock in the national polls.



henny -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 11:33:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: saved9201
Why hasn't anyone told him he's not qualified to be our commander in chief, leader of the free world? I think part of it is because there are some white folks who are scared to say a black man isn't qualified for something even if he clearly isn't. Lots of folks have no problem talking about how dumb and incompetent W. Bush is, but you can't say that about Obama or Hillary. Calling a black person incompetent and unqualified is just like calling him the "n" word, everybody knows that. And calling a dumb blond a dumb blond is sexist. So it's safer to come up with other reasons so you won't have to deal with the real issue here. That even though both Obama and Hillary went to Ivy League schools, they're both just plain stupid.


I don't buy this whole inverse racism, "no one wants to criticize Obama because he's black" argument. Have you watched the news or read these forums lately? It's been open season the past couple months. I don't think anyone can make the case that people are terrified of criticizing him for fear of being labeled racist anymore.

Plus much of the criticism has been centered, albeit in a round about fashion, in some way on his race. His critics continually bring it up in a diffused way that allows them to stay within the realm of PC, yet still push certain buttons (and there's rarely a thread about him on this forum where the issue doesn't come up, so I have a hard time believing people are handling him with kid gloves).



henny -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/18/2008 11:39:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud
That may be one of the most astute analysis of the election I have seen to date, in any venue.


If "They are both just plain stupid" qualifies as astute analysis now, I think we are all in trouble.



ljmac -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 12:05:23 AM)

None of these people running for president are dumb. They're quite smart, not as brilliant as some say they are, but ceratainly not dumb. Most of their failings I see as character flaws.

Obama's stinginess, his snobby attitude toward people from small towns, his following of a guy who hates America, being friends with an American terrorist, these are all character flaws. They're also important to the election because we're electing a leader and leaders ought to have a firm foundation. Obama does not.

Same thing for Clinton. She's done some pretty nasty things, many of them associated with either greed (Whitewater) or digging up dirt on her husband's sexual conquests. These are character flaws, not intelligence concerns.

McCain's advantage is Vietnam. He built up a stockpile of IOU's. He's shown a strength of character that neither Democrat can even come close to. This isn't to say he's perfect, he's far from it. But he's demonstrated virtue that few people have.



Lizahana -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 12:17:10 AM)

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Why hasn't anyone told him he's not qualified to be our commander in chief, leader of the free world? I think part of it is because there are some white folks who are scared to say a black man isn't qualified for something even if he clearly isn't. Lots of folks have no problem talking about how dumb and incompetent W. Bush is, but you can't say that about Obama or Hillary. Calling a black person incompetent and unqualified is just like calling him the "n" word, everybody knows that. And calling a dumb blond a dumb blond is sexist. So it's safer to come up with other reasons so you won't have to deal with the real issue here. That even though both Obama and Hillary went to Ivy League schools, they're both just plain stupid.


Well, I think you're wrong- by 180 degrees, IMHO. I think people are following Obama for the very opposite reason, Julius. People are sick of the 'old guard' in DC - they are sick of 'experience' that has led to the mess we're in right now, and rightly so. And by mess - I mean a whole list of things - the Iraq war; the 40+ million people without healthcare; inactivity in preventing global warming - a cause that has the HUGE potential of bringing the world together for a common good.

And the people that have the 'political experience' - the 'old guard' - these are the people that decided to rush to war; to not ratify Kyoto; to ignore the 40+ million who are without healthcare (with the exception of Hillary - irregardless of how you feel about her - you have to give her that). So no - people are following Obama because he is NOT a DC insider - his lack of experience is a good thing in the minds of many I talk to. There needs to be big change - and if you have 'experience' (like McCain and Hillary) - well, good luck to you - because what has your DC 'experience' done? Well - bingo - it's gotten us into the aforementioned mess.

Peace and God bless,



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 2:45:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: henny

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ORIGINAL: saved9201
Why hasn't anyone told him he's not qualified to be our commander in chief, leader of the free world? I think part of it is because there are some white folks who are scared to say a black man isn't qualified for something even if he clearly isn't. Lots of folks have no problem talking about how dumb and incompetent W. Bush is, but you can't say that about Obama or Hillary. Calling a black person incompetent and unqualified is just like calling him the "n" word, everybody knows that. And calling a dumb blond a dumb blond is sexist. So it's safer to come up with other reasons so you won't have to deal with the real issue here. That even though both Obama and Hillary went to Ivy League schools, they're both just plain stupid.


I don't buy this whole inverse racism, "no one wants to criticize Obama because he's black" argument. Have you watched the news or read these forums lately? It's been open season the past couple months. I don't think anyone can make the case that people are terrified of criticizing him for fear of being labeled racist anymore.

Plus much of the criticism has been centered, albeit in a round about fashion, in some way on his race. His critics continually bring it up in a diffused way that allows them to stay within the realm of PC, yet still push certain buttons (and there's rarely a thread about him on this forum where the issue doesn't come up, so I have a hard time believing people are handling him with kid gloves).


I don't think you got my point.
I'm not saying people are afraid to criticize him because he's black. I'm saying that people don't want to question his competence, knowledge, and intelligence because that's just a sensitive area. It's kind of hard to explain this late at night, but it goes back to the common stereotypes some people want to avoid - lazy, stupid, uppity - and there are no doubt some who would pounce if someone dared question Obama's knowledge or competence. These fringe issues like his relationship with his preacher are actually easier to attack him with without being branded a racist. Look, there are still people who act mesmerized just because the guy doesn't speak in ebonics. But that's just my opinion.

- Julius



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