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saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 2:53:39 AM)

Yeah, I called them stupid. Here's a definition from the online dictionary:

1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes

Slow to learn? Obama sat in a church for 20 years before he realized his preacher was a moron. Hillary is probably just now finding out that people in Bosnia have video cameras too.

So if they're not stupid, then the only other answer is they think WE are.

I think we've seen evidence of the second definition from both on the campaign trail.

- Julius



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 3:00:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana

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Why hasn't anyone told him he's not qualified to be our commander in chief, leader of the free world? I think part of it is because there are some white folks who are scared to say a black man isn't qualified for something even if he clearly isn't. Lots of folks have no problem talking about how dumb and incompetent W. Bush is, but you can't say that about Obama or Hillary. Calling a black person incompetent and unqualified is just like calling him the "n" word, everybody knows that. And calling a dumb blond a dumb blond is sexist. So it's safer to come up with other reasons so you won't have to deal with the real issue here. That even though both Obama and Hillary went to Ivy League schools, they're both just plain stupid.


Well, I think you're wrong- by 180 degrees, IMHO. I think people are following Obama for the very opposite reason, Julius. People are sick of the 'old guard' in DC - they are sick of 'experience' that has led to the mess we're in right now, and rightly so. And by mess - I mean a whole list of things - the Iraq war; the 40+ million people without healthcare; inactivity in preventing global warming - a cause that has the HUGE potential of bringing the world together for a common good.

And the people that have the 'political experience' - the 'old guard' - these are the people that decided to rush to war; to not ratify Kyoto; to ignore the 40+ million who are without healthcare (with the exception of Hillary - irregardless of how you feel about her - you have to give her that). So no - people are following Obama because he is NOT a DC insider - his lack of experience is a good thing in the minds of many I talk to. There needs to be big change - and if you have 'experience' (like McCain and Hillary) - well, good luck to you - because what has your DC 'experience' done? Well - bingo - it's gotten us into the aforementioned mess.

Peace and God bless,


I don't think I even addressed why people are following him. Hey, I'll admit I "sipped" the Kool Aid myself.



lightshineon -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 10:26:26 AM)

They follow him for a myrid of reasons. 1. Some people of color, think that this a wonderful thing. Which in one way you cannot blame them, it is time for a person of color to be president. Just, not Obama. There are, and will be the right person, who will do a great job. 2. The Media, has promoted this man unfairly, trying to be PC. 3. He has great charm, and people want change, no matter where the change may lead. 4. People will buy anything in a pretty package. Wrap a present pretty enough, with a room full of people picking gifts. Guess which gift gets picked first? The one in the pretty paper. Inside is Mr. Potato Head, and inside the gift wrapped in news print is an IPOD.5. Lots of kids 18-23 of all races want him, because they do not know better, they really have not lived long enough to know a flim flam man. And still like Kool-Aide (YUCK) 6. They wrote an Obama chant, and a very pretty girl, with short, shorts, sang of her love for him, and become famous on You Tube.



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 11:07:27 AM)

LOL Yep you hit the nail on the head.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201

Yeah, I called them stupid. Here's a definition from the online dictionary:

1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes

Slow to learn? Obama sat in a church for 20 years before he realized his preacher was a moron. Hillary is probably just now finding out that people in Bosnia have video cameras too.

So if they're not stupid, then the only other answer is they think WE are.

I think we've seen evidence of the second definition from both on the campaign trail.

- Julius



LivingParadox -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 11:09:38 AM)

McCain lucky?

On a Christian board can we really attribute anything to luck?

Now whether there is providence in McCain's campaign, we'll see in November.

(And if we're talking "luck" in the election process so far -- McCain hasn't been the only "lucky" candidate to get this far)



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 11:21:45 AM)

Thinking about it more, I probably went overboard calling Obama and Clinton "stupid". They've done some stupid things on the campaign trail, and I'll leave it at that. Somebody said those indicate "character flaws", but even then, if you're smart enough, you're able to recognize that and cover them up.

But the fact remains John McCain is lucky.
Before this campaign season started, the republicans were dead in the water. Bad economy, high gas prices, unpopular war. But the GOP had to nominate somebody, but who woulda thunk that out of Rudy Guiliani, Fred Thompson, Huckabee, Ron Paul, and Mitt Romney, John McCain would be the one who survived? Actually, I think some of those guys may have recognized that ANY republican in this election year was dead meat, so why not sacrifice the old guy instead of risking an up and comer getting clobbered? Meanwhile, the democrats probably had no idea that young fella from Illinois would put up such a fight against Her Highness. So now Obama and Clinton ended up exposing each other as "not ready for prime time." Yeah, I heard about the left planning on spending millions to smear McCain. But guess what? The GOP can save their money. They can just rerun Obama's (or Hillary's) "greatest bloopers and blunders".

-Julius



tracydolls -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 11:35:43 AM)

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I will admit, that I thought Obama had potential, but I talked to my 84 year old aunt recently, a veteran of the civil rights movement, and asked her what she thought of Obama. She said she's listened to his speeches and he says absolutely nothing. She wasn't impressed by his "race" speech and believes it's an insult to compare that speech to the one MLK gave in D.C. She says he came from out of nowhere and she's was very suspicious of him from the start. That response surprised me because I thought she would be proud to say she lived to see a black president. But obviously, he's not the guy.



I have a huge family, none of them really like Obama from the oldest of 84 to the youngest.

I asked why, some of the reasons, my father who is from Louisiana and 71 said something is just not right about him. Most doubt is he a Christian, another older aunt was like they are going to kill him. I don't want that to happen so I'm not going to vote for him. Most of us did not know who he was, we're Hillary supporters. Of course none of us like her now.

So it's Mccain if we vote.



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 1:17:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

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I will admit, that I thought Obama had potential, but I talked to my 84 year old aunt recently, a veteran of the civil rights movement, and asked her what she thought of Obama. She said she's listened to his speeches and he says absolutely nothing. She wasn't impressed by his "race" speech and believes it's an insult to compare that speech to the one MLK gave in D.C. She says he came from out of nowhere and she's was very suspicious of him from the start. That response surprised me because I thought she would be proud to say she lived to see a black president. But obviously, he's not the guy.



I have a huge family, none of them really like Obama from the oldest of 84 to the youngest.

I asked why, some of the reasons, my father who is from Louisiana and 71 said something is just not right about him. Most doubt is he a Christian, another older aunt was like they are going to kill him. I don't want that to happen so I'm not going to vote for him. Most of us did not know who he was, we're Hillary supporters. Of course none of us like her now.

So it's Mccain if we vote.


Just like some people can't tell you why they like him, some people can't tell you why they don't.

- Julius



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 2:46:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox

McCain lucky?

On a Christian board can we really attribute anything to luck?




Good question. Probably deserving of it's own thread.



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 4:58:28 PM)

At one time I thought Obama would be better then McCain. Not any more!! The more I hear about him the more I am scared.



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/19/2008 8:49:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 2monkeysmom

At one time I thought Obama would be better then McCain. Not any more!! The more I hear about him the more I am scared.


I actually think Obama is a real nice guy. I am totally against how he was demonized and villified here and elsewhere. I don't agree that he has serious character flaws. I just think he doesn't know any better. I never believed he was a racist, anti-American, anti-smalltownfolks, etc. I also believe he didn't know exactly what Rev. Wright was all about while he was a member of that church. I know everybody is saying, "aww come on". Well, first of all, I don't think he went to church that often and second, I think if Wright did say something crazy while he was there, it probably just went over his head and/or, he really had no clue some people would have a problem with some of Wright's rantings. I'm pretty sure his "handlers" have just about had it with him. Folks, if and when he gets the democratic nomination and has to answer questions other than about his preacher or people he knows, the world will know he's not the shiniest piece of silver in the drawer. Bush had his dad, Hillary has her hubby to keep her straight (as strange as that sounds). Who does Obama have? His wife? His preacher? The first piece of advice he should have been given is, WAIT. Wait until you've actually done something and wait until you can prepare yourself for the national political scene. Watch and learn, they should have told him.

- Julius



stamper_ben -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/20/2008 12:04:55 AM)

On most of the issue they are three peas in a pod.

But one. It came to my attention that Obama is the only one of the three to say out loud more than once (and not retract it when given the chance) that it doesn't matter what Pakistan thinks about our going after a criminal in the form of Osama bin Laden, it will happen if he is Commander in Chief.

That sways my thinking depending on who Micky C chooses as his VP. If he comes up with a Joe Lieberman (which I doubt as he is having enough trouble with the GOP base) or anyone who doesn't have solid conservative credentials, then if the Dems pick Obama I'm thinking strongly of making my X by a Democrat mane for the first time in many elections.



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/20/2008 12:28:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

On most of the issue they are three peas in a pod.

But one. It came to my attention that Obama is the only one of the three to say out loud more than once (and not retract it when given the chance) that it doesn't matter what Pakistan thinks about our going after a criminal in the form of Osama bin Laden, it will happen if he is Commander in Chief.

That sways my thinking depending on who Micky C chooses as his VP. If he comes up with a Joe Lieberman (which I doubt as he is having enough trouble with the GOP base) or anyone who doesn't have solid conservative credentials, then if the Dems pick Obama I'm thinking strongly of making my X by a Democrat mane for the first time in many elections.


Let me be the first to say, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but hey, it's your vote.

- Julius



stamper_ben -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/21/2008 8:34:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: saved9201

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

On most of the issue they are three peas in a pod.

But one. It came to my attention that Obama is the only one of the three to say out loud more than once (and not retract it when given the chance) that it doesn't matter what Pakistan thinks about our going after a criminal in the form of Osama bin Laden, it will happen if he is Commander in Chief.

That sways my thinking depending on who Micky C chooses as his VP. If he comes up with a Joe Lieberman (which I doubt as he is having enough trouble with the GOP base) or anyone who doesn't have solid conservative credentials, then if the Dems pick Obama I'm thinking strongly of making my X by a Democrat mane for the first time in many elections.


Let me be the first to say, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but hey, it's your vote.

- Julius

Let's see if I can clarify this for you Julius...

If I have a choice between Tweedle Dee and Twiddle Dum, I'm going to vote for the one who will at least go get OBL - DEPENDING upon who the Twiddle with the "R" behind his name chooses for VP.

Did that help?



phreddy -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/21/2008 10:05:17 AM)

One thing that has to be taken into consideration is that Hillary and Obama, once the primaries are over, are going to have major politcal machines in a lot of states that McCain has barely any presence. In Indiana for instance, McCain has visited the state once. Hillary and Obama a have both spent considerable time there and have active organizations. How many electoral votes are those organizations worth? I hope he is taking advanatge of this calm before the storm to get his support in place because once the demcratic primary is over they are all going to be gunning for him.



ken1906_4 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/21/2008 11:18:44 AM)

Well you know...I guess I have the reputation of speaking out against the many false stereotypes, and misconceptions many have on this board when it comes to the African American community even with me defending Obama on many occasions. This election cycle has show a lot of the good qualities of America and the bad. With the bad I have seen the reemergence of the southern strategy, I seen the use of McCarthyism, the idea that there are no permanent friends or enemies just permanent interest and of course the belief that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. With the good, I have seen people more involved in the political process. Some people are thinking, some people are listening, some people are researching and not blindly following a candidate because of political affiliation. It's been a fascinating and equally disappointing build up to achieving the highest office in the land. With that being said a part of me agrees with Julius as it relates to senator Obama. Honestly, it would be refreshing to have someone not from the old guard to run this country, but I have a feeling that Senator Obama may not be that person. Of course he's getting pounded by stuff not relating to issues and he has addressed them well. Unfortunately, when it comes down to the issues, I have some concerns (not fear) about his ability to address those issues when (if) he gets into office. I don't want to be accused of underestimating, under valuing and marginalizing senator Obama's efforts to seek the white house because he has done a fantastic job, but he may not be the right fit right now.

Is Senator McCain lucky? That's debatable, but I think he is in a good position to take it all. I know that Senator McCain, his campaign, and the rest of the GOP are probably licking their chops and ready to pounce on who ever come out of the democratic convention. More than likely the democratic nominee is going to be so damage from this heated race that both may end up being unelectable in November.


Now, don’t get it twisted McCain is not the best candidate either. I think he is going keep in line with the status quo and continue America’s walk down the road of other fallen empires. Who ever wins the White House there is still going to be some tough days ahead and in the end, guess who suffers, the citizens of America. We have put so much faith in our political affiliations and their so-called platforms that we are blind to the fact that both are one in the same with one agenda, power. Those on capital hill and the white house, they are suppose to work for and represent us, but many of these politicians/corporatist/elitist only will listen to the corporations that’s lining their pockets and represent their (corporations) interest instead of ours.



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/21/2008 10:57:32 PM)

I saw something interesting over the weekend that made me think. The governor of Pennsylvania, a Clinton supporter, was asked by a commentator if he thought that Hillary downing "a shot and a beer" in a PA bar with the fellas was "real". He replied something to the effect of, "Of course, she's from Arkansas, she knows what a shot and a beer is being from Arkansas."
Now I thought about what if Obama had made that statement. That people from Arkansas know what a shot and a beer was. Next thing you know, the spin doctors would be claiming the entire state of Arkansas was offended by Obama's remarks. "In other words, EVERYBODY in Arkansas is a bunch of ignorant, drunk, moonshining hillbillies," they would glean from the innocent remarks.
Yes, I've defended him although I don't think he has what it takes to be president. But why does it seem people aren't content to prove he's not qualified to be president, they want to demonize, villify and strike fear into the hearts of voters who don't share their views.
First there was his name. Sounds Muslim. Could be. Rhymes with Osama, same middle name as Sadaam. Next, there was the assertion that because he didn't wear a lapel flag pin, he's anti-American. Let's pursue that further. Let's go to his church. Ah Hah! His preacher, where he went EVERY Sunday for 20 years, is anti-American, AND anti-white, so that means, so is Obama! And his wife, she's never been proud of this great country of ours, she's anti-American too. Obama also went to the Million Man March, organized by anti-semite, Farrakhan. And then theres William Ayers, an admitted, unrepentent terrorist who is a "friend"of his. Now he claims white people (he didn't say that, but y'all are convinced that's what he meant) are bitter and they cling to guns and religion. Now add all this up and what do you have? A suspected Muslim who's anti-American, anti-white, anti-gun, anti-semitic, a Marxist, with terrorist connections, who wants to be president. Why? ISN'T IT OBVIOUS? HE WANTS TO BRING THIS COUNTRY DOWN!!! TEAR IT APART FROM WITHIN!!!! BUAAAAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAA!!! HE MUST BE DESTROYED!!! BE AFRAID..BE VERY AFRAID!!!
It's bordering on the ridiculous, it really is. Tell me, has anyone ever seen any candidate demonized, feared and hated on these boards as much as Obama? I don't think Satan himself has gotten this much villification here at CW. Sean Hannity, a conservative talks about him non-stop. It's like a daily hate fest on his show. Every day he's been dragging in "guests" to hate on Obama. Enough already! I'm beginning to think some people are trying to teach him a lesson for trying to reach too high too soon.

But he hasn't quit. Not yet. And I'm beginning to believe that as long as people keep bringing up stupid stuff, he'll never have to answer specific tough questions about how he plans to implement his agenda. And if the right insists on dealing with the stupid stuff with Obama, then they'll have to deal with the stupid stuff with McCain. Like how his wife got hooked on drugs she stole from a relief effort she was supporting. I'm sure there's more. Anyway, McCain's been lucky so far.

- Julius



lightshineon -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/21/2008 11:00:44 PM)

Well Julius, these things are a bit disturbing.



wing2000 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/21/2008 11:19:29 PM)

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But why does it seem people aren't content to prove he's not qualified to be president, they want to demonize, villify and strike fear into the hearts of voters who don't share their views.


...I've been wondering the same thing for some time now.

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And I'm beginning to believe that as long as people keep bringing up stupid stuff, he'll never have to answer specific tough questions about how he plans to implement his agenda. And if the right insists on dealing with the stupid stuff with Obama, then they'll have to deal with the stupid stuff with McCain.


...yea, it's going to be a long time until November :(



Random -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/22/2008 6:10:58 AM)

If McCain is so lucky, why is he trailing in virtually every poll?



P31W -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/22/2008 8:08:52 AM)

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I know everybody is saying, "aww come on". Well, first of all, I don't think he went to church that often and second, I think if Wright did say something crazy while he was there, it probably just went over his head and/or, he really had no clue some people would have a problem with some of Wright's rantings.


You do know that to be a member of that church he, his wife and then his children HAD (as in manditory) certain classes that taught them both black history AND the Chruch doctrine. That doctrine is Cones Black Liberation Theology. He could not have "missed" what they were teaching.

Also if say you believe "he" did not take those classes and allowed his children to be baptised and take those classes do you think he is really a "wise man"?

As a white person if what Wright was saying and teachings all those 20 years went "right over his head"...... LOL .... then I don't think Harvard Law School is a worth spit.

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Folks, if and when he gets the democratic nomination and has to answer questions other than about his preacher


It's not about his "preacher" ....... it's about his FAITH....... that FAITH he says effects his morals, values and worldview.

Don't try to pretent that it's ONLY about some preacher either. This is a man who HE CLAIMS is his spiritural mentor...... as in "faith".... and he believed his spiritural mentor's teaching SO MUCH that he joined his church, had his wife join the church and now his children are baptised into THAT DOCTRINE......

Come on. It's about what HE CLAIMS EFFECTS HIS WORLD VIEW...

Yes the worldview of a President is very important and is a foundational issue.

Now here is a VERY PUBLIC snippet of what Obama and his family say is part of their faith, value system and worldview. It's easy enough for even their daughters to find in their church and understand.

Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.



davemiller7 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/22/2008 1:43:52 PM)

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Of the following, only G. H. W. Bush, Nixon had signficant foreign policy experience.


Only a comment, but Eisenhower had lots of foreign policy experience. (World War II, anyone?)

-Dave



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/22/2008 2:20:09 PM)

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Come on. It's about what HE CLAIMS EFFECTS HIS WORLD VIEW...

Yes the worldview of a President is very important and is a foundational issue.

Now here is a VERY PUBLIC snippet of what Obama and his family say is part of their faith, value system and worldview. It's easy enough for even their daughters to find in their church and understand.

Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.


Oh my!

-Julius



P31W -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/22/2008 5:21:22 PM)

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Oh my!


I view this like the KKK member who claims they don't really believe what their Klan teaches and voters who are willing to defend him/her when they say that.



saved9201 -> RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world (4/22/2008 6:06:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: P31W

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Oh my!


I view this like the KKK member who claims they don't really believe what their Klan teaches and voters who are willing to defend him/her when they say that.


Obama's church is like the KKK? Only a "black kkk"? Oh my!
They lynch, kidnap and terrorize white people there? Oh my!
They've bombed white churches and killed white children? Oh my!
They've been federally investigated like the Klan? Oh my!
Rev., er, Imperial Wizard Wright hates white people and has preached that blacks are superior? Oh my!

If all that's true, then I guess you white folks need to get out and vote or else...Oh but wait...if Obama's church is like the KKK, that means they're going to have "black liberation riders" out terrorizing white folks trying to keep them from voting. Oh my!

Be afraid! Be verrrrrrrrry afraid! The ObamaNation cometh.

- Julius



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