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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/22/2008 7:49:29 PM
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lightshineon
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This thread seems double minded.
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/23/2008 7:47:41 AM
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P31W
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Obama's church is like the KKK? Only a "black kkk"? Oh my!
They lynch, kidnap and terrorize white people there? Oh my!
They've bombed white churches and killed white children? Oh my!
They've been federally investigated like the Klan? Oh my!
Rev., er, Imperial Wizard Wright hates white people and has preached that blacks are superior? Oh my!
If all that's true, then I guess you white folks need to get out and vote or else...Oh but wait...if Obama's church is like the KKK, that means they're going to have "black liberation riders" out terrorizing white folks trying to keep them from voting. Oh my!
Be afraid! Be verrrrrrrrry afraid! The ObamaNation cometh.
- Julius
Not all klans were involved in the types of activity you listed above. In fact it was only a small number and of those Klans that became violent only a small number in the actual klan were violent. Many of the white folks who found themselves in a Klan that was involved in violence was afraid to leave once the violence began because they were threatened.
And if you know anything about Cones and Rev. Wright YES they do advocate violence!!!!! Currently however they do not advocate it "yet" although many in the BLT movement "do" advocate it NOW. At any time a "small group" of people in that group can began to carry out the violence and you will discover just as those in the Klan that if you try to "leave" the group - you will be a target because you know too much and would be considered a trader.
That's the type of Chruch Obama has chosen to align himself with. (remember according to Obama's chruch they are tired of the "white man's god" who teaches love your enemies and turn the other cheek.
Now you may try to dismiss Obama's involvement with this group. But the FACT is he is a member. A 20 year member.
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white folks need to get out and vote or else
It's not "white folks" ..... it's Christians who have no blinders on. It's Christians who realize that Obama and his church teach another gospel message and it involved hate. Not of just 'white folks" but of anyone who disagrees with THEIR BELIEFS OR TRIES TO INTERFERE WITH THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA.
Remember Obama's chruch teachs that one cannot be a follower of Christ and not be involved in politics in the way "they teach' one should be involved in it.
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/23/2008 6:35:33 PM
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saved9201
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P31W
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Not all klans were involved in the types of activity you listed above. In fact it was only a small number and of those Klans that became violent only a small number in the actual klan were violent. Many of the white folks who found themselves in a Klan that was involved in violence was afraid to leave once the violence began because they were threatened.
And if you know anything about Cones and Rev. Wright YES they do advocate violence!!!!! Currently however they do not advocate it "yet" although many in the BLT movement "do" advocate it NOW. At any time a "small group" of people in that group can began to carry out the violence and you will discover just as those in the Klan that if you try to "leave" the group - you will be a target because you know too much and would be considered a trader.
That's the type of Chruch Obama has chosen to align himself with. (remember according to Obama's chruch they are tired of the "white man's god" who teaches love your enemies and turn the other cheek.
Now you may try to dismiss Obama's involvement with this group. But the FACT is he is a member. A 20 year member.
Gasp! Oh my! About how much time do you think white people have before Adolph Wright and his stormtroopers begin their blitzkrieg through America?
- Julius
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/23/2008 6:56:34 PM
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Jhud
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Julius is right of course; however obnoxious, ignorant and hateful Rev. Wright may be, his church ain't the black version of the Klan.
Those comparisons (like Nazism) should be reserved for the worst of the worst.
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“I mean to live my life an obedient man, but obedient to God, subservient to the wisdom of my ancestors; never to the authority of political truths arrived at yesterday at the voting booth”
William F. Buckley Jr. 1925-2008
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/23/2008 10:27:54 PM
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lightshineon
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I disagee, the Klan makes hateful statements, Wright makes the same types of statements. What if he has made some members of his church, hurt white people from anger. If it has not happened it will. Both the white Klan, and black Klan are ugly, and unGodly. What Wright did is just hateful, and wrong, and racist. It is not a joking matter, it has divided the body of Christ, into racial catogories.
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Julius is right of course; however obnoxious, ignorant and hateful Rev. Wright may be, his church ain't the black version of the Klan.
Those comparisons (like Nazism) should be reserved for the worst of the worst.
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007
Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/23/2008 11:02:27 PM
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Jhud
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I disagee, the Klan makes hateful statements, Wright makes the same types of statements. What if he has made some members of his church, hurt white people from anger. If it has not happened it will. Both the white Klan, and black Klan are ugly, and unGodly. What Wright did is just hateful, and wrong, and racist. It is not a joking matter, it has divided the body of Christ, into racial catogories.
Oh, I absolutely beleive what he has said is wrong, hateful, racist, and serious.
But in all due respect lightshineon, he didn't organise a national group to disenfranchise whites through intimidation, terrorism, and murder; and we need to be accurate in our descriptions not because such a thing might disparage Wright, but because it lessens what the Klan actually did.
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“I mean to live my life an obedient man, but obedient to God, subservient to the wisdom of my ancestors; never to the authority of political truths arrived at yesterday at the voting booth”
William F. Buckley Jr. 1925-2008
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/24/2008 1:16:07 AM
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Agreed. We can show our disgust at Wright for being what he is, a raw and nasty racist, and in no way born again. But we can also use him as an example of how hate can destroy a man. When my grandson came to me and asked me, "why does that man hate white people?" I used it as an opportunity to gently explain how Satan can twist people into terrible things, and only Jesus' love can untwist them.
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/24/2008 7:50:05 AM
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P31W
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"What we need is the divine love as expressed in
black power, which is
the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors,
here and now, by any and all means at their disposal"
[James Cone, A Black Theology of Liberation, p. 70]
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Julius is right of course; however obnoxious, ignorant and hateful Rev. Wright may be, his church ain't the black version of the Klan.
I am not looking at "one church". I am looking at Obama's faith. That faith is Black Liberation Theology "if" we are to believe him. (page 2 post 46 of this thread)
Just because they have not been as "successful" in their mission "to date" as the Klan was in there's makes it no less comparable. The Klan had their faith and Obama (BLT) has his.
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Again this is about Obama's faith. That faith he says effects his "morals, values and worldview".
Faith
Meaning #1: (Christianity) any of the sections into which a creed or other statement of doctrine is divided
Meaning #2: an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence
(conviction or strong belief)
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/24/2008 6:45:01 PM
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saved9201
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I'm not defending the Black Liberation Church. I just know from experience (I've actually attended a service by the current pastor of Trinity, Otis Moss, III, when he was pastor at a baptist church in Augusta, GA.) that it's simply another one of those "gimmick" forms of Christianity that appeals to those with "itching ears." Sadly, the black community is full of preachers, maybe not as radical as Wright, but certainly not willing to tell people the truth that in most instances, it's their negative behavior and sinful lifestyle that is the source of their troubles and not the "oppressor." Obama claims he doesn't agree with some of Wright's more outlandish statements, but I'm concerned about the young men and young women in his church who do believe these crazy rantings. These people are being taught that their sin is not their fault. The government invented Aids, saturated the black community with drugs and created a system that encourages young black men and women have unprotected, uninhibited sex and for the men who impregnate them to abandon them and their offspring. It's a false gospel, no doubt about that, and lots of preachers are getting rich off of it but they'll definitely have to answer one day.
But I believe the KKK is a criminal, terroristic element and is on a totally different level. Do these Black Liberation Churches have the "potential" to be a "black KKK"? Perhaps. Since some here have been compelled to research this sect, and seem so eager to share, I guess I'll have to defer to your expertise in this area. Because I have neither the time nor the inclination to study this stuff. The bible says there will be churches like that in the last days so I'm not "shocked" or "outraged."
And like I've said, I made up my mind a long time ago that I wasn't voting for Obama, but only because I don't believe he has the qualifications that I believe are necessary for the position of leader of the free world. NOT because I think he's the boogieman.
- Julius
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/24/2008 9:36:08 PM
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lightshineon
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julius, I am not expert on the KKK, they are wicked as the devil himself. They need to be, I don't know something, maybe saved. they are jerks, the kindest word I can think for them. There are good pastors, who are men of color, The late EV Hill so important to my walk. Pastor Tony Evans, I have learned much more from him than many, many white pastors. We have our very ignorant white pastors too. Otis Moss is a product, of Rev. Wright, young, and in the need of our prayers, something inside me tells me, he is just copying Wright, and I do not hear the same fury in his voice, maybe it is because he did not live through the evil days Wright did, and has not become truly bitter, just indonoctrinated.
Blessings
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I'm not defending the Black Liberation Church. I just know from experience (I've actually attended a service by the current pastor of Trinity, Otis Moss, III, when he was pastor at a baptist church in Augusta, GA.) that it's simply another one of those "gimmick" forms of Christianity that appeals to those with "itching ears." Sadly, the black community is full of preachers, maybe not as radical as Wright, but certainly not willing to tell people the truth that in most instances, it's their negative behavior and sinful lifestyle that is the source of their troubles and not the "oppressor." Obama claims he doesn't agree with some of Wright's more outlandish statements, but I'm concerned about the young men and young women in his church who do believe these crazy rantings. These people are being taught that their sin is not their fault. The government invented Aids, saturated the black community with drugs and created a system that encourages young black men and women have unprotected, uninhibited sex and for the men who impregnate them to abandon them and their offspring. It's a false gospel, no doubt about that, and lots of preachers are getting rich off of it but they'll definitely have to answer one day.
But I believe the KKK is a criminal, terroristic element and is on a totally different level. Do these Black Liberation Churches have the "potential" to be a "black KKK"? Perhaps. Since some here have been compelled to research this sect, and seem so eager to share, I guess I'll have to defer to your expertise in this area. Because I have neither the time nor the inclination to study this stuff. The bible says there will be churches like that in the last days so I'm not "shocked" or "outraged."
And like I've said, I made up my mind a long time ago that I wasn't voting for Obama, but only because I don't believe he has the qualifications that I believe are necessary for the position of leader of the free world. NOT because I think he's the boogieman.
- Julius
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007
Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: John McCain is the luckiest man in the world - 4/25/2008 7:53:20 AM
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P31W
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NOT because I think he's the boogieman.
We agree on something!!!! I don't believe he is the boogieman either!!!! 
To be honest with you I agree with you that the reason he joined this chruch was for "votes". I have watched many politicians and businessmen join churches simply for money or votes.
I don't vote for or do business with either group because they "use" people and they are dishonest.
What I have never seen is a political candidate or businessman bring to church their children (and have them baptised into that church/faith) when they "flat out" oppose the doctrine.
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you know I am saying this ( mostly) tounge in cheek. I said mostly, because how many jumped on the Wright, obama defense train? More than one, and many are still on board. 
