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tracydolls -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (4/30/2008 10:49:51 PM)
quote: No cap. And I think the Federal government should add a war surcharge to the price of gas...to pay the huge cost of securing the sources of oil and taking care of the soldiers who are doing so. You would raise the price of gas?

mapachito13 -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/1/2008 5:23:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wing2000 No cap. And I think the Federal government should add a war surcharge to the price of gas...to pay the huge cost of securing the sources of oil and taking care of the soldiers who are doing so. So the war WAS about oil!!! Gee, what a surprise!!! I thought it was about freedom and democracy and all that garbage Limbaugh keeps spouting. How about the Iraqis start reimbursing us for their security. They can call it a "Freedom tax".[:D]

mcp -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/1/2008 8:16:48 AM)
quote: So the war WAS about oil!!! Gee, what a surprise!!! I thought it was about freedom and democracy and all that garbage Limbaugh keeps spouting. How about the Iraqis start reimbursing us for their security. They can call it a "Freedom tax". All the wars since the late 1800's have been about oil, including WW1 and WW2. But that doesn't mean that war was avoidable or that Bush was only feeding his portfolio. That is the shallow logic insinuated by many protesters. And by the way the struggle over oil and the effects on the economy does affect the overlying principles about freedom and democracy. I am sorry this concept is lost on some.

Stratplayer -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 7:35:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 quote: ORIGINAL: wing2000 No cap. And I think the Federal government should add a war surcharge to the price of gas...to pay the huge cost of securing the sources of oil and taking care of the soldiers who are doing so. So the war WAS about oil!!! Gee, what a surprise!!! I thought it was about freedom and democracy and all that garbage Limbaugh keeps spouting. How about the Iraqis start reimbursing us for their security. They can call it a "Freedom tax".[:D] The thing is this: the US invaded a sovreign nation on the supposed basis that they had these weapons of mass destruction that could potentially be used against us. Since no WMD's were found, we needed to come up with another excuse for being over there so it became about liberating the people of Iraq who, AFAIK, didn't ask us for help. So now that we've got our feet stuck in our mouths, we are putting pressure on Iraq to fix the mess that we made in the first place. I don't think that the Iraqi's should be taxed for our "services". It would make this thing an even bigger mess than it is and gas prices would skyrocket accordingly.

wbporter -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 7:43:48 AM)
Just let the market decide what the prices should be. If you impose a cap on prices, it guarantees shortages, gas lines, and people filling up while they still have half a tank left. We can do without reliving the Carter years. It isn't easy setting prices if you are a gas station. If too low you will run out of gas before the end of the day, but if too high you will lose a lot of business to other local stations.

blessedinnyc -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 9:36:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stratplayer The thing is this: the US invaded a sovreign nation on the supposed basis that they had these weapons of mass destruction that could potentially be used against us. Since no WMD's were found, we needed to come up with another excuse for being over there so it became about liberating the people of Iraq who, AFAIK, didn't ask us for help. So now that we've got our feet stuck in our mouths, we are putting pressure on Iraq to fix the mess that we made in the first place. I don't think that the Iraqi's should be taxed for our "services". It would make this thing an even bigger mess than it is and gas prices would skyrocket accordingly. I don't think it's entirely our mess. In fact, the more we say it is 100% our mess, the less of an escape hatch we have. If we had invaded North Korea or some other relatively homogenous state that didn't have residents who all hated each other, we probably wouldn't have a low-grade civil war on our hands. To some extent, much of the violence of the past two to three years is the Iraqi's responsibility. I think the fastest right way out is for us to say that we're not going to babysit a civil war, declare victory over Saddam, and pull out most of our troops.

mapachito13 -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 6:58:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: Stratplayer The thing is this: the US invaded a sovreign nation on the supposed basis that they had these weapons of mass destruction that could potentially be used against us. Since no WMD's were found, we needed to come up with another excuse for being over there so it became about liberating the people of Iraq who, AFAIK, didn't ask us for help. So now that we've got our feet stuck in our mouths, we are putting pressure on Iraq to fix the mess that we made in the first place. I don't think that the Iraqi's should be taxed for our "services". It would make this thing an even bigger mess than it is and gas prices would skyrocket accordingly. I don't think it's entirely our mess. In fact, the more we say it is 100% our mess, the less of an escape hatch we have. If we had invaded North Korea or some other relatively homogenous state that didn't have residents who all hated each other, we probably wouldn't have a low-grade civil war on our hands. To some extent, much of the violence of the past two to three years is the Iraqi's responsibility. I think the fastest right way out is for us to say that we're not going to babysit a civil war, declare victory over Saddam, and pull out most of our troops. You both have very valid points but I agree with blessedinnyc in that if we take 100% responsibility for the underlying triangle of hatred of Sunni Vs. Shiite Vs Kurd we will be there for another 50-100 years. We need to pull out and let them work it out for themselves. At least, then, they can't blame us for the violence. I know it will result in even more violence (hopefully only in the short term) and even the breakup of the country. But then again, they are in the same boat as Yugoslavia, different ethnicities forced into one country after WWI - the war to BEGIN all wars.

colliefan -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 7:57:20 PM)
quote: And I think the Federal government should add a war surcharge to the price of gas...to pay the huge cost of securing the sources of oil and taking care of the soldiers who are doing so and causing hyperinflation

wing2000 -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 9:12:40 PM)
Yes, I do think taxes should be raised on gas....but not necessarily right now. We need to wait for this speculation driven commodities bubble to burst...then the over inflated gas prices will start to decline. Regardless of how long we stay in Iraq, our military will need to be rebuilt and many veterans will need extended medical and psychological care. Additionally, our highways and bridges are literally falling apart. Where is the money going to come from? At the same time, we need to curb demand for foreign oil. One of the most effective ways to curb demand and alter consumer behavior over the long haul is to keep gas prices relatively high. Will this ever happen? I doubt it. Our politicians don't have the guts to do it. It's ok for market speculators to drive up the price to $117 a barrel...but heaven forbid the government raise taxes to pay for war debt and highway infrastructure. That would make too much sense...

colliefan -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 10:17:12 PM)
quote: . Additionally, our highways and bridges are literally falling apart. Where is the money going to come from? stop raiding highway trust funds....but with high oil prices this also means high highway contruction prices. This means that we need to drill in ANWAR, of the coast of the USA, go for shale oil, basically do everything the environmentalist exteremists hate.

colliefan -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/2/2008 10:19:47 PM)
quote: and alter consumer behavior over the long haul is to keep gas prices relatively high and make food costs high and in doing so starve little children. Hey, if the dems can uses lies in their ads why can't I do the same?

wing2000 -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/3/2008 11:56:08 AM)
quote: stop raiding highway trust funds....but with high oil prices this also means high highway contruction prices. This means that we need to drill in ANWAR, of the coast of the USA, go for shale oil, basically do everything the environmentalist exteremists hate. ...except that many industry analysts don't believe the current oil spike is a supply problem. Market speculation and a weak dollar are the main culprits. And even if the US Gov were to open ANWAR, it would have zero affect on the current situation.

colliefan -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/3/2008 12:22:01 PM)
quote: And even if the US Gov were to open ANWAR, it would have zero affect on the current situation. we are in this mess due to thirty years of the liberals in Congress doing nothing but bowing before groups such as Greenpeace and the Sierra Club.

Stratplayer -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/3/2008 1:12:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: Stratplayer The thing is this: the US invaded a sovreign nation on the supposed basis that they had these weapons of mass destruction that could potentially be used against us. Since no WMD's were found, we needed to come up with another excuse for being over there so it became about liberating the people of Iraq who, AFAIK, didn't ask us for help. So now that we've got our feet stuck in our mouths, we are putting pressure on Iraq to fix the mess that we made in the first place. I don't think that the Iraqi's should be taxed for our "services". It would make this thing an even bigger mess than it is and gas prices would skyrocket accordingly. I don't think it's entirely our mess. In fact, the more we say it is 100% our mess, the less of an escape hatch we have. If we had invaded North Korea or some other relatively homogenous state that didn't have residents who all hated each other, we probably wouldn't have a low-grade civil war on our hands. To some extent, much of the violence of the past two to three years is the Iraqi's responsibility. I think the fastest right way out is for us to say that we're not going to babysit a civil war, declare victory over Saddam, and pull out most of our troops. You both have very valid points but I agree with blessedinnyc in that if we take 100% responsibility for the underlying triangle of hatred of Sunni Vs. Shiite Vs Kurd we will be there for another 50-100 years. We need to pull out and let them work it out for themselves. At least, then, they can't blame us for the violence. I know it will result in even more violence (hopefully only in the short term) and even the breakup of the country. But then again, they are in the same boat as Yugoslavia, different ethnicities forced into one country after WWI - the war to BEGIN all wars. I agee and I didn't mean to imply that we are 100% responsible for all the violence. It's just that since we've taken Sadam out of the picture, it has opened up an avene for these pre-existing rivalries to play themselves out.

wing2000 -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/3/2008 2:30:59 PM)
quote: we are in this mess due to thirty years of the liberals in Congress doing nothing but bowing before groups such as Greenpeace and the Sierra Club. We are in the mess due to a lack of a long term energy strategy. Domestic oil production is only small piece of the solution.

45degreeN -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/5/2008 1:19:07 PM)
If the cost at the pump is less than the cost to produce that gas then there will be no gas to buy so what price will this limit be?

blessedinnyc -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/5/2008 3:18:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls You would raise the price of gas? You wouldn't let consumers buy gasoline at the price they were willing to pay?

mapachito13 -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/5/2008 4:08:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stratplayer I agee and I didn't mean to imply that we are 100% responsible for all the violence. It's just that since we've taken Sadam out of the picture, it has opened up an avene for these pre-existing rivalries to play themselves out. I agree with that and I also agree with you on the WMD issue. Bush really stuck his foot in his mouth on that one. I don't think they may have had more freedoms in saddam run Iraq but there was a lot less wide scale violence there. I guess peace and freedom don't necessarily go hand in hand.

colliefan -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/5/2008 4:20:37 PM)
quote: I agree with that and I also agree with you on the WMD issue. Bush really stuck his foot in his mouth on that one. Both Hillary and Kerry said Sadam had WMDs!

colliefan -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/5/2008 4:22:37 PM)
quote: don't think they may have had more freedoms in saddam run Iraq but there was a lot less wide scale violence there. I guess peace and freedom don't necessarily go hand in hand. So, it was OK for Sadam to run is poltical opponents through woodchippers and gas the Kurds.

blessedinnyc -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/5/2008 4:29:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: colliefan quote: don't think they may have had more freedoms in saddam run Iraq but there was a lot less wide scale violence there. I guess peace and freedom don't necessarily go hand in hand. So, it was OK for Sadam to run is poltical opponents through woodchippers and gas the Kurds. It was no worse for him to do that than for insurgents to drill holes into the bodies of innocent civilans. Iraq was a violent country in both cases, but before 2002, it only really had one terrorist- and we pretty much knew where he was.

mapachito13 -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/5/2008 4:41:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wing2000 quote: we are in this mess due to thirty years of the liberals in Congress doing nothing but bowing before groups such as Greenpeace and the Sierra Club. Don't forget the buddy buddy relationship of the current administration and his father (12 years of the past 20) with the House of Saud and their connection with oil. quote: We are in the mess due to a lack of a long term energy strategy. Domestic oil production is only small piece of the solution. This is what needs to change. We need a long term strategy but we only come up with short term (4-8 years) of half baked efforts.

45degreeN -> RE: Should there be a cap on Gas prices?? (5/6/2008 9:09:21 AM)
Oil is an international commodity and the rise in usage by countries like China and India make the market place far tighter than we Americans usually like to think. Both China and India have far more people that the US does and their oil needs are now higher than ours and growing faster than ours. Americas is actually slowing down but with the global competition for oil getting tougher and tougher America must find some other means to fuel our vehicles or we will lose out in the end.

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