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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 3:48:58 AM
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Real_Solitude
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But doesnt it just hurt more? I dont get how more pain is an escape.
I'm going to give a simple response, and a more scientific one.
The simple response is that the body releases both endorphins and dopamine when cut. These provide relief, and cause addiction. Basically, the pain of cutting literally feels good.
"Those who engage in self-injury face the contradictory reality of harming themselves whilst at the same time obtaining relief from this act. It may even be hard for some to actually initiate cutting, but they often do because they know the relief that will follow. For some self-injurers this relief is primarily psychological whilst for others this feeling of relief comes from the beta endorphins released in the brain (the same chemicals that are thought to be responsible for the "runner's high"). These act to reduce tension and emotional distress and may lead to a feeling of calm.
Beta endorphins disinhibit the dopamine pathways, causing more dopamine to be released. By hijacking this process, exogenous opioids cause inappropriate dopamine release, and lead to aberrant synaptic plasticity which causes addiction.
Dopamine is also released according to the amount of pain a person is in.
The phasic responses of dopamine neurons are observed when an unexpected reward is presented. These responses transfer to the onset of a conditioned stimulus after repeated pairings with the reward."
"When dopamine is released it provides feelings of enjoyment and reinforcement to motivate us to do, or continue doing, certain activities. Dopamine is released by naturally rewarding experiences such as food and sex. This pre-programmed reward system makes sure that people do eat, do desire to procreate, and basically survive. Without enough dopamine, people feel the opposite of enjoyment and motivation -- they feel fatigued and depressed, and experience a lack of drive and motivation."
So, self-injury releases Beta-endorphins based on the amount of pain it causes. Beta-endorphins not only cause relief, they also cause more dopamine to be released.
The pain releases the dopamine, which triggers a positive-response mechanism in our brains. This causes a self-injurer to not only enjoy the process of cutting, but to become addicted to it after several repetitions of harming oneself.
This is neglecting the psychological benefits and reliefs people get from cutting.
(Note: I'm not encouraging cutting, nor trying to put it in a positive light.)
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 4:53:48 AM
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But doesnt it just hurt more? I dont get how more pain is an escape.
Here's a more anecdotal response to your question answering the psychological aspect of cutting. This is personal experience, so I can't guarantee it valid for anyone else, but here's my story.
When I was roughly fourteen, I fell into a deep state of despair. I don't know what caused the depression, but ennui consumed me. I ceased to feel any emotion at all. There was no happiness, sadness, anger, or pleasure, just a simply void of emotion.
In an attempt to regain my emotions, I started cutting. The bio-chemical effects I've already described obviously apply, but there was a psychological side to it as well. The skin damage and pain forced the release of the endorphins and dopamine. These two chemicals allowed me two emotions, relief, and pleasure. I used these to remember how to feel. A springboard of sorts out of the vapid state I'd found myself in. By adding other emotional content either immediately before, or more usually during/after a cutting session, I was able to trigger the emotions associated with the stimulus as well. Happiness, elation, and sadness were all regained either by supplementing the cutting with music, literature, or visual media that was designed to evoke specific responses, I began to feel those responses. When I had enough feeling back, I attempted to stop cutting, and found it hard. The dopamine had trained me, and I had become reliant on the mental release associated with the pain. I eventually weaned myself off of it after a year and a half total of cutting. There were one or two relapses since then, but I've since stopped all together.
Despite the gains I was able to achieve via this technique, I regret self-mutilating, and recognize that there are better ways to solve such problems than through pain. I still can't feel some emotions. I can't feel embarrassment, or fear, for instance.
You're correct in that it did hurt more, but that was the point. The physical pain is an escape from the emotional pain, in addition to providing an addicting pleasure itself. The ultimate masochism, I suppose.
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 10:06:38 AM
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That completely pwned my reasoning.
Thanks, Jake........
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 12:55:36 PM
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Actually I got the "1 in 25 emos cut" from wikipedia.
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 1:40:44 PM
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Actually I got the "1 in 25 emos cut" from wikipedia.
Wikipedia contradicts itself yet again. *Shock*
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 1:50:02 PM
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I can't feel embarrassment, or fear
Me either, in most areas. It's only when it blends with other things. Do you know why it's like that? I haven't ever been able to figure it out.
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 8:22:17 PM
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ok people hurting themsevles thats terrible! or they tryign to escape? the only one who can help u is Jesus Christ right?
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 10:04:55 PM
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yeah, just some people dont know that unfortunately
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RE: CUTTING - 4/30/2008 11:11:43 PM
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yea it's sad but Thats why we witness to them to tell them that Jesus can Help them right!!!?? were messagers for Christ (Jesus)!
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 3:34:48 AM
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Me either, in most areas. It's only when it blends with other things. Do you know why it's like that? I haven't ever been able to figure it out.
Not a clue. With the embarrassment, I think it's because it never actually matters. Embarrassment is a useless emotion as it is. It really only hinders clear thinking when you need it most. In most situations, feeling embarrassed is something people don't want to do anyways. For me, I think it never got 'reactivated' because it served no purpose.
The same applies to fear, for the most part. Fear is useful to a child, because they may not be able to logically access situations. Fear helps them err on the side of caution in most cases. However, as you grow up, you don't need to be afraid of something to know not to avoid it. I'm not afraid to stand next to a 2,000 foot drop on a windy day, but I'm not going to do it out of sheer practicality. I suppose since it was fairly useless anyways, it simply atrophied into non-existence.
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:27:27 AM
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ive pretty much reached that point too.
now i'd rather have more fear. necessity is the mother of invention as they say.. or anyway.. fear makes you do things. i need to study...
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 11:22:18 AM
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fear is ridiculous. It's controlling and I personally HATE being controlled by anything or anyone. And it's especially annoying when people use it to have authority over other people.
Fear has been mostly eradicated from my pool of feelings for a little while now. There are still some things that make me feel some fear but not much.
I don't think it's absolutely necessary.
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 9:35:51 PM
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yea i like fear and worry alot. is there anything u can do to keep fear and worry away?
Apathy works wonders in this department. If you don't care, you can't worry. It helps to realize that none of it really matters anyways, in the long run.
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:03:53 PM
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mature up.
90% of the time you worry or fear is cause you dont know something. we all fear the unknown, thats why we are afraid of the dark.
ive reached a point where im not afraid of failing classes, failing my parents in that way, failing my friends, being viewed as a failure in general, or fearing that i wont survive because of it etc etc.
but its fear most of the time that makes you do things you dont want to. or love. and since i dont love studying, and im too weak to pressure myself into doing it, im kinda trapped
so.. keep fearing lol
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:09:08 PM
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Well its good to Fear God because he can both kill the body and also he could put the soul in (lake of fire) right? well i'll have to look the verse and book/chapter up.. but if u know where that srcipture is can u please tell me where it is so i can read it? and please dont get me wrong on that scripture. =/
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:13:29 PM
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fearing God is more like respecting Him.
fear is different
but like i said you do things you dont "want" to either from love or fear. when God asks you to do something you should do it out of love, not fear. thats what He wants.
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:23:44 PM
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God does not give us the spirit of fear.
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:29:38 PM
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yep God didnt give us the spirit of fear but the spirit of.... well i dont know what he said i dont think.. did he say that he gave us the spirit of love?
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:35:55 PM
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not given us the spirit of fear but of power ,love and sound mind.
fear makes you lose your mind. it definitely does
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RE: CUTTING - 5/2/2008 10:39:03 PM
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not given us the spirit of fear but of power ,love and sound mind.
fear makes you lose your mind. it definitely does
Fear=unbelief
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