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Brachah -> RE: christian culture (5/7/2008 10:16:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kingdust

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ORIGINAL: Brachah

kingdust, ur opinions are well-noted!


Thank you, but the Chinese word for righteousness, lamb over me, is not my opinion; it is of Chinese.
I wonder where your ancestor got that idea.

Also, Christian righteousness acquired by putting faith in Jesus, not by doing the right things God commanded to do, is not of my opinion.

If any is my opinion, it is my use of 'lamb over me' metaphor to depict a core Christian faith.

One thing I am not sure if it is mine or not is my claim of 'I am not Gnosist'.

Believing is one thing, but to be exactly it is another.

Who else can tell me who I am really?


i think chinese ancestors got it fm God. there were a lot of miracles in ancient china, just like in ancient hebrew history. people also think the chinese father of poets - qu yuan mentioned jesus in his famous poem, before any western preachers came to china.



RJR_fan -> RE: christian culture (5/7/2008 6:40:08 PM)

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I thought I confessed a Christian faith but was taken as ‘Gnosis’!
What would you do to take off some name you don’t want to be called?


Thanks for a very thoughtful post. One of the attractions of "cyberspace" is -- one can be as nasty as one wishes to be, in ways that one would never treat those he deals with face to face. It's easy to "tilt windmills," and attack personal peeves as perceived in the person of other posters. That does not show proper respect for the other very real person on the other end of the conversation. God and I talked about you on my way home from work today, and I owe you an apology for jumping to conclusions and unfairly tarring you with a big brush.

Thank God, His people tend to be better than their theology.

ANYHOW: I do pray that our God's favor will rest upon your house, and that you are disposed to be gracious to one very offensive, and obnoxious, know-it-all,

me.



Brachah -> RE: christian culture (5/8/2008 3:59:45 AM)

i receive an email today fm Randy Kilgore
title: News on the Evangelical Manifesto

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Just google the phrase "useful idiots" on any news page tonight and you'll see why we think the release of the Evangelical Manifesto will prove to be a hurtful experience in the Body of Christ. That's the phrase the document actually uses! Surely the drafters must have realized that would be the sound bite most likely pulled from their document when they crafted it.

In fact, as I read the document through, and then read their invitation to sign it, I had the feeling I was being asked to make a choice. Almost everything in the document's early pages reflects my own personal beliefs, and even the frustrations and behaviors they disdain in the later pages are opinions I've often held.

Which is precisely why this Manifesto is not good for the Body of Christ: It makes you feel like you have to choose sides!

To be fair, they do attempt to mask the unflattering terms as self-descriptive, but the men and women whose names are attached to the bottom of this document have seldom if ever been guilty of the behaviors they condemn, so the shots fired across others' bows remain just that: Shots fired across others' bows.



http://www.madetomatter.org/articles_view.asp?articleid=45866&columnid=4672

http://www.cephasministry.com/world_church_evangelical_manifesto.html



Brachah -> RE: christian culture (5/8/2008 4:16:11 AM)

some further quotes i wud share:

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Unapologetically committed to the truths of Scripture, the document (I can’t even bring myself to use the word “manifesto”; it bears such a hugely negative connotation) clearly and wonderfully defines what it means to be a follower of Jesus of Nazareth.

More to the point, while many of the signers of the Manifesto are household names inside the Evangelical bubble, most of them will be names that are unfamiliar to the body of Christ at large. While they term themselves leaders in the Evangelical movement, their leadership is largely behind the scenes. Because of this, we think we’re positioned to communicate who the signers of this Manifesto are; to affirm to Christians who may not know them that they are men and women of unquestionable character and spiritual depth; while seeking to explain in lay terms just what dangers rest in the Manifesto’s later pages, especially.

While we think parts of the Manifesto, and most of the way it was organized and released, are harmful to the church at large, we don’t believe most of the drafters intended to be harmful or even hurtful. It’s our hope to comment on their action while still affirming their marvelous contributions to the faith of so many.

We do so with humility and without animosity; but we do so convinced this effort must be altered to avoid the kind of in-fighting which historically plagues denominations.

We’re fully aware this may be too narrow a slicing of our rationale; that we may well find ourselves in need of repentance. We’re also aware of the deep emotions on both sides of the issue of how Christians should engage their culture, especially the political areas of that culture...



so, there are always "conservatives" or "moderates" or "liberals", make peace not war, while going in depth of ur faith.



kingdust -> RE: christian culture (5/8/2008 8:11:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RJR_fan
God and I talked about you on my way home from work today, and I owe you an apology for jumping to conclusions and unfairly tarring you with a big brush.

Thank God, His people tend to be better than their theology.

ANYHOW: I do pray that our God's favor will rest upon your house, and that you are disposed to be gracious to one very offensive, and obnoxious, know-it-all, me.


I hope you didn't tell God the bad I did.[:)]

Please don't feel too bad about your assessment of me who is responsible, as the sender, for at least the half of the blame you assumed, as a receiver.
Your conclusion was done upon reading words from me, which was incomplete, subjective, partial, self-centered, and, more than most, written by a not so professional writer, me, who has another infirmity called 'ESL', English as Second Language.

All I wanted was just for you to take the name 'Gnosis' from a book of my life, I mean, the written form written about me in this cyber book of life.
Also, I am willing to correct myself if I really sounded like one, even a slight hint of being one.

Yes, I agree that people are better than their theology, maybe 'more' is better than 'better'.
However, if a proverb of 'as man thinks in his heart, so is he' is absolutely true, people can be no better than what they think, as of now.
However again, our thoughts can be changed in the future, for better or worse.
So, our talking about theology, opinion I'd rather call, maybe an important process to produce a book of life for people involved in the table talk.

Offending and being offended is a part of our life process, Christian or not.
As for Christians, we are not saint yet, not saved completely from being and doing infirmity.
At least, our salvation has begun, is being working out and will be completed one day.
Until then, we are to have frictions from being together.
(My wife knows better.)

I agree that we need to dispose grace toward each other, at least by us who received one from God.
On this cyber space, we can have only words typed, by someone somewhere in the real world, to deal with and tend to be very much caught up with the typed words, forgetting the real person on the other side, in which I am a chief.
So, let me take the half the blame and call it a deal.

Thank for your kind respond.



RJR_fan -> RE: christian culture (5/10/2008 7:43:53 PM)

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I hope you didn't tell God the bad I did.


No, actually, I was invoking God's blessings upon your house. People can disagree with each other theologically on minor points, while esteeming each other highly as trophies of God's grace.

Thank you for your gracious pardons of my boorish behavior.



kingdust -> RE: christian culture (5/11/2008 5:59:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RJR_fan
No, actually, I was invoking God's blessings upon your house. People can disagree with each other theologically on minor points, while esteeming each other highly as trophies of God's grace.


I think you just have mentioned two things that we Christians do in common but they are totally different in character like Christian culture and faith- disagree according to my point of view but agree according to God.

Culture basically is to be man made outward expression of own faith in God, subjectively and relatively.
It can be various and diversity due to the uniqueness of a living being, different from one another in taste, preference, value, ability, experience, or even environment.

A good example is denomination.
We disagree on minor points and group together with the like-minded, simply because none can walk side by side in disagreement.

But, we all are in agreement that whatever conviction we have is from God who is our object of faith.
If we confess God, especially Jesus, sincerely, that is faith, not culture.
So, we must see Jesus, our common precious ground, in each other and treat one another as the bearer of Jesus, having faith in Him, trophies like you said.
I think that is the work of the grace from God, which is of faith, not of culture.



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