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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/24/2008 12:35:18 PM
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lightshineon
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OK Liz, we are going to for the first time agree on an issue, do not fall out.  We are responsible how we treat Gods gift of creation. That is why I recycle, and it is a pain in the backside, but do it because felt led too. I do not buy Al Gore and his theory, on Global warming though. I just think we as Christian worship the Creator (God) by taking care of the enviroment, he lovingly put in place for us. I do not believe in worshiping the creation though. I also miss Goof-Off in the spray can vs, the can that does not spray. I wonder if they will be taking all aresol based products off the shelf, which is ridiculious, that is going too far, For a chubby man, with a beard, and his ridiculious beliefs.
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/24/2008 9:56:27 PM
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using the ANWR as our sole source of oil, it would last between 215 and 525 days, and that turning protected park land into industry is a slippery slope in the eyes of most environmentalists?
a pack of lies...there is enough oil there for several decade until we find other sources..and who cares what a bunch of wackos see
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The Oscar was for a documentary that helped to ring the alarm bell that we are trapping the Earth under a cloud of gasses that trap heat inside, slowly killing us all, and our descendants?
another pack of lies...so you produce a deadly gas on a daily basis and trees love this deadly gas
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Plus, if the environment collapses, then resources will become more scarce, provoking more conflict.
the environment will NOT collapse..just chicken little science. What will collapse are economies particullary those of third world countries that need minor things such as corn, rice, and wheat.
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Gore and the IPCC helped to promote a world where resources are less scarce and conflict over them is lessened .
You must be joking! Haven't you read about the food riots in places such as Haiti?
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that studies have found that greenhouse gasses (of which CO2 and methane are) in
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and you want to prevent animals from defecating?
and that the mean temperature of the Earth in just the last hundred years has increased by 1.35 degrees farenheit?
and a number of these readings were from thermometers placed next to airport runways and on the sunny side of buildings
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Carbon credits are a brilliant idea. It mixes environmentalism with capitalism. If you want the luxuries that destroy the environment, you ought to have to pay for them. Also, your Gore-bashing is rather outdated by this point.
Yes, it permits you to maintain a lavish lifestyle...the others are out of luck
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Blame this on our Dear Leader's incompetence regarding anything that would be good for the environment.
How do you blame pollution from fertilizer runoff on Bush and not on Gore! You must be young and a product of our excellent public educational system.
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/24/2008 10:05:32 PM
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Mmmmm...and I almost forgot - you do know that alternative energy is a good thing as well, correct? You know - if we don't have to depend on oil...perhaps little men would not have to go to foreign lands to start ill-conceived wars
The discussion of Iraq is another topic. What is the issue is using the resources we have until we have marketable alternative fuels. The simple fact is those pushing for alternative fuels have no regard to the economic hardships it brings to those who can least afford it! How is this a good thing? It is a good thing only if you can afford it and have enough disposable income.
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 12:44:35 AM
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Burn a tire and cut down a tree?
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 12:58:22 AM
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Oil is not fossil fuel, it is abiogenic fuel... and there is no peak oil. Fossil fuel is another assumption by the same folks that brought you evolution.
Just more politics and ungodly assumptions.
God did not create this earth in a way that we could ruin it. When it has served it's purpose He will burn it and everything in it. Jesus is coming soon...
Happy Smurf Day!!!
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 7:59:15 AM
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OK Liz, we are going to for the first time agree on an issue, do not fall out. We are responsible how we treat Gods gift of creation. That is why I recycle, and it is a pain in the backside, but do it because felt led too. I do not buy Al Gore and his theory, on Global warming though. I just think we as Christian worship the Creator (God) by taking care of the enviroment, he lovingly put in place for us. I do not believe in worshiping the creation though. I also miss Goof-Off in the spray can vs, the can that does not spray. I wonder if they will be taking all aresol based products off the shelf, which is ridiculious, that is going too far, For a chubby man, with a beard, and his ridiculious beliefs.
I agree with you - and to think God created such a beautiful place moves me as well. And in Genesis 2:15, He commands us to keep His creation.
Well, I do believe Al Gore's theory and I don't think Gore is asking us to worship the creation.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 8:16:14 AM
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I will never understand this reluctance and sometimes refusal on the part of some evangelicals on this topic.
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Personally I find Earth Day offensive because it is, like many liberal activites, one of those things that allows one to feel good about oneself without actually doing anything substantive at all.
I also find "Earth Day" offensive.
Lizahana, your link provided this information:
"The EnviroLink Network is a non-profit organization which has been providing access to thousands of online environmental resources since 1991." (highlight mine)
We acknowledge 'Arbor Day' :
The first Arbor Day took place on April 10, 1872 in Nebraska. It was the brainchild of Julius Sterling Morton (1832-1902), a Nebraska journalist and politician originally from Michigan. Throughout his long and productive career, Morton worked to improve agricultural techniques in his adopted state and throughout the United States when he served as President Grover Cleveland's Secretary of Agriculture. But his most important legacy is Arbor Day.
Morton felt that Nebraska's landscape and economy would benefit from the wide-scale planting of trees. He set an example himself planting orchards, shade trees and wind breaks on his own farm and he urged his neighbours to follow suit. Morton's real opportunity, though, arrived when he became a member of Nebraska's state board of agriculture. He proposed that a special day be set aside dedicated to tree planting and increasing awareness of the importance of trees. Nebraska's first Arbor Day was an amazing success. More than one million trees were planted. A second Arbor Day took place in 1884 and the young state made it an annual legal holiday in 1885, using April 22nd to coincide with Morton's birthday.
In the years following that first Arbor Day, Morton's idea spread beyond Nebraska with Kansas, Tennessee, Minnesota and Ohio all proclaiming their own Arbor Days. Today all 50 states celebrate Arbor Day although the dates may vary in keeping with the local climate. (State Arbor Days) At the federal level, in 1970, President Richard Nixon proclaimed the last Friday in April as National Arbor Day.
More HERE
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Please Note the words: "He set an example himself planting orchards, shade trees and wind breaks on his own farm and he urged his neighbours to follow suit."
For myself, I've just never been thrilled with those that steal and take credit for someone else's ideas and work. And then change the name and turn it into a profit making business; Al Gore, IMHO.
Sorry - I'm not following you here. Arbor Day is on April 25 and Earth Day is on April 22. So who stole what? Are you saying that Al Gore is saying that he started Earth Day, or Arbor Day or both or...? If so, please provide the links...
Thank you in advance, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 8:33:40 AM
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Mmmmm...and I almost forgot - you do know that alternative energy is a good thing as well, correct? You know - if we don't have to depend on oil...perhaps little men would not have to go to foreign lands to start ill-conceived wars
The discussion of Iraq is another topic. What is the issue is using the resources we have until we have marketable alternative fuels. The simple fact is those pushing for alternative fuels have no regard to the economic hardships it brings to those who can least afford it! How is this a good thing? It is a good thing only if you can afford it and have enough disposable income.
We already have marketable alternative fuels, colliefan. In 1993, Clinton started The Partnership for the Next Generation of Vehicles (PNGV) - a 10-year project setup by the Clinton administration to federally help fund research into developing family-sized vehicles that could deliver 80 MPG efficiency. Bush drastically reduced spending on this in 2001 & has since changed this out of pressure from Democrats.
The Prius, and Honda models have been out since 2002 at least. It's high time US automakers catch up, and they are.
If you want to take the oil up in ANWR, along with its' serene beauty from future generations, then go ahead. I'll be on the other side trying to prevent this.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 8:53:51 AM
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Greenpeace founder now backs nuclear power
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Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.
But of course the cries of "foul" will come out along with the accusations of - quote:
His critics, like Andrea Shipley, executive director of the Snake River Alliance, say he has simply sold out.
"The only reason Patrick Moore is backing something as unsafe and risky as nuclear power is he is being paid by the nuclear industry to do so," Shipley said.
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 9:05:49 AM
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If you want to take the oil up in ANWR, along with its' serene beauty from future generations, then go ahead. Serene Beauty Liz? Are you aware that it is covered in ice and snow, foggy and gloomy for 10 months a year? And when it is bearable for you to take a tour of you sink to your waist in the tundra!
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 11:09:54 AM
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Sorry - I'm not following you here. Arbor Day is on April 25 and Earth Day is on April 22. So who stole what? Are you saying that Al Gore is saying that he started Earth Day, or Arbor Day or both or...? If so, please provide the links...
If you read the link I provided [HERE] you would have read:
The first Arbor Day took place on April 10, 1872
A second Arbor Day took place in 1884 and the young state made it an annual legal holiday in 1885, using April 22nd to coincide with Morton's birthday.
At the federal level, in 1970, President Richard Nixon proclaimed the last Friday in April as National Arbor Day.
As for Earth Day; 20 million people across the United States celebrated the first Earth Day, on April 22, 1970
What's so hard to follow about this?
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 7:56:57 PM
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colliefan
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If you want to take the oil up in ANWR, along with its' serene beauty from future generations, then go ahead. I'll be on the other side trying to prevent this.
There is nothing up there; if you love it so much move there and build an igloo. You have bought hook, line, and sinker into the lies of the Sierra Club.
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 7:59:59 PM
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colliefan
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The Prius, and Honda models have been out since 2002 at least. It's high time US automakers catch up, and they are.
And where are we to mine for the metal needed for the hybrid batteries. Where are we going to go when the demand for these increases?
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/25/2008 9:57:02 PM
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I gotta get me one of those tours to the tundras of Alaska.
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/26/2008 8:05:00 AM
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whoo hoo..
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/26/2008 10:24:41 PM
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Greenpeace founder now backs nuclear power
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Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.
But of course the cries of "foul" will come out along with the accusations of - quote:
His critics, like Andrea Shipley, executive director of the Snake River Alliance, say he has simply sold out.
"The only reason Patrick Moore is backing something as unsafe and risky as nuclear power is he is being paid by the nuclear industry to do so," Shipley said.
Ha! Interesting, stamper_ben. I see you neglected to include this in the post that all can see, from your own link (pretty sly of you ;) :
"Patrick Moore tells the Boise chamber that the world must wean itself from fossil fuels to reduce greenhouse gases....
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The chemistry of the atmosphere is changing, and there is a high-enough risk that "true believers" like Al Gore are right that world economies need to wean themselves off fossil fuels to reduce greenhouse gases, he said...."
1) Patrick Moore left Greenpeace in 1986.
2) Irregardless of whether or not he believes there is proof or not that humans cause global warming, he is still advocating that we wean ourselves off of oil.
3) There are PLENTY of well-reknowned scientists that believe humans are at least partly to blame for global warming. EVEN the EPA, and the Bush administration has acknowledged such - please DO let me know if you'd like to see links on this AGAIN (I'm almost postive that I've posted these for you before).
4) There are many environmentalists, like Patrick Moore, and me to some extent - that support nuclear power as well.
Therefore, I really do not see your point.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/26/2008 10:28:37 PM
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Lizahana
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If you want to take the oil up in ANWR, along with its' serene beauty from future generations, then go ahead. Serene Beauty Liz? Are you aware that it is covered in ice and snow, foggy and gloomy for 10 months a year? And when it is bearable for you to take a tour of you sink to your waist in the tundra!
Yup! Before I die (I guess you could call this my partial 'bucket list'), I would like to see a polar bear in the wild - it's my number 3 all time destination (#1 is to go to the East Rift Valley in Africa to see a giraffe in the wild and to buy what I think is the 1st or 2nd most beautiful art in the world - African art; and #2 to go to China to see the Great Wall among other things).
If this doesn't appeal to you - hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps your preference is a nice mountain with a oil drill in the foreground? I mean, to each his own!)
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/26/2008 10:32:33 PM
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Lizahana
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Sorry - I'm not following you here. Arbor Day is on April 25 and Earth Day is on April 22. So who stole what? Are you saying that Al Gore is saying that he started Earth Day, or Arbor Day or both or...? If so, please provide the links...
If you read the link I provided [HERE] you would have read:
The first Arbor Day took place on April 10, 1872
A second Arbor Day took place in 1884 and the young state made it an annual legal holiday in 1885, using April 22nd to coincide with Morton's birthday.
At the federal level, in 1970, President Richard Nixon proclaimed the last Friday in April as National Arbor Day.
As for Earth Day; 20 million people across the United States celebrated the first Earth Day, on April 22, 1970
What's so hard to follow about this?
Pat-rebel_lady,
I'm not trying to be a rebel here - I'm trying to understand your point.
Are you mad because you think Earth Day stole Arbor Days day to celebrate? If so, by all means, write to your rep and ask them to change Earth Days day? And if so, why aren't the Arbor Day people mad at the Earth Day people? I don't see the Arbor Day people making a big deal about this, so why are you?
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/26/2008 10:33:54 PM
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Lizahana
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If you want to take the oil up in ANWR, along with its' serene beauty from future generations, then go ahead. I'll be on the other side trying to prevent this.
There is nothing up there; if you love it so much move there and build an igloo. You have bought hook, line, and sinker into the lies of the Sierra Club.
Again - Yup! Before I die (I guess you could call this my partial 'bucket list'), I would like to see a polar bear in the wild - it's my number 3 all time destination (#1 is to go to the East Rift Valley in Africa to see a giraffe in the wild and to buy what I think is the 1st or 2nd most beautiful art in the world - African art; and #2 to go to China to see the Great Wall among other things).
If this doesn't appeal to you - hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps your preference is a nice mountain with a oil drill in the foreground? I mean, to each his own!)
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/26/2008 10:57:32 PM
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Lizahana
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The Prius, and Honda models have been out since 2002 at least. It's high time US automakers catch up, and they are.
And where are we to mine for the metal needed for the hybrid batteries. Where are we going to go when the demand for these increases?
Hmmmm... first you say you want an alternative energy mobilily that is 'marketable' - now you're worried about demand? See, I thought demand is good, because it means your product is 'marketable.' So, not following you here, colliefan...please pick a position.
I could not dig up any problems about batteries and hybrid technology on the web, but I do recall seeing 'click and clack' (in case you do not know them, Tom and Ray Magliozzi) on my local PBS station, and recalled that there is A LOT of engineering research out there on hybrid cars that do NOT need to use batteries:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car
http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6549294.html
Do let me know if you'd like more links.
And, gee, the PNGV, which Bush reduced funding for, would research exactly what we're speaking about now wouldn't it? Pity, really, pity for the future generations, that the Bush Admin does not care about this problem unless pressured to.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/27/2008 3:48:03 PM
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colliefan
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Yup! Before I die (I guess you could call this my partial 'bucket list'), I would like to see a polar bear in the wild -
ain't no polar bears in ANWAR. But if you go there haven't you caused emense ecological damage? Or, are you going to pay for your sins against nature by purchasing a carbon foot-print. And how many of them must you buy to off-set your sins?
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on my local PBS station
Ah, yes, the liberal on-air versa of PRAVDA. If PBS had to be privately funded it would go bankrupt. Just like Air-head America. But that is a topic of another thread
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RE: Earth Day How should we celebrate? - 4/27/2008 6:11:33 PM
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stamper_ben
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Liz, I included the WHOLE link for everyone's purusal. My main thrust was to point out that nuclear MUST be included if we are to wean ourselves off oil, as even Moore sees.
You don't have to limit yourself to Alaska to see Polar bears. You'll probably find it easier to access them in Canada around Hudson Bay anyway.
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