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kernsfamily -> RE: Democrats Shattered This Year (4/28/2008 12:21:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: well, i witness the very OPPOSITE every day....it's called "emerging affluent".....our church has an entire ministry to help people out with it... Is this the gospel of Jesus Christ? quote: people who actually know how the economy runs... then why is the economy in the tank? quote: You sure sound like someone who lives back in my "old neighborhood" in Detroit....complain, complain, complain about how "bad" things are (even during the best of times), but, unwilling to do anything about it. Why telling the truth is considered complaining, I'm not a poor person, I'm pleading for them like the Bible directs you to do. And I do plenty about it, you just don't know me personally to know that. quote: So, then, any idea what these people are doing now? Nope, I don't know them, so I felt I cannot testify to something I don't know. It certainly IS the "gospel".....isn't the "ministry" of the church to help those who are afflicted with problems and guide them through "the storms" of life?....and minister to them?....that's what churches DO! Through the ministry, many come to know Christ...and, again, are helped through biblical principles that get them through some VERY tough circumstances.... Economy in the tank? Hardly. The economy, right now, is doing "so-so"...after 6+ years of strong economic growth, the cycle has come to an end, as it always does. Even towards the last 9-12 months of Clinton's administration, the recession was looming, as the "dot com" boom was going bust....it's economic cycles.....no matter how good things are, the 'downturn' always comes...then, recovery is around the corner.... AND, whether it was during the "good years" during Clinton, or the economic growth the country had the past 6+ years, not EVERYONE is going to "prosper"....you still have people sitting around complaining that policies of the Reagan administration put them in the "condition" they are in....(strongest post-war economic growth period in the history of the country).....During Clinton's 'prosperous" years, was everyone coming out of the wood work and saying "BUT, BUT, BUT" because they weren't "included"? well, they were doing that...but, ignored by the media, who liked Clinton....

kernsfamily -> RE: Democrats Shattered This Year (4/28/2008 1:41:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls Nope, I don't know them, so I felt I cannot testify to something I don't know. Those were 7 of the 400 "richest" americans..... The son of the poor preacher? He started, and now runs, Hobby Lobby.... The only other guy I remember is the last one...the Brooks Brothers sales man....that was Ralph Lauren. The others, are successful businessmen in their respective fields, but, again.....all started out poor. very poor. The guy who started Chick-fil-A is on the list as well....the Hobby Lobby guy, and the Chick fil a guy are very strong Christians.... And, there are many similar stories amongst the other 393 others on the list, as well. So, SOME of the poor may be getting poorer....(the "war on poverty" has cost trillions of dollars....and, where has it gotten us?) Some may not be... Others, though, are working out of it....and, either moving into the "middle class" or even higher.....

blessedinnyc -> RE: Democrats Shattered This Year (4/28/2008 7:03:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kernsfamily Hmmm....what facts do YOU have on that? Here's what I read a few months ago in Forbes magazine: The middle class isn't disappearing--it's moving up. The Census reports that the share of U.S. households earning $35,000 to $75,000 a year (in '06 dollars)--roughly, the middle class--has indeed shrunk slightly over the last decade, from 34% to 33%. But so, too, has the share earning less than $35,000--from 40% to 37%. It's the share of households earning more than $75,000 that's jumped--from 26% to 30%. --Daniel T. Griswold, Cato Institute... At the same time, however, the fed stopped measuring inflation using a traditional market basket in 1994. Had it continued this, the dollar today would be about 10-20% less valuable than it currently is relative to 1996. Indeed, I really don't think it's fair to call a household that makes $70K/year middle-class anymore. They were certainly middle-class 10 years ago, but if you live in a metropolitan area, I really don't know how you can raise two kids on $70K/year relatively comfortably. quote: If jobs are leaving by the 1000s, as you mentioned, then WHY is March's unemployment rate at 5.1, with 2007's averaging 4.6? Those are, historically, low numbers for unemployment. The unemployment numbers 10 years ago were about 4.3% (April 1, 1998), so I don't think our current unemployment rate is anything to celebrate. quote: You want a "jacked up" economy? just wait until those marxist liberals get into office.....it don't take a rocket scientist to realize that that is when things will really go downhill. Whoever said that Liberals were Marxist? Perhaps a few ideas we have might have some vague connection to Marx, but the same can be said of Conservatives and Mussolini.

Jhud -> RE: Democrats Shattered This Year (4/29/2008 8:46:44 AM)
quote: Indeed, I really don't think it's fair to call a household that makes $70K/year middle-class anymore. They were certainly middle-class 10 years ago, but if you live in a metropolitan area, I really don't know how you can raise two kids on $70K/year relatively comfortably. Really? I know a number of people who make much less than this and do so. Though your idea of 'comfortably' may be significantly different than theirs.

kernsfamily -> RE: Democrats Shattered This Year (4/29/2008 9:04:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jhud quote: Indeed, I really don't think it's fair to call a household that makes $70K/year middle-class anymore. They were certainly middle-class 10 years ago, but if you live in a metropolitan area, I really don't know how you can raise two kids on $70K/year relatively comfortably. Really? I know a number of people who make much less than this and do so. Though your idea of 'comfortably' may be significantly different than theirs. I earn LESS than $70K....we live in a major metro area....we live quite comfortably...and we have 3 kids! again...it all depends on what you NEED to be "comfortable"....we don't "need" a whole lot of stuff.... quote: quote: If jobs are leaving by the 1000s, as you mentioned, then WHY is March's unemployment rate at 5.1, with 2007's averaging 4.6? Those are, historically, low numbers for unemployment. The unemployment numbers 10 years ago were about 4.3% (April 1, 1998), so I don't think our current unemployment rate is anything to celebrate. Yep..1998 was getting into the "dot com" boom, which pushed unemployment numbers to new lows temporarily. Bill Clinton got re-elected by everyone "celebrating" his 5.4/5.3 rates....those numbers were considered very good.... and, yes....there is some "improvement" to be made over the current 5.1....even Bill had several months at 6.0+.....historically, 5.0 or so is about the "average", if not a little bit below the average. THOUGH....SOME jobs may be 'leaving' for overseas...but, even MORE are coming FROM overseas....and, "off-shoring" isn't even the #1 cause for the decline in manufacturing jobs...

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