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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 4/26/2008 5:09:37 PM
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9drtr
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Me thinks that some folks just have too much time on their hands.
It isn't a matter of too much time on their hands, but too much motivation to accept anything other than Jesus as He really is. For them any story - no matter how fanciful - is better than the truth.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 4/26/2008 5:51:45 PM
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For them any story - no matter how fanciful - is better than the truth.
Such people probably find "the truth" plenty fanciful without any alteration whatsoever.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 4/26/2008 6:00:13 PM
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It isn't a matter of too much time on their hands, but too much motivation to accept anything other than Jesus as He really is. For them any story - no matter how fanciful - is better than the truth.
Frankly, the reason why this theory has little merit is because it is impossible to either prove or disprove, like the virgin birth itself.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 4/27/2008 10:42:33 AM
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Frankly, the reason why this theory has little merit is because it is impossible to either prove or disprove, like the virgin birth itself.
The difference being that one story calls upon supernatural circumstances, while the other could very naturally happen.
If the natural story is untrue, then it is simply a scandalous tale. Were the supernatural story found to be untrue, then it would pull out a major thread in the tapestry of an entire religion.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 4/27/2008 12:49:38 PM
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I don't think Mary would have been in "trouble" under jewish law if she had been raped...correct? She wouldn't have been stoned for being raped...which she was possibly subject to if Joseph did not marry her.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 4/27/2008 4:00:03 PM
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I don't think Mary would have been in "trouble" under jewish law if she had been raped...correct?
Correct. The funny thing about old biblical law is that they gauged it as rape iff someone heard her call for help, or if there was no one else within earshot of her cries.
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She wouldn't have been stoned for being raped...which she was possibly subject to if Joseph did not marry her.
I don't know whether or not they would have stoned her, but Joseph did have to sneak off to Egypt to marry her, because Jewish custom compelled Joseph to "put her away."
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 4/27/2008 4:48:14 PM
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I don't know whether or not they would have stoned her, but Joseph did have to sneak off to Egypt to marry her, because Jewish custom compelled Joseph to "put her away."
Not sure where you're getting the idea that Joseph "sneaked off" to Egypt or anywhere else to get married. He and Mary went to Bethlechem from Nazareth because the Roman government gave them no choice in the matter, and they apparently stayed there for upwards of two years (presumably with Joseph's extended family, since it was his town of origin). Matthew's narrative calls Jesus a "young child" rather than a baby, and Herod set the age limit of the massacre at 2 yrs. Joseph and Mary were apparently living as husband and wife for however long they were in Bethlechem, and the reason they left for Egypt was to get as far from territory controlled by Herod as they could. Egypt was the obvious choice, because Herod steered clear of Egypt as much as possible, and there was a large Jewish population in Alexandria, which is most likely where they ended up.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 5/9/2008 5:02:10 PM
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Why is it that such ridiculous ideas that come along some nearly 2000 YEARS after Christ are allowed serious consideration while these same people mock the Gospels which were written in the SAME CENTURY in which Christ lived and died? UNREAL!
That's what makes the Gospels that much more credible because there were EYEWITNESSES ALIVE at that time to discredit any "legends" that may have developed within the Gospels long before we ever read em.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 5/9/2008 5:30:47 PM
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Correct. The funny thing about old biblical law is that they gauged it as rape iff someone heard her call for help, or if there was no one else within earshot of her cries.
I am not so sure that idea is all that funny; it would seem to suggest the need for witnesses, much like modern law.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 5/9/2008 6:27:27 PM
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That's what makes the Gospels that much more credible because there were EYEWITNESSES ALIVE at that time to discredit any "legends" that may have developed within the Gospels long before we ever read em.
Actually, legends had already developed by Paul's time. He refers to them in 1Tim:4. Once legends get going, they can really build. This is how the very real St. Nicholas became the very mythical Santa Claus, and George Washington became the very faultless Father of Our Country who was incapable of so much as one tiny white lie.
Sometimes legends begin even before the person leaves. Gandhi, Elvis, and even JKF had legends build up around their lives and personas in their lifetime, and their legends grew greatly inflated almost immediately following their deaths. Likewise with Christ who, according to the gospels, was variously identified during his lifetime as Elijah come back, John the Baptist, and so forth.
Eyewitness accounts are given much gravity in a court of law, but psychological studies have proven that eyewitness testimonies are very prone to error and confabulation. This does not conclusively discredit the veracity of the gospels, but it does discredit the idea that eyewitness testimony is innately the gospel truth.
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RE: :: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist - 5/9/2008 6:30:57 PM
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I am not so sure that idea is all that funny; it would seem to suggest the need for witnesses, much like modern law.
And in the case of a lack of witnesses, the victim actually got the credit of the doubt.
I said that it was funny because the old law's criteria did not take into account the possibility of a woman being unable to cry for help if she is mute, gagged, or just plain too scared to scream.
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