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SonInMe1 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/28/2008 2:40:31 AM)
quote: These kids proved that parents no longer care about what their kids are doing. I guess they do not want to be bothered. My son is somewhat estranged from me because I "spoiled" his fun when he lived with me by not letting him go out late at night and have girlfriends etc. His marine buddies think he was deprived of something which he was... immorality.

Walker311 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/28/2008 6:39:56 AM)
quote: immorality. How sad that this was the main reason for your estrangement.

walkin2e -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/28/2008 7:39:23 AM)
I was reading in Judges and Chronicles, and one thing jumped out at me. When the king of the land was a man after God's heart, peace and rest were given to the land. An example is King Asa: 2 Chronicles 14 Asa King of Judah 2 Asa did what was good and right in the eyes of the LORD his God. 3 He removed the foreign altars and the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. [a] 4 He commanded Judah to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, and to obey his laws and commands. 5 He removed the high places and incense altars in every town in Judah, and the kingdom was at peace under him. 6 He built up the fortified cities of Judah, since the land was at peace. No one was at war with him during those years, for the LORD gave him rest. One other example comes to mind. In the book of Jonah, when word of destruction came from Jonah, the king of Nineveh believed God, proclaimed a fast, and a city wide prayer meeting to seek God for healing(Jonah Chapter 3). God heard their cries, and changed his mind about their destruction. There is a great spiritual truth here...as the leader goes, so goes the nation, city, business, etc. As Christians, we are taught to pray for our leaders, for our nation, and for one another. We need an old fashioned prayer meeting like the king of Ninevah proclaimed. Can you just imagine if President Bush was to proclaim a time of prayer, kneel himself before the Lord on national television, and call upon the name of Jesus for all to see, and ask the Lord to stretch His healing hand across our land...what a revival we would have! Daniel 2 verse 21 "And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:" Bro Irvin aka walkin2e

Walker311 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/28/2008 6:12:17 PM)
quote: President Bush was to proclaim a time of prayer, kneel himself before the Lord on national television, and call upon the name of Jesus for all to see, and ask the Lord to stretch His healing hand across our land...what a revival we would have! I believe that he sincerely prays for guidance and I understand how most Americans and the world will remember him but overall, I feel that God has guided our president even though I abhor the fact that we went to Iraq. He may indeed shoulder some of the blame for why America is in trouble but one man alone has not brought us here. I would love to see an Asa in the White House but we all know better. A president playing doctor with little boys would fare better than a leader trying to clean house and welcome God back to where He should be.

blue1914 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/29/2008 12:26:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 So, what are some things going on in this nation that has gotten your attention? Take your pick-but I think II Corinthians 12:20-21 applies a little too well INSIDE and OUTSIDE of the church: 20 For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder. 21 I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged. quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 Do you believe that there are darker days ahead or nothing to worry about? We are promised that darker days are ahead until the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (for today's world, the warnings of Matthew 24 are very key). quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 In your opinion, what do you believe is our Nation's biggest problem and what do you believe is the remedy? Matthew 24:9-13 tells us a little about this: 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the *love of most* will grow cold*, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. The solution is simple as a discussion but not as simple in practice: Deuteronomy 6:4-9 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. 5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates. quote:* ORIGINAL: Walker311 Has this year been business as usual for you and your family or do you find yourself needing to form a strategy plan? In the natural, of course right now is a time to panic. If things ever looked bleak, they do right now. The funny thing about it all, just recently the Lord had to show me a real picture of what it means to trust in Him-what it means if NOTHING that you planned on (no strategies, no food stores, NOTHING) was available to you. He elaborates on this in Luke 12:13-26 13Someone in the crowd said to him, "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." 14Jesus replied, "Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?" 15Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions." 16And he told them this parable: "The ground of a certain rich man produced a good crop. 17He thought to himself, 'What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.' 18"Then he said, 'This is what I'll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. 19And I'll say to myself, "You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry." ' 20"But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?' 21"This is how it will be with anyone who stores up things for himself but is not rich toward God." 22Then Jesus said to his disciples: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. 24Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? 26Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest? All in all, my only strategy that I can see is getting rich in the things of God. If He does lead me to prepare physically, then of course I will do so (and I do believe that to an extent He has done so for me, so I purchase just a little more than I need each time I go to the grocery store to make a small stock up, etc.) but that's about it for me and "planning".

Walker311 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/29/2008 2:47:24 PM)
quote: we are promised that darker days are ahead until the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ Yeah! What do we do about it? Well if the bible tells us what is coming, then we plan for it, right? How do you plan for what we are already in? Do you go and make more money so you can drive your car and keep your house or do you downsize to a bike and a camper? Do you not vote for a president because it's not gonna make a difference anyway... except for them? Decisions decisions! Some good Christian folks are freaking out while others hear the news from co-workers. Are people who do not have cable tv, internet, or newspaper subscriptions happier and less stressed? Do we go to church 5 times a week, pray 3 times a day, and make sure we have plenty ammo for our gun? Okay! The simplest and best solution is to trust God and believe that there is a reason to hope. Then, go double bolt all your doors, turn on your outside motion lights, turn on the security alarm, grab your teddy and go nightnight.

ta_mosquito -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/29/2008 4:13:29 PM)
quote: Do we go to church 5 times a week, pray 3 times a day, and make sure we have plenty ammo for our gun? [sm=icon_smile_sing.gif] Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition And we'll all stay free! [sm=icon_smile_sing.gif] Sorry, had to do it. (If anyone doesn't recognize it, it's an old WWI song, if I remember correctly.) [;)]

zamdad -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/29/2008 5:39:08 PM)
quote: Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition And we'll all stay free! Sorry, had to do it. (If anyone doesn't recognize it, it's an old WWI song, if I remember correctly.) How ironic to see this reminder and to be reminded of recent remarks by a presidential candidate about Americans clinging to guns and religion.

humbleinspirit -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/29/2008 9:15:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 I was going to list many things that I have read and heard concerning the reason for my title but I am curious if Christians are apathetic or truly aware of what is going on right now in this nation and I want you to share what you know and believe. So, what are some things going on in this nation that has gotten your attention? Freedom of speech seems to be in great danger these days and the continuing of greed in this Country that causes recessions, etc. Also, the ever threatening terrorism too. quote: Do you believe that there are darker days ahead or nothing to worry about? Definitely darker, but that is Biblical though. quote: In your opinion, what do you believe is our Nation's biggest problem and what do you believe is the remedy? Both of the above: 1-We need to speak up or else be silenced. The next election is going to be another turning point for this Country. I hope that we err on the side of caution. 2-Companies, people need to be more responsible with financial spending, and companies need to start being accountable as well. 3-We need to remain diligent on fighting terrorism and being alert as well. Has this year been business as usual for you and your family or do you find yourself needing to form a strategy plan?

SonInMe1 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (4/29/2008 9:17:56 PM)
Do you think we should start building bomb shelters for the coming Tribulation? Maybe instead of missions our churches should start pooling funds for the persecution that will come? How do you porepare for a world wide earthquake? Wormwood? The seas turning to blood? If these great apostacies, and moral declines and crisis are some sign of the end times....why wasn't the depression? The recession of the 70's? We have work to do...we always have had and always will have, until Jesus comes back. I wouldn't worry about the world as much as I would worry about ourselves and our churches. THAT...is where the trouble really is.....if the church becomes perverted, there is little hope... and THAT will truly usher in the end times. While inroads have been made, its not true perversion yet.

PolarBear -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/2/2008 4:57:05 AM)
I do think there are a lot of problems that are facing the world. Mainly economic and population problems. With the price of energy and food rising so rapidly and increasing demand for it from all over the world, I can't imagine a future generation having the same standard of living as we do. Things must go downhill simply from a supply perspective. There isn't enough to provide everyone what Americans take for granted. And many people in India, China, and elsewhere are becoming economically better-off, and can afford more things. That will make everyone have to settle for less, in the long run. The problem is exasperated by waste and destruction which, when you boil it down, comes from sin. War destroys enormous amounts of resources, and there is no war anywhere that doesn't have sin as its root. (There can be a "right" side to a war, see Deuteronomy 20, but without sin it wouldn't need to be waged in the first place.) Greed, another sin, causes a lot more of the waste. There is a twofold solution -- both parts of the solution rely on Jesus! To solve the basic supply problem, we need to come up with more energy-efficient and space-efficient ways of providing food and other things people need. This is done with better science and clear-thinking scientists. It is God who gives true intellect for this kind of thing. The best scientists have freely confessed God. Science has progressed most while under the influence of a Christian worldview. (That flies in the face of what the secularists want you to believe, but it's true! Until the early 1600s, science had stagnated for centuries under the influence of various religions and philosophies. After the Reformation, until 100 years ago or so, scientists used the principles of objective truth as taught by Christianity to launch science nearly to where we are today.) Solving the problem of war and destruction, we need the Kingdom of God to spread. Jesus is said to be the "prince of peace" and the prophet Micah preducts that "they will beat their swords into plowshares, and spears into pruning hooks." Many believe that is to happen in the millennium after Christ's return. But I am no longer premillennial so I don't agree with that at all. I think it is to happen in this age! I see all kinds of evidence throughout the Bible that God's Kingdom should be expected to increase. And that is what is happening. I agree that we're facing a moral slump now, at least in America, but God's Kingdom is rapidly gaining ground elsewhere. I think mvic hit the nail on the head earlier in this thread. We all need to be asking God what we can do to further His Kingdom! We need to encourage scientists and other thinkers to do it for God's glory and to seek wisdom from Him. And we need to spread the Kingdom around our country and around the world, for the benefit of the people and to lessen the destruction caused by sin.

Walker311 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/2/2008 6:54:10 AM)
quote: I do think there are a lot of problems that are facing the world. Mainly economic and population problems. With the price of energy and food rising so rapidly and increasing demand for it from all over the world, I can't imagine a future generation having the same standard of living as we do. Things must go downhill simply from a supply perspective. These are very good points and I think we all thought about it but just did not expect the reality to hit us in the face and the pocket book. I guess I need to quit watching the news. Locally, someone was using a pump to steal gas from cars at an apartment complex and I saw this morning where Home Depot closes 15 stores and Disney closes 98.

LivingParadox -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/2/2008 4:33:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 quote: we are promised that darker days are ahead until the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ Yeah! What do we do about it? Well if the bible tells us what is coming, then we plan for it, right? How do you plan for what we are already in? Do you go and make more money so you can drive your car and keep your house or do you downsize to a bike and a camper? Do you not vote for a president because it's not gonna make a difference anyway... except for them? Decisions decisions! Some good Christian folks are freaking out while others hear the news from co-workers. Are people who do not have cable tv, internet, or newspaper subscriptions happier and less stressed? Do we go to church 5 times a week, pray 3 times a day, and make sure we have plenty ammo for our gun? Okay! The simplest and best solution is to trust God and believe that there is a reason to hope. Then, go double bolt all your doors, turn on your outside motion lights, turn on the security alarm, grab your teddy and go nightnight. That's what I do... [;)]

StephK -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/2/2008 7:07:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 quote: President Bush was to proclaim a time of prayer, kneel himself before the Lord on national television, and call upon the name of Jesus for all to see, and ask the Lord to stretch His healing hand across our land...what a revival we would have! I believe that he sincerely prays for guidance and I understand how most Americans and the world will remember him but overall, I feel that God has guided our president even though I abhor the fact that we went to Iraq. He may indeed shoulder some of the blame for why America is in trouble but one man alone has not brought us here. I would love to see an Asa in the White House but we all know better. A president playing doctor with little boys would fare better than a leader trying to clean house and welcome God back to where He should be. I doubt Pres. Bush is the main problem we in the US face. He just got stuck on the watch when the chickens came home to roost for previous administrations failures and actions. We don't know the future outcome of this either. Sometimes it takes a while for things to work out as they are supposed to. I mean, how many years did it take for things to get off the ground here during the start of this nation? It did not happen overnight. The media started making this into another Vietnam as soon as they could get by with it. As far as the problems that could be coming up, let's see how things are after the election. A lot of misinformation is being pedaled in order to drive certain agendas. 24 hour news cycles tends to skew perspectives. The US Church could stand a good house cleaning IMO as far as that goes. It's too caught up in entertaining the masses and there will be a reckoning of sorts for that. It will be painful for some but it will also be a time of refining. History shows that there are times of prosperity and times of hardship.

Walker311 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/21/2008 6:45:54 PM)
Wow! Last fall the big news was the price of crude hitting $100 a barrel. Today it sky-rocketed to $134 and there are rumors that it is on it's way to $200. I've seen more SUV's for sale than ever before. More local businesses shutting down. Crime is up! On top of it all, the big oil barrons when pressed for answers before congress, proclaim that the 36 billion in profits so far this year, is not related to the demand for fuel which they say is the reason for the rising prices. IMO, at this rate, this time next year we could see close to $10 bucks a gallon for gas. You heard it here first!

SonInMe1 -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/23/2008 8:34:51 PM)
quote: It's too caught up in entertaining the masses Or maybe some excuse their boring pastor by attacking those...who are not.

StephK -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/23/2008 9:49:49 PM)
quote: Or maybe some excuse their boring pastor by attacking those...who are not. [8\|] A lot of what passes for teaching in the pulpits today isn't.

SinnerSaved -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/24/2008 3:49:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 IMO, at this rate, this time next year we could see close to $10 bucks a gallon for gas. You heard it here first! Here in the UK we are already paying $10.35 for a gallon. You wouldn't believe that our country is a net exporter of oil!

RJR_fan -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/24/2008 8:16:05 AM)
quote: In your opinion, what do you believe is our Nation's biggest problem and what do you believe is the remedy? The willingness of most American Christians to support a rival religion, one that is hostile to Christianity, with a resource far more precious than any earthly goods -- the hearts, minds, and bodies of their children. We are cooperating with a cunningly devised scheme (tax-funded, compulsory, unitarian indoctrination) for our own extermination. And it's working -- today, only 8% of the evangelical kids who came up through the public school system believe the key truths of the Christian message. OTOH, history is always shaped by passionate minorities that are committed to their beliefs. We have millions of children who were not (sur)rendered unto Caesar, who cherish the faith of their parents, and who intend to raise their own children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. So, despite some immediate concerns, the long-range future looks great!

LivingParadox -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/24/2008 12:04:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RJR_fan quote: In your opinion, what do you believe is our Nation's biggest problem and what do you believe is the remedy? The willingness of most American Christians to support a rival religion, one that is hostile to Christianity, with a resource far more precious than any earthly goods -- the hearts, minds, and bodies of their children. We are cooperating with a cunningly devised scheme (tax-funded, compulsory, unitarian indoctrination) for our own extermination. And it's working -- today, only 8% of the evangelical kids who came up through the public school system believe the key truths of the Christian message. OTOH, history is always shaped by passionate minorities that are committed to their beliefs. We have millions of children who were not (sur)rendered unto Caesar, who cherish the faith of their parents, and who intend to raise their own children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. So, despite some immediate concerns, the long-range future looks great! Tis true, this has been going on for 30 plus years and we are now actually seeing the fruit of a secular movement. We've had a full generation come up without the value of each life, the idea there are no absolutes, greed, the means justify the means mentality all emeshed with things which did/do need addressing such as racism, proverty, stewartship of the environment -- We need to speak out for these things but not throw the good in with the bad and hope it comes out in the wash. The times will probably get harder to speak out but it lends the question of a true Christian where your allegience lies...is Jesus your Lord or self (perservation of self from those who would shout you down). But this is nothing new under the Sun as the Bible speaks of a righteous generation followed a wicked one but some how with God being God he got them back on track after much hardship. The only thing I know to do as individuals is that we as Christians stand up for what is right, not in a hard, aggresive way as many secularist do, but as spirit-filled Christians walking faith, power, and love.

RJR_fan -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/26/2008 8:15:32 PM)
quote: The only thing I know to do as individuals is that we as Christians stand up for what is right, not in a hard, aggresive way as many secularist do, but as spirit-filled Christians walking faith, power, and love. You're half-way there. Imagine what we can achieve if we stand up for the Kingdom as families, rather than just as individuals. We stand up for families by eschewing public schools. We stand up as families when we extend hospitality to neighbors, guests, and strangers. What happens in my house is more important than what happens in the White House. God has placed world-changing power in our hands, by entrusting us with spouses and children. May we by His kindness be found faithful.

SinnerSaved -> RE: THE U.S. IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/27/2008 3:01:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RJR_fan What happens in my house is more important than what happens in the White House. God has placed world-changing power in our hands, by entrusting us with spouses and children. May we by His kindness be found faithful. Amen RJR_fan

Phulish -> RE: THE US IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/31/2008 10:33:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mvic Here's a strategy plan: TRUST IN GOD. Wherever you turn these days (including here in the UK) there's bad news and despair. If you and I cultivate Hope instead there will be plenty to rejoice about. And there we have why despotic governments just love religion--it just keeps the populace so nicely pacified while they get away with everything.

inthysite -> RE: THE US IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (5/31/2008 11:50:08 PM)
Here's a point of this topic that has been overlooked, or at least I haven't seen it addressed but I may have missed it. I believe the biggest problem in the US today, yesterday and tomorrow is the division among it's people. We are fighting ourselves, destroying ourselves. One of the greatest things about the US is also it's greatest weakness, the fact that we are a free country, accepting any and all who wish to come here. This is great because we are allowed so many freedoms that other countries don't have. But this is a weakness because we have now become such a multi-cultural country that our beliefs are clashing. Everyone want tolerance for their views/beliefs/religions etc., and they are afforded that because of our constitution, which is great don't get me wrong. However this has caused such an intolerance that we are tearing each other apart. A great quote from Will Durant: "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." Remember, this country is only 232 years old, that is very young in the grand scheme of things. Look through history and see how many "superpowers" thought they would be around forever but are no longer. Look at how these countries fell, not because they were conquered by another country but because of it's own failures and "destroying itself from within" I don't think any one ruling country was "king of the hill" for more than 400 years (I may be wrong, history isn't my strong point), some a lot less than that. Look at Egypt, Persia, Syria, Greece, Rome, France, England, Russia. They are no where near what they used to be. Are we soon to face the same fate? I know that God will provide for my needs and we are not to be anxious or worry about anything, my point is don't get too comfortable or too used to all the luxuries that you enjoy now. Everyone loves to quote the following verse: And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus. (Php 4:19 NASB) But they always overlook the verses just prior to this: I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. (Php 4:12-13 NASB) So just because God will supply all our needs does not mean that we will not suffer, does not mean that we will not go hungry. Yes, Christ will grant us the strength to endure the hard times but there will still be hard times. For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, (Php 1:29 NASB)

Walker311 -> RE: THE US IS IN BIG TROUBLE!!! (6/1/2008 8:54:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: inthysite One of the greatest things about the US is also it's greatest weakness, the fact that we are a free country, accepting any and all who wish to come here. This is great because we are allowed so many freedoms that other countries don't have. But this is a weakness because we have now become such a multi-cultural country that our beliefs are clashing. Very good post!

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