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Fortydays -> Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 4:48:08 PM)

If God is ALL powerful and can make anything he wants...and if God made a us with the ability to sin, then I suppose you shouldn't be surprised when they do sin. And is it the creation that should be blamed for that? Or the creator?
Why also would God make us able to sin and then be upset if we do sin and possibly send us to hell.



mvic -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 5:05:04 PM)

He may have made us with the ability to sin - but He also made us with the ability to choose right from wrong. That's the gift He gave us: Choice.

If we choose sin - why do we blame it on Him?

If you misuse your car - do you blame it on the manufacturer?



greatdivide46 -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 5:09:29 PM)

God also made us with the ability to sin and to not sin. Then he graciously gave us the free will to choose. I don't think God would have created us otherwise because I don't believe he wanted puppets. He wanted fellowship with beings who would choose to fellowship with Him, or not.



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 5:43:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fortydays

If God is ALL powerful and can make anything he wants...and if God made a us with the ability to sin, then I suppose you shouldn't be surprised when they do sin. And is it the creation that should be blamed for that? Or the creator?
Why also would God make us able to sin and then be upset if we do sin and possibly send us to hell.


Well depending on how you want to look at it, while we may have been created with the ability to sin, we weren't meant to. It wasn't until the fall of Adam, that we knew right from wrong:
22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

With this said, I am guessing that before this, man didn't know how to sin. Now that we do, we were also given free will. So it is by our own choices that we choose to do evil. So no one is to blame but us. God made us this way, I believe, because by choosing to love God, and not having to love Him, maybe it means more to Him.



Liveloved -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 5:48:51 PM)

He wants to be glorified by our CHOOSING to love Him more than ourselves and to choose not to sin. Love that is a choice, freely chosen and given, is the only love there is. He wants us to choose Him.



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 5:56:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved

He wants to be glorified by our CHOOSING to love Him more than ourselves and to choose not to sin. Love that is a choice, freely chosen and given, is the only love there is. He wants us to choose Him.

well said



UBarW -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 5:57:42 PM)

I heard someone say recently "If God guides us, they how come we still stumble? The answer? God guides us but we take the steps".

I wish I had thought of it that way.



Rumely -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 6:09:58 PM)

Why do we have children when we know they will dirty their diapers and will behave in ways that will require discipline and knowing that, despite our best hopes and efforts, they may turn out rebellious and destructive? Of course, we don't have God's omniscience and omnipotence, but I think parenthood offers us a glimpse into the heart of God. People keep trying to boil it all down to some mathematical formula. It's not about cold calculations, but about the passionate expressions of a creative Being. And, if we're talking about calculations, is it not possible that an omniscient Being might have made us the way we are because it is necessary to do so to produce the work He desires? Is it not possible that even our sin and rebellion have been taken into account and will also be used to express His Glory? Is it not also possible that He, being omniscient and omnipotent, might have a more comprehensive perspective on how all the pieces fit than we?



gmc4Jesus -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 6:12:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved

He wants to be glorified by our CHOOSING to love Him more than ourselves and to choose not to sin. Love that is a choice, freely chosen and given, is the only love there is. He wants us to choose Him.


Right on. God gave us free will because if we have the freedom to choose to love Him, then our love is greater than if we were forced to love Him. That meant that God had to restrain His power in order for us to have the freedom to choose. Is that not, in and of itself, a tremendous risk, sacrifice, act of love?



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 6:18:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rumely
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Is it not possible that even our sin and rebellion have been taken into account and will also be used to express His Glory? Is it not also possible that He, being omniscient and omnipotent, might have a more comprehensive perspective on how all the pieces fit than we?


so true, we always try explain away what we have no knowledge of. God did create us this way. He has his reasons. I think that through our sin that leads us to His grace, we can truly have a great impact for others around us. All for the glory of God. Isn't the testimony of a cold hearted sinner turning to a relationship with our Lord, such a powerful example of what God can do.



small_creation -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 7:03:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rumely

Why do we have children when we know they will dirty their diapers and will behave in ways that will require discipline ...


I sure wish someone had asked me that before I had three of the little rats.
[8D]

j



URForgiven -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/28/2008 7:33:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fortydays

If God is ALL powerful and can make anything he wants...and if God made a us with the ability to sin, then I suppose you shouldn't be surprised when they do sin. And is it the creation that should be blamed for that? Or the creator?
Why also would God make us able to sin and then be upset if we do sin and possibly send us to hell.


Love is risky business. In order to be loved there must be freedom to not love. It was and is mans choice not to love God, by saying to himself the same thing Lucifer had said to himself..."I will make myself God". This is the story of Eden. It is the story of us all.

It is the Creator who should be praised not blamed; for long before molding man from dust, God had already planned the solution.

1 Peter 1:19-21

"But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God."



Conquered -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/29/2008 2:38:42 AM)

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If God is ALL powerful and can make anything he wants...and if God made a us with the ability to sin, then I suppose you shouldn't be surprised when they do sin. And is it the creation that should be blamed for that? Or the creator?
Why also would God make us able to sin and then be upset if we do sin and possibly send us to hell.


Paul had an answer for these questions though many cannot accept it because it destroys the notion of "free will."

One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' " Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? -Romans 9:19-25

God saw a better glory for himself on the other side of a sinful humanity: The revelation of Jesus Christ who conquered death and hell and died for sinners so that the glorious love and mercy of God might be made known as he reconciles, as he restores the relationship between lost sinners and himself.



heavensmailman -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/29/2008 7:09:19 AM)

When is love, Love?
When one chooses to love, not forced to love!
We can choose to sin or choose to love him.
True love come from God our Father.
We can show him true love only when we choose not to sin.
We do sin, but he loves us so much that he sent his Son to save us from our sins.
Remember, Not my will, but your will Father!

Peace



iamjc-s -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/30/2008 11:25:27 AM)

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Why also would God make us able to sin

Because God didn't want robots & with out choice we would be.
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siapa -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/30/2008 12:30:40 PM)

Say, I remember reading the news about someone "sueing" God...What was he thinking??? I think that guy is the stupidest of all creations!!! God is The Almighty, having The Ultimate Power....who are we to even think of doing such a ridiculous act?



TJStarfire -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/30/2008 1:17:55 PM)

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If God is ALL powerful and can make anything he wants...and if God made a us with the ability to sin, then I suppose you shouldn't be surprised when they do sin.


GOD didn't create man with the knowledge of good and evil woman brought that to man.
We all have problems using that knowledge instead of resisting the use of it.



terryjohn -> RE: Question I have to explain to someone...help? (4/30/2008 3:52:30 PM)

It is not about sin, it is about unbelief. For sins are but consequences of unbelief. That is even if it were to be sinless but have no faith you would still be damned as a sinner for your unbelief. Now why God has allowed us to be saved by faith and faith alone is important in that to whom much is given much is required, hence, there really is no salvation for satan since he saw the glory of God and sought to take it as his own. That is why they say it is impossible to restore someone who claims to have according to Hebrews 6:4 ... who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. No wonder scripture says no man can see the face of God and live. Hence, God could make us perfect but it really dis satan no good for there would be no grace available and apart from that God is looking for those that willing love Him and not those who are forced to love Him.

Now under faith we have a valid excuse for our sins and grace is only possible where faith exists. Now the sins we committ are forgivable for as Paul points out "1 Cor. 13: 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." And here the last prayer of Christ on the cross is also important when He says, Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing!

John 9:39 Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." 40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?" 41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

At present we are stunned that while we were but sinners Christ died for us! And now we find that without faith and love it is impossible to please Him. You see there is no other gods and we must all come to terms with God being our Father. Now some of us want to make up our own minds and this is what God has graciously allowed so that no man should find himself in Gods presense unwillingly. Those of us who wish to be seperated from God shall have our wishes graciously granted but in doing so shall be seperated from those things that only God can provide namely; love, light, comfort, peace, joy, fellowship. You see in the end we will all see that we have no one to blame but ourselves for having cut ourselves off from so great a love as Christ's. Yes we will be tormented by our own stupidity and not by God for ever.



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