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gaylel1 -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/4/2008 5:53:11 PM)
I just hope this is a rumor, and if it is fact, Disney is doing a double standard because of the Vanessa Hudgens stunt which she flashed her nude photos on the internet. Hudgens gotten a slap on the wrist because of this and is making HSM3. If Miley is axed, they should have done the same with Hudgens.

Tinkerbell_ -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:23:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaylel1 I just hope this is a rumor, and if it is fact, Disney is doing a double standard because of the Vanessa Hudgens stunt which she flashed her nude photos on the internet. Hudgens gotten a slap on the wrist because of this and is making HSM3. If Miley is axed, they should have done the same with Hudgens. Technically Vanessa Hudgens didn't 'flash' her pictures on the Internet. They were made specifically for her boyfriend only. His friend got a hold of them and plastered them all over the internet. And yes, it was wrong of her to pose like that for a man that wasn't her husband, but I don't think we have ever heard her say she is or isn't a Christian, have we?

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 12:50:06 PM)
I guess now we have to figure out if something you regret and you call a mistake is a sin... Given the quotes someone isn't telling the truth regarding the parents and Miley and the person who took the pictures... There seems to be an issue of content... "I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed." "We discussed the picture in that context before we shot it. The photograph is a simple, classic portrait, shot with very little makeup, and I think it is very beautiful," said Leibovitz in a comment released through Vanity Fair John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 12:51:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Qtman Until someone can give me some definitions that make sense I will continue to defend this child. What the child needs to be defended from are the people around her(and probably herself), not anyone here... John

OLEEguacamole -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 1:18:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe Given the quotes someone isn't telling the truth regarding the parents and Miley and the person who took the pictures... There seems to be an issue of content... "I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed." "We discussed the picture in that context before we shot it. The photograph is a simple, classic portrait, shot with very little makeup, and I think it is very beautiful," said Leibovitz in a comment released through Vanity Fair John this does make sense. the person with the camera had something in mind and her own sense of style, art, and decency. it is not so strange that the cyruses looking at the photos later then perceived the level of provocativeness. we don't know if Leibovitz was intentionally pushing past the limits she thought the family would be comfortable with. many people would see those portraits as modest and classic. the photographer well knows what looks sexy even when the model does not, and is skilled in getting that look.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 3:35:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mrsdash quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe Given the quotes someone isn't telling the truth regarding the parents and Miley and the person who took the pictures... There seems to be an issue of content... "I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed." "We discussed the picture in that context before we shot it. The photograph is a simple, classic portrait, shot with very little makeup, and I think it is very beautiful," said Leibovitz in a comment released through Vanity Fair John this does make sense. the person with the camera had something in mind and her own sense of style, art, and decency. it is not so strange that the cyruses looking at the photos later then perceived the level of provocativeness. we don't know if Leibovitz was intentionally pushing past the limits she thought the family would be comfortable with. many people would see those portraits as modest and classic. the photographer well knows what looks sexy even when the model does not, and is skilled in getting that look. We are past what people think... The person in the picture says it was a mistake... The person who took the pictures is saying everyone was on the same page regarding the pictures, yet Miley is acting like she had no idea what the picture looked like till everyone else did... (I guess she was on another planet during the shoot) As for her surprise regarding the content... Heh... Given the other photos of her on the net I am not buying into that.. There are conflicting stories and on the news the dad said he wasn't there the whole time, yet the person who took the pictures said otherswise... John

OLEEguacamole -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 4:08:58 PM)
in camera and final result are different. the final post process result has lighting which adds to the sultry feel of the photo. hair people lighting people makeup people all buzzing around you and people giving directions. Leibovitz did a innocent rendition of miley compared to the normal nude/semi nude covers etc that she shoots. the cyrus family likely got a bit of education from this shoot. do all of the photos existing of miley fit my sensibilities, no but i'm addressing the surprise element here. i think there is some validity to it.

sjd2008 -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 5:46:02 PM)
quote: in camera and final result are different. the final post process result has lighting which adds to the sultry feel of the photo. hair people lighting people makeup people all buzzing around you and people giving directions. Very true. I've actually worked as a photographer and there are times that you really don't see the final results until you see the print. Also remember that during a shoot there might be 10,20,30 or more shots taken of the same pose. You'll never see the outtakes, but some of them are probably interesting as well. quote: Leibovitz did a innocent rendition of miley compared to the normal nude/semi nude covers etc that she shoots. True, as I've said before, she is well known for some very edgy work. This shot is tame in comparison to the vast body of her work. Her specialty is portraiture for a very good reason,she has a reputation as being easy to work with. quote: the cyrus family likely got a bit of education from this shoot. do all of the photos existing of miley fit my sensibilities, no but i'm addressing the surprise element here. i think there is some validity to it. I suspect that the biggest surprise that they've had is the public reaction. Frankly, reading some of the public comments from people was probably quite eye opening. Some of the comments have been out right rude.

McFatty -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 5:58:09 PM)
Apparently it's against the rules to give our brothers and sisters in Christ the benefit of the doubt anymore when they say something. People almost always automatically assume anyone in the spotlight, Christian or otherwise, is lying and in the wrong.

sjd2008 -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 6:02:55 PM)
quote: We are past what people think... The person in the picture says it was a mistake... The person who took the pictures is saying everyone was on the same page regarding the pictures, yet Miley is acting like she had no idea what the picture looked like till everyone else did... (I guess she was on another planet during the shoot) As for her surprise regarding the content... Heh... Given the other photos of her on the net I am not buying into that.. There are conflicting stories and on the news the dad said he wasn't there the whole time, yet the person who took the pictures said otherswise... If you've never been to a magazine photo shoot it can be controlled chaos. Miley was not a professional model. Professional models have a very good "body sense". That means that they know what their body is doing and how it looks to the camera. Miley, not having this experience, probably didn't know exactly how the images were going to look. I realize that some people don't believe this, but different people have different interpretations of the same image. I would imagine that the Cyruses did like the images at first. Did not see them in the same light as the public and now see them from a different side. As far as the "underwear " photos are concerned, they were meant to be PRIVATE photos, Whoever leaked them to different blogs is not to be trusted anymore. I think THAT'S the real lesson that the Cyruses have learned.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 7:22:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mrsdash in camera and final result are different. the final post process result has lighting which adds to the sultry feel of the photo. hair people lighting people makeup people all buzzing around you and people giving directions. If I didn't know better I would believe the girl just got off the bus from some small town and got her first picture taken... Heck... If they wanted something for the cover they could have downloaded a picture from her cell phone... quote: Leibovitz did a innocent rendition of miley compared to the normal nude/semi nude covers etc that she shoots. Wow... As if this amounts to anything... Of course it should have clued the Cyrus family in, but I guess they are just some stupid hicks who never been to the big city before... [8\|] quote: the cyrus family likely got a bit of education from this shoot. Yes.... This is surely something new to the family...[8\|] Photo shoots, hair people lighting people makeup people all buzzing around you and people giving directions... Oh wait.. I believe her dad was a big country music star... Right? quote: do all of the photos existing of miley fit my sensibilities, no but i'm addressing the surprise element here. i think there is some validity to it. Like I said... Given the SEXUAL nature of her pulling her shirt down to expose her bra and breast in a picture, pics of her in underwear is very suggestive shots say otherwise...Not to mention ones where she is playing around with another girl... Surprise? No... Regret because people are squawking... Even to the point of conflicting statements... THe pictures were bad enough, but to run from them as if herself and her family were ambushed by them? No... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 7:27:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sjd2008 I suspect that the biggest surprise that they've had is the public reaction. Frankly, reading some of the public comments from people was probably quite eye opening. Some of the comments have been out right rude. I wonder who read the comments to them? From what I read on this thread the Cyrus family are clueless... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 7:39:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sjd2008 If you've never been to a magazine photo shoot it can be controlled chaos. Miley was not a professional model. I have, and that's not always the case... And Miley while not a professional model she does have a fair amount of time in front of cameras... If I only had your words to go by I would think this is the first time she ever had her picture taken... quote: Professional models have a very good "body sense". That means that they know what their body is doing and how it looks to the camera. Miley, not having this experience, probably didn't know exactly how the images were going to look. You mean the ones the photographer said her and the family went over? quote: I realize that some people don't believe this, but different people have different interpretations of the same image. I would imagine that the Cyruses did like the images at first. Did not see them in the same light as the public and now see them from a different side. Ok.... In the image where she pulls down her top and shows off her bra and the top of her breast... What is your interpretation? It's called the Cover Your Butt view... The cash cow is taking a hit... Damage control time... quote: As far as the "underwear " photos are concerned, they were meant to be PRIVATE photos, Whoever leaked them to different blogs is not to be trusted anymore. I think THAT'S the real lesson that the Cyruses have learned. As if taking those photos and passing them around to friends is ok... They are no less wrong in private as they are in private, and passing them to FRIENDS removes the private tag... Some pictures were taken by herslef, but others weren't... And what lesson did they learn? They went from having pictures of Miley of the sexual nature from her private collection being views to ones of her in a national magazine... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 7:41:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty Apparently it's against the rules to give our brothers and sisters in Christ the benefit of the doubt anymore when they say something. People almost always automatically assume anyone in the spotlight, Christian or otherwise, is lying and in the wrong. When they say conflicting things they don't allow for the benefit of the doubt... John

McFatty -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 7:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty Apparently it's against the rules to give our brothers and sisters in Christ the benefit of the doubt anymore when they say something. People almost always automatically assume anyone in the spotlight, Christian or otherwise, is lying and in the wrong. When they say conflicting things they don't allow for the benefit of the doubt... John Have you never said anything conflicting, even on accident?

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:02:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty Apparently it's against the rules to give our brothers and sisters in Christ the benefit of the doubt anymore when they say something. People almost always automatically assume anyone in the spotlight, Christian or otherwise, is lying and in the wrong. When they say conflicting things they don't allow for the benefit of the doubt... John Have you never said anything conflicting, even on accident? This thread isn't about me... And given that I have (who hasn't) doesn't change what is going on and that it's wrong... As well it has to do with the subject as a whole... The denial is interesting... John

McFatty -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:07:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty Apparently it's against the rules to give our brothers and sisters in Christ the benefit of the doubt anymore when they say something. People almost always automatically assume anyone in the spotlight, Christian or otherwise, is lying and in the wrong. When they say conflicting things they don't allow for the benefit of the doubt... John Have you never said anything conflicting, even on accident? This thread isn't about me... And given that I have (who hasn't) doesn't change what is going on and that it's wrong... As well it has to do with the subject as a whole... The denial is interesting... John I fully understand the subject of the thread, but the question was relevant in that we all know that everyone makes mistakes. Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none). A person is a person, no matter how public their lives may be. There is none who is righteous, not even (a famous) one. Everything Jesus taught us about how to deal with others also applies to public figures.

earthless -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:14:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty There is none who is righteous, not even (a famous) one. Everything Jesus taught us about how to deal with others also applies to public figures. Yet they make their living off of the TMZ's of our day.. so I don't pity them when they cry about how "rough" life is when the cameras are flashing as they go to the latest boutique or hot spot. Getting back to the current subject matter - where did Miley ever proclaim to be a Christian?

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:27:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty I fully understand the subject of the thread, but the question was relevant in that we all know that everyone makes mistakes. Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none). Really... So you let you children(if you have them) play with the pedophile down the street? Remember, don't judge...[8\|] I bet if we really got down to it we'd find they we make judgment all day long... Eternal ones?No... Temporal ones? All the time, if not we'd be in the Topless Bar getting drunk... quote: A person is a person, no matter how public their lives may be. There is none who is righteous, not even (a famous) one. Everything Jesus taught us about how to deal with others also applies to public figures. Jesus taught look the other way and don't judge? I guess God waited till Paul was heaven before He told he was wrong to judge Peter about his pride... By all means give the brother and sister the benefit of the doubt in regards to that little sin that didn't seem all that bad, but if and or when it turns into something really bad ask yourself if you are your brothers keeper... John John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:30:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthless quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty There is none who is righteous, not even (a famous) one. Everything Jesus taught us about how to deal with others also applies to public figures. Yet they make their living off of the TMZ's of our day.. so I don't pity them when they cry about how "rough" life is when the cameras are flashing as they go to the latest boutique or hot spot. Getting back to the current subject matter - where did Miley ever proclaim to be a Christian? http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080325/31677_'Hannah_Montana'_Star:_I_Do_Everything_for_Jesus.htm 'Hannah Montana' Star: I Do Everything for Jesus By Elena Garcia Christian Post Reporter Tue, Mar. 25 2008 05:17 PM ET [-]Text[+] E-mail Print RSS More on Topic �Hannah Montana� star Miley Cyrus and her best friend Mandy Jiroux have dedicated their Easter installment of "The Miley and Mandy Show" on YouTube to Jesus, saying everything they do is for him. Related 'Hannah Montana' Star Says Faith Keeps Her Grounded In the video, Jiroux, 20, who performs as a back-up dancer for the popular teen star, reads a question from a fan who asked if the girls were Christian. The squeaky-clean duo emphatically respond, "Yes!" "Yes! We love Jesus!" says Cyrus, 15, as she nods her head in agreement. "Happy Easter, by the way. He died for our sins. That's how awesome he is. "Jesus rocks! That's why we do what we do," the Hannah Montana star adds. "She (Mandy) dances for Jesus. I sing, dance and act for Jesus! ... Now that I think about it, I do everything for Jesus. We make the YouTube videos for Jesus. We�re all about it." Her comments should come as no surprise to fans who have been following her career. Cyrus, who plays a high school teen with an alter-identity as a pop singer on the hit Disney Channel show, has been very vocal about her faith. She recently credited her family and faith for keeping her grounded in an interview with TV presenter Barbara Walters that aired for the Oscars. �Some people don�t have a family to fall back on, like I have, and that�s when something greater than even that comes in � and that�s faith and that�s what I have for me,� Cyrus told Walters, according to ABC News. �That�s what keeps me strong.� In an appearance on Oprah last year, Cyrus had also mentioned church as the source of her strength. When asked to name her favorite Bible verse, she referred to Ephesians 6:10-11, stating "Finally, my brother, come close to the Lord for if you put on the full armor of God you can stand against the wiles of a devil." Her most recent movie release, "The Hannah Montana & Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert Tour," has grossed over $63 million. Cyrus' next project will be "The Hannah Montana Movie,� slated for a May 2009 debut.

earthless -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:32:45 PM)
OK, thanks for letting me know she has claimed to be a Christian.

sjd2008 -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:37:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthless quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty There is none who is righteous, not even (a famous) one. Everything Jesus taught us about how to deal with others also applies to public figures. Yet they make their living off of the TMZ's of our day.. so I don't pity them when they cry about how "rough" life is when the cameras are flashing as they go to the latest boutique or hot spot. Getting back to the current subject matter - where did Miley ever proclaim to be a Christian? Correction...TMZ makes their money off of our prurient interest in celebrities. Frankly, I find the tendency to elevate celebrity gossip to the level of actual news to be very disturbing. I also find the tendency for Christians to be hyper critical of other Christians who have made mistakes to be sad and contradictory. It's interesting that when people quote scripture about being judgmental it doesn't seem to make any difference.

McFatty -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:37:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty I fully understand the subject of the thread, but the question was relevant in that we all know that everyone makes mistakes. Just because the person in question is a name many people recognize doesn't give us license to judge her more than we would judge anyone else (which is supposed to be none). Really... So you let you children(if you have them) play with the pedophile down the street? Remember, don't judge...[8\|] I bet if we really got down to it we'd find they we make judgment all day long... Eternal ones?No... Temporal ones? All the time, if not we'd be in the Topless Bar getting drunk... quote: A person is a person, no matter how public their lives may be. There is none who is righteous, not even (a famous) one. Everything Jesus taught us about how to deal with others also applies to public figures. Jesus taught look the other way and don't judge? I guess God waited till Paul was heaven before He told he was wrong to judge Peter about his pride... By all means give the brother and sister the benefit of the doubt in regards to that little sin that didn't seem all that bad, but if and or when it turns into something really bad ask yourself if you are your brothers keeper... John John How does not judging turn into getting drunk? I also never said anything about looking the other way. We don't need to get facetious here. You're taking two different things and putting them together. Is there a difference between listening to apologies or someone's profession of faith and taking their word for it, and being an irresponsible parent? Sure there is, unless you seriously think that not disbelieving everything someone says just because they're famous and allowing your children to play with a registered sex offender is the same thing. I seem to think it's different. There's also a difference between talking to your brother or sister in Christ about a sin you believe they're struggling with and judging his or her character on a public forum.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:38:16 PM)
More... http://www.christianitytoday.com/tc/2008/001/1.19.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342610,00.html LOS ANGELES � At just 15, Miley Cyrus is a multi-millionaire mogul not just for her music but for her film, fashion and entrepreneurial endeavors; however, the pop princess has managed to stay sane (and sensible) amid her very adult-like life and credits Christianity for her good behavior. "I think it�s my faith that keeps me grounded, especially because I�m a Christ follower for sure," Cyrus told us. "Live like Christ and he�ll live in you, and that�s what I want to do." But even though our Hannah Montana previously told the press that she�s never really had a boyfriend, the young starlet seems very skilled at writing about relationships. Interesting... http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080501/32199_Miley_Cyrus_Photo_Flap_Prompts_Calls_for_Action_Against_Harmful_Media_Messages.htm

McFatty -> RE: Should Christian Entertainers Have High Moral Standards? (RE: Miley Cyrus and Others) (5/5/2008 8:39:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sjd2008 quote: ORIGINAL: earthless quote: ORIGINAL: McFatty There is none who is righteous, not even (a famous) one. Everything Jesus taught us about how to deal with others also applies to public figures. Yet they make their living off of the TMZ's of our day.. so I don't pity them when they cry about how "rough" life is when the cameras are flashing as they go to the latest boutique or hot spot. Getting back to the current subject matter - where did Miley ever proclaim to be a Christian? Correction...TMZ makes their money off of our prurient interest in celebrities. Frankly, I find the tendency to elevate celebrity gossip to the level of actual news to be very disturbing. I also find the tendency for Christians to be hyper critical of other Christians who have made mistakes to be sad and contradictory. It's interesting that when people quote scripture about being judgmental it doesn't seem to make any difference. That's something I've tried to work on. I know I'm not a perfect man, so who am I to judge the character or the life of another?

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