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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/29/2008 5:33:01 PM
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JimboFletch
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Actually, when I was in Thailand last year, I saw Muslim women wearing burqas with these tied-on metalwork face masks that concealed all but their mouths.
Interesting. Fascinating, actually. And the women wore gloves, heavy socks, and mostly, trousers and closed-toe shoes under the heavy dark-coloured burqas.
In Bangkok in 100-degree, 100% humidity.
Aoi.
I grew up in a Baptist church (not "Southern") that would have considered that to be women with the proper attitude and appropriate attire.
The temperature and humidity was often the same, too.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 11:02:05 AM
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Since sarcasm is subjective sometime there is honest disagreement on whether a statement is such or not.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 11:44:44 AM
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In order for sarcasm as humor to translate onto the written page (or screen), the writer must have a great deal more talent than most posters possess 
On forums, ninety-nine times out of a hundred, sarcasm just comes across as snarkiness.
IRL, it is usually easier to spot, but not all people "get it," and misunderstandings and hurt result.
For that reason alone, we should avoid it, as Christians. (I am as guilty as the next person, though  )
But sarcasm is my spiritual gift! 
Was that sarcasm?
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 11:54:10 AM
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Since sarcasm is subjective sometime there is honest disagreement on whether a statement is such or not.
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Some see sarcasm where it does not exist, and others deliver it with out knowing they do.
Between the difficulties involved in listening and the trouble we have talking, it's amazing we ever figure out what anyone else is saying.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 12:00:19 PM
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I prefer wit....biting humor. If ya can make 'em laugh...and think....its all good.
Sarcasm has a hurtful selfish purpose behind it. A bitterness we should not practice, in my opinion.
Is sarcasm good or bad in and of itself? I think sarcasm can be witty, or it can be biting. It can be used well to lighten the discussion, or it can be used to cut down to size. It can also be used towards yourself, to acknowledge your error in a humorous way.
Like, "If I had taken the time to drink all of my coffee this morning, maybe I could get this." That is sarcastic, but certainly not offensive. At least to me it isn't.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 12:24:30 PM
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Very few things are bad in and of themselves. The heart and the intent behind a thing makes it what it is.
IMO sarcasm usually doesn't have a loving intent, your example excluded of course. Sarcasm directed at one's self would seem to be fine to me, and a witty comment that everyone can enjoy sure can lighten the air.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 2:22:25 PM
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I think it has to do a lot with our personality. Some of us are more humourous, others are more serious or even when they post here they are hurting and looking for a concrete matter-of-fact answer.
If we learn to take things lightheartedly rather than seriously and remember that we are all different, and unique; we would be more acceptable of each other.
Of course this excludes RUDE remarks, or lack of respect or harsh criticism or degrading someone to make the other person feel good about themselves or any other nasty or mean intention.
Humour or wit is supposed to make us laugh, draw a smile on our face. If something does not produce anything of these fuzzy warm feelings, an individual is justified to feel indignant.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 5:33:07 PM
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And yes, both would have most likely been tossed out on their ear from most Christian forums.
I don't think they would have been tossed out because of sarcasm though. I think they would have been tossed out for upsetting the 'religious establishment'.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 5:34:28 PM
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I think for the most part sarcasm is used to purposefully demean or try to humiliate the other person in some way. I don't think it is acceptable for christians to do this.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 5:35:23 PM
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I think for the most part sarcasm is used to purposefully demean or try to humiliate the other person in some way. I don't think it is acceptable for christians to do this.
Even Paul or Jesus?
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 5:41:06 PM
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I don't think Jesus or Paul purposefully demeaned or humiliated.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 5:54:34 PM
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I meant that in the sense that in both of them I see a purpose more of redemption than an intent to do harm. Strong words are occasionally called for if one's ears aren't inclined to hear easily. That's fine. I think though that we of the non-divine/non-apostolic population resort to strong words too fast.
I agree with SD - most sarcasm as it's used today in the U.S. is intended to inflict a wound. I don't think that was Paul's intent or Christ's.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 5:58:14 PM
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I meant that in the sense that in both of them I see a purpose more of redemption than an intent to do harm. Strong words are occasionally called for if one's ears aren't inclined to hear easily. That's fine. I think though that we of the non-divine/non-apostolic population resort to strong words too fast.
I agree with SD - most sarcasm as it's used today in the U.S. is intended to inflict a wound. I don't think that was Paul's intent or Christ's.
What do you make of God's grilling of Job, then?
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 5:59:22 PM
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I meant that in the sense that in both of them I see a purpose more of redemption than an intent to do harm. Strong words are occasionally called for if one's ears aren't inclined to hear easily. That's fine. I think though that we of the non-divine/non-apostolic population resort to strong words too fast.
I agree with SD - most sarcasm as it's used today in the U.S. is intended to inflict a wound. I don't think that was Paul's intent or Christ's.
What do you make of God's grilling of Job, then?
Again, geared toward redemption and not the intention to inflict a wound.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 6:18:07 PM
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I meant that in the sense that in both of them I see a purpose more of redemption than an intent to do harm. Strong words are occasionally called for if one's ears aren't inclined to hear easily. That's fine. I think though that we of the non-divine/non-apostolic population resort to strong words too fast.
I agree with SD - most sarcasm as it's used today in the U.S. is intended to inflict a wound. I don't think that was Paul's intent or Christ's.
What do you make of God's grilling of Job, then?
Again, geared toward redemption and not the intention to inflict a wound.
Ok, but it seems pretty intent on demeaning and humiliating Job if you ask me, even if the ultimate objective is redemptive.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 6:25:48 PM
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Interesting. I get a different idea when I read it. To me, it's clearly redemptive.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 6:26:32 PM
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I meant that in the sense that in both of them I see a purpose more of redemption than an intent to do harm. Strong words are occasionally called for if one's ears aren't inclined to hear easily. That's fine. I think though that we of the non-divine/non-apostolic population resort to strong words too fast.
I agree with SD - most sarcasm as it's used today in the U.S. is intended to inflict a wound. I don't think that was Paul's intent or Christ's.
What do you make of God's grilling of Job, then?
Again, geared toward redemption and not the intention to inflict a wound.
Ok, but it seems pretty intent on demeaning and humiliating Job if you ask me, even if the ultimate objective is redemptive.
I believe that God has rights we don't.
You know...He is the Potter, we are the clay...
Putting us and our communications in the same category of God and Jesus is kinda prideful to me.
And I'm not Paul. Yet.
Aoi.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 6:27:32 PM
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And I'm not Paul. Yet.
Aoi.
Slacker. ;)
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 9:20:10 PM
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Actually, no. Christians should avoid sarcasm. It's mean.
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RE: Should Christians Be Sarcastic? - 4/30/2008 9:50:22 PM
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I think for the most part sarcasm is used to purposefully demean or try to humiliate the other person in some way. I don't think it is acceptable for christians to do this.
Even Paul or Jesus?
No, I was meaning on forums. I was referring to the forums because that's the place I hear the most sarcasm and it usually seems mean.
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Paul once used sarcasm to indicate that he just didn't have the virtue to overlook gross sin like the church he was writing to.
Yes, he was being sarcastic. But in that case it seems his sarcasm was about himself in order to make a point and not aimed at ridiculing or putting down others.
I don't see where Jesus used sarcasm. He spoke truth and even called the Pharisees names, but I don't see where he said it sarcastically. But I'm still looking.
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