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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:07:47 PM
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ChristopherJ
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During that time, one of our youth leaders, a young man named Geoff Schulkowsky, prayed for a young man to be raised from the dead (he had died of a drug overdose), and God raised him from the dead! So - God's still healing the sick and performing mighty signs and wonders today. Are there counterfeits? Sure there are. But let's not discount the real just because of the fake!
Surely, if that did happen, there is documentation. May we see it? Please include the death certificate and a medical declaration that the young man was brought back to life after a physician's pronunciation of death. Seems like something like that would have made the news. Did it?
Thank you.
I do not have any death certificate. All I know is that when Geoff found the man in the parking lot of the gas station where he worked - he was dead. No pulse. Not breathing. He prayed for God to raise him from the dead, and he came back to life. Why is that so hard to believe? There was another time during this revival that this young man, Geoff and I - and one of the students in our youth group - a 16 year old named David - prayed for a man who was blind. How do we know he was blind? His eyes were covered over with a grey cloud. As David took the lead in praying for him - seven times - his eyesight colour returned to normal, and he could see! We asked him if he could read the clock on the other side of the room, and he told us exactly what time it was. (The clock was so small and far away we had to go across the auditorium to confirm he had said the right time). Do I have a doctor's note verifying this miracle? No. But one thing I know - this man was blind, and now he sees! Jesus is the Lord who heals us, and He's still performing miracles today.
Incidentally, even if I had been able to produce a death certificate for that other fellow, there are many of those here who wouldn't have believed it anyway...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:13:00 PM
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During that time, one of our youth leaders, a young man named Geoff Schulkowsky, prayed for a young man to be raised from the dead (he had died of a drug overdose), and God raised him from the dead! So - God's still healing the sick and performing mighty signs and wonders today. Are there counterfeits? Sure there are. But let's not discount the real just because of the fake!
Surely, if that did happen, there is documentation. May we see it? Please include the death certificate and a medical declaration that the young man was brought back to life after a physician's pronunciation of death. Seems like something like that would have made the news. Did it?
Thank you.
I do not have any death certificate. All I know is that when Geoff found the man in the parking lot of the gas station where he worked - he was dead. No pulse. Not breathing. He prayed for God to raise him from the dead, and he came back to life. Why is that so hard to believe? There was another time during this revival that this young man, Geoff and I - and one of the students in our youth group - a 16 year old named David - prayed for a man who was blind. How do we know he was blind? His eyes were covered over with a grey cloud. As David took the lead in praying for him - seven times - his eyesight colour returned to normal, and he could see! We asked him if he could read the clock on the other side of the room, and he told us exactly what time it was. (The clock was so small and far away we had to go across the auditorium to confirm he had said the right time). Do I have a doctor's note verifying this miracle? No. But one thing I know - this man was blind, and now he sees! Jesus is the Lord who heals us, and He's still performing miracles today.
Incidentally, even if I had been able to produce a death certificate for that other fellow, there are many of those here who wouldn't have believed it anyway...
When the only verifiable information about a person being raised from the dead proves that Bentley lied, why would anyone in their right mind believe him about events that have absolutely no documentation?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:15:20 PM
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When the only verifiable information about a person being raised from the dead proves that Bentley lied, why would anyone in their right mind believe him about events that have absolutely no documentation?
My post had nothing to do with either Todd Bentley or any of his claims.. I was sharing a personal testimony from my life and ministry... perhaps you misunderstood me?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:17:20 PM
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During that time, one of our youth leaders, a young man named Geoff Schulkowsky, prayed for a young man to be raised from the dead (he had died of a drug overdose), and God raised him from the dead! So - God's still healing the sick and performing mighty signs and wonders today. Are there counterfeits? Sure there are. But let's not discount the real just because of the fake!
Surely, if that did happen, there is documentation. May we see it? Please include the death certificate and a medical declaration that the young man was brought back to life after a physician's pronunciation of death. Seems like something like that would have made the news. Did it?
Thank you.
I do not have any death certificate. All I know is that when Geoff found the man in the parking lot of the gas station where he worked - he was dead. No pulse. Not breathing. He prayed for God to raise him from the dead, and he came back to life. Why is that so hard to believe? There was another time during this revival that this young man, Geoff and I - and one of the students in our youth group - a 16 year old named David - prayed for a man who was blind. How do we know he was blind? His eyes were covered over with a grey cloud. As David took the lead in praying for him - seven times - his eyesight colour returned to normal, and he could see! We asked him if he could read the clock on the other side of the room, and he told us exactly what time it was. (The clock was so small and far away we had to go across the auditorium to confirm he had said the right time). Do I have a doctor's note verifying this miracle? No. But one thing I know - this man was blind, and now he sees! Jesus is the Lord who heals us, and He's still performing miracles today.
Incidentally, even if I had been able to produce a death certificate for that other fellow, there are many of those here who wouldn't have believed it anyway...
Well praise God for those miracles. A big difference here is you are going around get publicity on these "events." God still moves, and works. There is a difference between God moves and the counterfits. Your statement that Jesus is the Lord who heals is key. As long as Jesus is uplifted and Jesus is truely the center. I have no problem. I do not see that as the case. We truely have the grounwork being laid for many things with the counterfit that is happening.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:19:07 PM
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Somehere there was a comment about a young man that "rose from the dead" during his wake. Surely there would be a death notice in the paper about this individual's funeral services. This individual would have a death certicate. I am sure the funeral home would be somewhat upset at losing a customer.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:19:21 PM
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When the only verifiable information about a person being raised from the dead proves that Bentley lied, why would anyone in their right mind believe him about events that have absolutely no documentation?
My post had nothing to do with either Todd Bentley or any of his claims.. I was sharing a personal testimony from my life and ministry... perhaps you misunderstood me?
Yes, I guess I did misunderstand. Many of your previous posts seem to have been defending Bentley's "revival", and since this thread is about that revival, I had assumed your last post was also related.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:26:35 PM
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do not have any death certificate. All I know is that when Geoff found the man in the parking lot of the gas station where he worked - he was dead. No pulse. Not breathing. He prayed for God to raise him from the dead, and he came back to life. Why is that so hard to believe?
Well, because after working in several ER's, I've seen many OD's who appeared dead but were not. Sometimes pulse and respirations are so faint they can't be detected without medical equipment. Just because those patients appeared dead, I don't claim that any of them were raised from the dead when the doctor's revived them or they revived on their own...just sayin'!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 12:57:44 PM
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All I know is that when Geoff found the man in the parking lot of the gas station where he worked - he was dead. No pulse. Not breathing. He prayed for God to raise him from the dead, and he came back to life.
Let me get this straight. He prayed...well, good. But he didn't administer CPR or call 911 (or whatever it is in Canada)?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 1:16:59 PM
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After finally catching up from over the weekend I ask myself this question:
"How many times does one have to be commissioned?"
and, "Why does it have to be so public to legitimize the commissioned,
and the commissioner?"
Hey, that's an idea for the next new movement -- THE COMMISSIONERS!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 1:41:55 PM
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FACT every time that Jesus raised someone from the dead (and note that in the bible only JESUS rose people from the dead, the apostles and diciples did/could not), there were dozens of eye witnesses to the fact that A) a person died, and B) it was Christ Jesus who performed the miracles. If you say a guy found another dead guy, prayed, and the dead guy was alive. If there was no one else who saw that, it does NOT line up with scripture in that if it was a miracle of God, and ALL miracles are for the GLORY of God, then more people would have saw this event take place. There WOULD be medical evidence in todays world.
Remember, if it does not match with scripture then it is NOT of God. And yes, Satan CAN perform miracles to deceive the world, but remember his will not line up with God's word.
Actually, Stephanos, your post shows an ignorance of God's Word. Here are some facts - from the Scriptures!
FACT - Jesus was not the only person in the Bible who raised people from the dead.
1. He commissioned His disciples to go and do the same things He did:
"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease... And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
2. Peter raised a woman named Tabitha from the dead. (see Acts 9:36-43).
3. Paul raised a boy named Eutychus from the dead. (see Acts 20:7-12).
4. Some people believe Paul was raised from the dead. (see Acts 14:19-20). I realize this one is debatable, but I throw it in for your consideration...
FACT - People were raised from the dead even in the Old Testament.
1. Elijah raised a boy from the dead. (see 1 Kings 17:17-24)
2. Elisha raised a boy from the dead. (see 2 Kings 4:18-37).
Let's let all that we believe be based on God's holy, infallible Word, and not on our denominational doctrines or the traditions of men!!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 1:43:04 PM
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All I know is that when Geoff found the man in the parking lot of the gas station where he worked - he was dead. No pulse. Not breathing. He prayed for God to raise him from the dead, and he came back to life.
Let me get this straight. He prayed...well, good. But he didn't administer CPR or call 911 (or whatever it is in Canada)?
He prayed, and without administering CPR or any sort of first aid, the man sat up and lived! Glory to God!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 1:46:48 PM
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My post had nothing to do with either Todd Bentley or any of his claims.. I was sharing a personal testimony from my life and ministry... perhaps you misunderstood me?
Yes, I guess I did misunderstand. Many of your previous posts seem to have been defending Bentley's "revival", and since this thread is about that revival, I had assumed your last post was also related.
Although I believe strongly in healing and miracles, signs and wonders, prophecy and revival, I am not here to defend the Lakeland Revival. As I have mentioned in an earlier post, I do not believe that it has some of the earmarks of a genuine revival (i.e. preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified, preaching repentance, etc).* My intentions in this post are only to encourage people to not 'throw out the baby with the bathwater' when it comes to believe in a supernatural God.
*edit - "Not to mention some of the other issues that have been raised already in this forum." :)
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 2:28:22 PM
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I have deleated my last post as I admit I was mistaken on who performed the acts of raising from the dead.
I admit that.
But I would like to continue with the thought that this miracle was intended to SHOW the glory of God. If no one else can independently back up that someone was dead, then how can we know he was risen from the dead. I can claim I raised someone from the dead, and with no witnesses to that fact, you could not prove me wrong could you? In fact, I want you to prove that I have not risen someone from the dead. Can you do that? Or do you need the actual proof? Do you need people to say "I know this person is/was dead." And then see that person alive.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 2:31:31 PM
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BEFORE we even get to any of these so-called miracles... how do Todd supporters reconcile the fact that Todd is a false prophet and a false teacher?
A Mormon can raise people from the dead all day and all night - all verified - does not mean I am going to say he is a Christian.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 2:51:23 PM
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Signs & Warnings
Florida Outpouring Revival Concerns Pentecostal Leaders
from The Ledger
"I saw a lot of passion from (Bentley), but there was too much hype. I just don't feel I can endorse something that's being exaggerated," said Reggie Scarborough, pastor of Family Worship Center in Lakeland, a charismatic congregation that frequently practices faith healing. "We hear about the dead being raised, but we don't know who they are or where they are."
Strader: "People looking for a problem or a heresy, they're going to find it."
Strader acknowledged there have been some missteps and that the leaders have made "a small amount of adjustments." They no longer say people have been healed, only that people are "claiming to be healed," he said. In one case, there was a hoax.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 3:13:09 PM
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I have deleated my last post as I admit I was mistaken on who performed the acts of raising from the dead.
I admit that.
But I would like to continue with the thought that this miracle was intended to SHOW the glory of God. If no one else can independently back up that someone was dead, then how can we know he was risen from the dead. I can claim I raised someone from the dead, and with no witnesses to that fact, you could not prove me wrong could you? In fact, I want you to prove that I have not risen someone from the dead. Can you do that? Or do you need the actual proof? Do you need people to say "I know this person is/was dead." And then see that person alive.
Stephanos,
Thank you for your admission... in regards to evidence for miracles, as was mentioned before, even if we could produce incontrovertable proof, there would still be people who would not believe. How can we determine whether or not miracles that are taking place are from the Lord or counterfeit miracles from the enemy? Look at the lifestyle and teachings of the person who allegedly performed the miracle, and that will help. Jesus said we would know them by their fruit (and not by their gifts... :)).
In regards to the story I shared with you, I can speak personally on behalf of Geoff (the young man who raised the dead). He is a strong believer and loves the Lord Jesus. He is committed to living a life of holiness. He prays, reads His Bible, and Jesus is the Lord of his life. He walks in honesty and integrity. I have no cause to disbelieve his claims. The result of this man being raised from the dead was a resounding praise and worship and glory being given to our loving powerful God. God was glorified! Geoff never took any glory for himself, in fact will seldom speak of the fact, because he is a humble man of God.
The whole of Christianity is about being witnesses for Jesus - testifying to what we have seen Him do in our lives, and the lives of others. If you were to testify to me and say that Jesus saved you, that He delivered you from addictions in your life, that he strengthened your marriage relationship, or gave you peace in your heart and life, I would be a believer and not a doubter, and I would praise God with you. (as a side note, there is another thread in the general forum here where people are sharing miracles of what God has done in their lives, and I rejoice with them!).
You have the freedom to choose to be a believer or a doubter, but as Christians we are called to be believers - to believe in the goodness of the Lord, and the reality of His miracle working power transforming lives today. This does not mean that in a situation like the Lakeland Revival we do not examine the fruit and the message being preached. However, the story I have shared with my friend Geoff is totally different from what is going on in Lakeland.
Looking forward to dialoguing with you more about this...
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 3:14:18 PM
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A Mormon can raise people from the dead all day and all night - all verified - does not mean I am going to say he is a Christian.
Amen earthless - I'm with you on this one!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 3:15:11 PM
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in regards to evidence for miracles, as was mentioned before, even if we could produce incontrovertable proof, there would still be people who would not believe. How can we determine whether or not miracles that are taking place are from the Lord or counterfeit miracles from the enemy? Look at the lifestyle and teachings of the person who allegedly performed the miracle, and that will help. Jesus said we would know them by their fruit (and not by their gifts... :)).
A resounding amen!
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 3:54:08 PM
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Greetings prophetica, ........, cyberjewels, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
You have 100 pages to address if you're going to say Todd Bentley is a true teacher of God's Word. What say you?
Scripture also tell us there will be a great apostasy in the last days, not a great revival, and Satan can do signs and wonders. The way to know which is which is from the teachings - Todd's do not pass the test of Scripture.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 4:04:33 PM
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I care very little about how you judge others in your self appointed humanistic courts. This is written. It is The Lord who Judges us, Blessed are you when people write 100 pages of hogwash concerning things that they do not understand and when they speak evil against you because The Son of Man has his Work in You.
If you speak for your glory, to gain honor for yourself; what is Jesus doing through you to give Glory and Honor to God? His Kingdom, His Choices, His Way. One God.
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Greetings prophetica, ........, cyberjewels, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
You have 100 pages to address if you're going to say Todd Bentley is a true teacher of God's Word. What say you?
Scripture also tell us there will be a great apostasy in the last days, not a great revival, and Satan can do signs and wonders. The way to know which is which is from the teachings - Todd's do not pass the test of Scripture.
God will NEVER do something in someone or through someone that goes against His Word. Thus in that, Todd Bentley is not working for our Lord and Savior because his actions are in violation OF God's word.
BTW, since you dont know who Earthless is, it is very ignorant of you to try and question what God is doing in his life. As it were, in this thread, there have been multiple posts where earthless has given his testimony and shared what God is doing in his life. If you are to lazy to go back and read them, and rather instead spread false accusations, then you have no business on this thread let alone forum.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 4:09:06 PM
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Grace would not be Grace is written. Why don't we give some room to others to enjoy it for awhile as well?
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I care very little about how you judge others in your self appointed humanistic courts. This is written. It is The Lord who Judges us, Blessed are you when people write 100 pages of hogwash concerning things that they do not understand and when they speak evil against you because The Son of Man has his Work in You.
If you speak for your glory, to gain honor for yourself; what is Jesus doing through you to give Glory and Honor to God? His Kingdom, His Choices, His Way. One God.
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Greetings prophetica, ........, cyberjewels, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
You have 100 pages to address if you're going to say Todd Bentley is a true teacher of God's Word. What say you?
Scripture also tell us there will be a great apostasy in the last days, not a great revival, and Satan can do signs and wonders. The way to know which is which is from the teachings - Todd's do not pass the test of Scripture.
God will NEVER do something in someone or through someone that goes against His Word. Thus in that, Todd Bentley is not working for our Lord and Savior because his actions are in violation OF God's word.
BTW, since you dont know who Earthless is, it is very ignorant of you to try and question what God is doing in his life. As it were, in this thread, there have been multiple posts where earthless has given his testimony and shared what God is doing in his life. If you are to lazy to go back and read them, and rather instead spread false accusations, then you have no business on this thread let alone forum.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 4:14:35 PM
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Greetings! I heard that The Lord has been drop kicking healings again to some! Where is the wise man, the scholar of this age, has not The Lord confounded mans knowledge? Johnathan Whitfield had some responses to the ministry that The Lord produced through him, too. 'Sinners in the hands of an angry God'. Some have been preaching Judgment on America; it is written instead that Judgment starts with The House of God. One person was said to show up to the meetings because he knew that Whitfield was a believer, though, even if he was lacking in faith.
Actually, that sermon was preached by Jonathan Edwards, and it was not a response to anything other than sinful living and the need for salvation through Jesus Christ. You can't compare Bentley to Edwards. That would be like comparing Bozo the clown to Einstein.
People grabbed the back of the pews in front of them, fearing they would sink into hell before the sermon was over. Bentley preaches nothing as convicting, or as necessary.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 4:36:05 PM
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earthless
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Greetings prophetica, ........, cyberjewels, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
Is it wrong for any of us to ask you, a supporter of Todd Bentley, to simply address the concerns we have documented for all to study?
Are you saying we, as Christians, are not allowed to judge another's teachings and claims? Especially when they fly in the face of biblical Christianity?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 5:45:53 PM
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gmc4Jesus
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Signs and Wonders instead of the Word of God?
Although signs and wonders, miracles and healings are great things (except when they are a hoax), do we sometimes get a little too caught up in these things and sometimes miss the really important stuff?
I know that the purpose behind the miracles and events at Lakeland is meant to lead people to Christ, but as I have observed in many other charismatic events, way too often, the focus is on the emotional experience and not solidly enough on Scripture. Sometimes, the only Scriptures mentioned are those that support the signs and wonders. It is not that Scripture and the Gospel are not proclaimed, but that so much emphasis is placed on the emotional aspect and the healing, that the healing of sin in one's life is lost in the events of the meetings.
Isn't our salvation based on what Jesus did on the cross whether there are any other signs and wonders to accompany it? Do signs and wonders actually add to the testimony when evidence is produced that some are hoaxes or when non-christians (even Satanists) can do similar things?
On the one hand, I pray for the good that the Lakeland event is having and don't want to come down too harshly on it and those who are seeking to use it to build Christ's Church. However, it plays to the emotionally religious much more than to those who don't even know the Gospel.
What would attract a non-believer to become a believer and get into a Bible study (that is not limited to the charismatic emphasis) and get them really grounded on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 6/30/2008 6:02:20 PM
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Kat_D
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don't want to come down too harshly on it and those who are seeking to use it to build Christ's Church.
Could you expound on who exactly "those" are?
Thanks.
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