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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 3:30:56 PM
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NEW ZEALANDERS, PLEASE CRY OUT TO GOD FOR HIS MERCY. OH GOD, SEARCH US, TRY US AND SEE IF THERE BE ANY WICKED WAY IN US. WE WANT YOUR TRUTH AGAIN IN OUR LAND NO MATTER HOW PAINFUL OR WHAT THE COST IS. JESUS, PLEASE CONVICT US OF SIN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUDGEMENT.
WE NEED YOUR WORD AGAIN IN THIS LAND. THERE IS SUCH A DEARTH FOR YOUR WORD OH GOD. IS THERE NONE IN THIS LAND THAT WILL STAND UP AND PREACH THE TRUE GOSPEL. IS THERE NONE THAT WILL STAND IN THE GAP. ARE ALL GREEDY FOR GAIN, LOVER'S OF SELF AND HATERS OF TRUTH. WHERE, OH WHERE ARE THE MEN OF GOD!!!! HAVE ALL BEEN BEWITCHED BY JEZEBEL. WHY DO THEY BELIEVE THE LYING PROPHETS....
......IS THERE NONE THAT DESIRE TRUTH IN THE INWARD PARTS.
WHERE ARE THOSE WITH BROKEN AND CONTRITE HEARYS? ARE THEIR NONE THAT HEAR GOD? WHERE ARE THOSE THAT HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING? WHERE ARE THOSE THAT KNOW THE FATHER'S HEART? WHERE ARE THOSE THAT CARE FOR THE WIDOW AND ORPHANS.....WHERE ARE THE TRUE SHEPHERDS THAT WILL LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR THE SHEEP?.....FATHER I'M SO SORRY WE HAVE STRAYED SO FAR FROM YOU. WE ARE A DISOBEDIENT AND REBELLIOUS PEOPLE...WE HAVE EARS TO HEAR BUT DO NOT HEAR, WE HAVE EYES TO SEE BUT DO NOT SEE.....I'M WEARIED, SO WEARIED WITH CRYING OUT TO YOU NIGHT AND DAY.....WHY DO YOU DELAY.....PLEASE COME LORD JESUS, PLEASE COME....HAVE MERCY ON US, OH GOD, HAVE MERCY, PLEASE HAVE MERCY.....
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 3:36:47 PM
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I am a pastor's wife and have not seen good fruit in our church from this revival. My heart has been grieved by what has been displayed and then has been reproduced. My desire is not to rip Mr. Bentley to shreds. I would simply like to share the Word in light of this revival because the Word seems to be lacking severely and also in the people who are embracing it.
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We MUST test all things. If we are not allowed to test or hold one into account there is a problem.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 3:52:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: bluestone
 I could have this wrong, but I think Corne is saying we can give people a martyr complex if we don't stick to the facts and correct any statements of the topic we find we are in error on. I think the interpretation of Bentley's tattoos was one of those issues.
And, if we react hysterically, or use explosive words when describing the videos, we turn off those who may be looking for answers about the situation.
When some do not like the message they attack the messenger. In this type of thread we have repeatedly come across this type of posting wherein words are being said that are not agreed with so the way it is said becomes a sideways way of objecting to it.
We are nowhere told to "pet the sheep", and I'm not trying to be mean here but it takes a lot to stretch reasonable comments into martyr-making accusations.
For those who may not leave this website or who do not engage others in real life on this subject, supporters of Lakeland are very emotional about the "supernatural", the "worship", the "salvations" and a close look finds these things to be debateable in their function and reality.
The Lakeland "show" deserves to be combatted from the perspective of its unbiblical teachings and also from anything else the pro-TB crowd is giddy about.
Todd's tattoos have been put forth as some kind of evidence that God will use different-looking people. Criticism has gone overboard in places but whether God is using TB for a "healing revival" in the first place is the larger issue; but look how the distraction works--those crying for the tattoo criticism to stop have missed entirely that Bentley has used that "martyrdom" before one word was said about it.
Roy is not good. He is often off-key and people who have worked in music and sound are more qualified to make that observation--it's their part to play that role.
I wonder how the "sheek-a-boom-ba" t-shirt sales are going? I haven't been able to google them up, does anyone know if they are for sale at the meetings?
If observations of how slick the stage management and song preparation are cut into someone's idea of "God" directing some spontaneous worship down there, let those leaves fall where they may. In exuberant, euphoric, revival-desiring silliness some have left reality at the door.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:06:52 PM
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Quoting AW Pink . . .
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The Lord's command in Mark 4:24 is "take heed what ye hear". Corrupt nature is thoroughly in love with error and will more readily and eagerly receive false rather than true doctrine. Should any dispute this statement, we would refer them to Jeremiah 5:31: "the prophets prophesy falsely and the priests bear rule by their means; and My people love to have it so". Said Christ unto the Jews, "because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not" (John 8:45): what a commentary on fallen human nature - had He preached lies they would have promptly received Him.
Alas, what is man: he will run greedily after something new and sensational, but is soon bored by the old story of the Gospel.
How feeble is the Christian, how weak his faith, how fickle and unstable the moment he is left to himself. Peter, the most courageous and forward of the apostles in his profession, denied his Master when challenged by a maid. Even when given a heart to love the Truth, we still have "itching ears" for novelties and errors, as the Israelites welcomed the manna at first, but soon grew weary of it and lusted after the fleshpots of Egypt.
Real and urgent then is our need to heed this command,
"Beware of false prophets."
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:06:59 PM
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Why are some treating this as if it were all one big bowl of subjective goo?
We have the concrete and absolute Word of God - the Bible.
I for one don't. (who is exactly?) I have made it clear that proper judgments can and should be made.
Off the top of my noggin? Cyberjwls (formerly known as prophetica, formerly known as ..........., formerly known as propheta, ad nauseam). And the scores of people that have emailed me or left me some very pleasant comments.. some of which I have shared on here for all to read (in case you missed them).
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:08:14 PM
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A lot of finger pointing about the baptism videos yesterday. No one calmly said, this is what would be biblical and this is what was wrong. It was offered as "see, what a freakshow, I told you this was bad." (except for the in the name thing which really didn't....hold water...if you looked closely and honestly. What the ten minute baptism video was supposed to affirm in error, I can't figure out.
Why were all those people getting baptized? They made no confession or proclamation of salvation. The ones he asked would say something non-sensical like "I wan-it, I wan-it!" already shaking like something out of a Poltergeist movie. Of course there was the youg guy from Bentley's church in Canada who seemed to be up there auditioning for a part in the stage show. The last straw for me was when the poor little 9 year old girl came up to be baptized because she wants to be healed of a lazy eye. What??!?!?! Can anyone find me a Biblical basis for baptism for healing? The hysteria and delusion in that room was heartbreaking.
Craziness (criticise away) aside...a couple of exceptions aside, salvation WAS an issue. The ten minute video shows that.
Salvation from what and from whom? When the jesus preached is not the Jesus of Scripture..
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:13:53 PM
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In other words, don't talk to me about accurate reporting, I've got truth to defend?
How would you feel about reading a book by a Christian author critiquing a ministry if verified errors were contained in it? Would that author shine as credible? Full of integrity? A trustworthy source? Would it be okay IF the ministry REALLY REALLY needed critique?
It's truth that sets free. It shouldn't be polluted.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:20:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: wintery
I wonder how the "sheek-a-boom-ba" t-shirt sales are going? I haven't been able to google them up, does anyone know if they are for sale at the meetings?
Don't forget the sheekaboomba ringtone.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:25:23 PM
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Salvation from what and from whom? When the Jesus preached is not the Jesus of Scripture..
The perfect out. The official objection was, "where is the confession of faith and repentance?" To say that it is not there is inaccurate. To critique the message, method, the potential lack of proper discipleship in the future...is different. If these people bring their lives to Jesus in the presense of a false prophet, it doesn't count? They heard about repentence, they heard about the cross and following Jesus. They think they are calling on the Jesus of the bible.
It seems to me, the problem is not legitimate salvation, but rather who and what will disciple them after. Who will instruct them further? Who will lead them into truth?
Shall we throw the babies out with the bathwater? Do the babies even matter?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:27:39 PM
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Sorry, I don't see Corne endorsing Bentley. Just urging caution in how we approach the subject.
Caution is something I can understand, but from what I have seen Corne expects people to make wild stretches to excuse what is going on at Lakeland i.e. Todd Bentley didn't really mean to baptize people in the name of "BAM", so it is OK. The MC wasn't really serious when he said Bentley baptized people in the name of "BAM-BAM", it was just a joke, etc... and yet that same stretching doesn't seem to every go the other way; those who are alarmed by these things like not sticking to the facts, reacting hysterically, or using explosive words. Yet, the facts that we are accused of not sticking to are far more subjective i.e. we didn't accept the idea that an editor made it look like Bentley said something he didn't, we didn't accept the idea that the MC was joking, etc..
An additional noteworthy point is that Corne has never once answered the question about whether he/she believes the Lakeland revival is a work of God. And when every post is a defense against the criticisms of Lakeland, some requiring huge leaps of faith to accept, it does come across as a little insincere when it is said that no endorsement of Bentley is being made.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:31:58 PM
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They heard about repentence, they heard about the cross and following Jesus.
Where and from whom are they hearing about repentence, the cross and following Jesus?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:37:48 PM
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It was contained in the ten minute baptism video linked.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:39:28 PM
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If these people bring their lives to Jesus in the presense of a false prophet, it doesn't count?
Even Paul acknowledge that people can come to Christ through a false prophet, but that doesn't mean we should ever endorse their ministries. We should as mature believers in Christ be helping those who have become caught up in these false ministries get out, and into a ministry and discipleship that will really help them grow in their faith.
Can God use false prophets, and false teachers to bring men to Christ, YES. Is that the method he choose most often? NO!
When someone comes to faith in Christ through the preaching of the Mormon church (something I have seen happen), should we encourage them to stay there because that is where they first heard the word of God, or do we recognize the great danger to their faith that is present when they hear a lie every week mixed with a little truth and encourage them to get involved in a church that truly teaches the word of God?
And I guess the million dollar question, do you acknowledge that Bentley is a false teacher?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 4:47:33 PM
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FIRST BOOK on the LAKELAND REVIVAL - CONTROVERSIAL!!
The book is called "True & False Revival". It is written by Andrew
Strom, the founder of Revivalschool.com and the international
'Revival' List. Andrew was involved for 11 years in the same
Prophetic movement as Todd Bentley - until he quit in anguish
over the unbiblical and bizarre things going on in that movement.
As an insider, Andrew questions a lot of the 'angels', the gold
dust, and "revivals" like the one in Florida. Read the FACTS to
find out why. What is real Revival? And how do we tell the true
from the false? The answers are found in this provocative book.
From the Amazon reviews:
DANIEL: "If I had read a book like this 15 years ago, I might have
spared myself and my loved ones a lot of grief. Andrew doesn't
just write about Lakeland... His accounts of historical revivals
make for some of the most powerful reading I have come across...
After reading this book, I cannot accept the notion by some, that
it was simply written to 'bag-out' the Lakeland revival. Rather this
book brings much-needed scrutiny and a call for honest examination
and discernment; but it also addresses deeper issues: what does
God require of us, what is REAL revival and what will it take to
bring a piercing message of repentance to our many churches
that are asleep in sin?"
PHILIP (PASTOR): "I have been a pastor for 34 years and have
been involved with the charismatic camp for 30 years... had people
who have been to Toronto Airport Christian Center speak in my
church, have been to conferences and meetings will all types of
manifestations. And yet I have had questions about the fruit I saw
in people's lives.... This is a book that should be read thoughtfully
and prayerfully by all Christians, especially pastors and leaders."
CLAUDIA: "A must read"
DAPHNE: "This was a great book. I went to the Florida Outpouring
and everything that Strom has written is true."
book
Anyone read this yet? Any comments?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 5:03:23 PM
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They heard about repentence, they heard about the cross and following Jesus. They think they are calling on the Jesus of the bible.
I have watched over a dozen GodTV broadcasts of the Lakeland events and the above has not been done once. I guess I need to watch more of them? We're bordering the line of similarity with those that are at a Mormon event and think they are calling on the real Jesus, the One revealed in Scripture.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 5:41:27 PM
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Todd's tattoos have been put forth as some kind of evidence that God will use different-looking people. Criticism has gone overboard in places but whether God is using TB for a "healing revival" in the first place is the larger issue; but look how the distraction works--those crying for the tattoo criticism to stop have missed entirely that Bentley has used that "martyrdom" before one word was said about it.
I know there's a lot of talk about the subject matter of Todd's tattoos, but a lot of what I've read about them is distorted and sometimes inaccurate. To me, what his tattoos are isn't important. To me, what is important about them is that they prove he's a liar. They are new--as in, he got them all in the last couple of years. God didn't choose someone who looked "different"...which is what TB claims. Therefore, he's a liar. And if he lies about something stupid like that, who could trust him to tell the truth about anything?
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 7:07:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: Corne
If these people bring their lives to Jesus in the presense of a false prophet, it doesn't count? They heard about repentence, they heard about the cross and following Jesus. They think they are calling on the Jesus of the bible.
And a few of them very well may be calling on Jesus and may get hooked up with someone who can disciple them and put them on the right track. But how many more are going up there to be "baptized" not because they're dedicating their life to Christ, looking for redemption, but looking for some miracle from the "healing guy" - I guarantee a lot of those people would've gotten in that line if it was a line for getting root canals if they thought he'd touch/smack/punch them when they got to the front of the line. They weren't "led" to be baptized, I don't even think they had any clue what that was about or what it was for...they were trying to get to Todd Bentley.
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They heard about repentence, they heard about the cross and following Jesus.
Where and from whom are they hearing about repentence, the cross and following Jesus?
Who exactly is being lifted up in these meetings? I've not heard him preach about any of that - only himself in the little bit of preaching he does between the yelling and laughing.
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I have watched over a dozen GodTV broadcasts of the Lakeland events and the above has not been done once. I guess I need to watch more of them? We're bordering the line of similarity with those that are at a Mormon event and think they are calling on the real Jesus, the One revealed in Scripture.
I certainly haven't endured as much of it as you have - the one night I watched and a couple clips posted here were all I could stomach. But I didn't see Jesus move in Lakeland. Lakeland hasn't seen Jesus move in that city. God's not doing this; forget the antics, we don't have to look further than the fruit - or the lack thereof.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 7:39:11 PM
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IT GETS MUCH WORSE
There is a revival in Brooklyn Center MN. This guy has been going between USA and Australia. He crashed his RV while "reviving" cross country and nearly killed his family. He uses this to claim healing powers now. I met one of the leaders at my zoo in Minnesota. I will publish this heretical movement soon, to warn others. Yes I have researched it. I feel there may be others like this to a greater or lesser degree. When I challenged this very nice leader he never responded and just fell off the map. I will return with more.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 7:50:57 PM
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IT GETS MUCH WORSE
There is a revival in Brooklyn Center MN. This guy has been going between USA and Australia. He crashed his RV while "reviving" cross country and nearly killed his family. He uses this to claim healing powers now. I met one of the leaders at my zoo in Minnesota. I will publish this heretical movement soon, to warn others. Yes I have researched it. I feel there may be others like this to a greater or lesser degree. When I challenged this very nice leader he never responded and just fell off the map. I will return with more.
I'm sorry, I know we're trying to keep it serious and topical here - but sometimes the stuff going on is just so absurd it's hard to not get mental images. So since the RV wreck, is he like a superhero now or what? I guess it's the way you worded it above but it totally sounds like something out of a comic book.
...If I didn't laugh I'd cry (again).
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 11:54:38 PM
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I'm watching an ABC News thing on this guy right now. There's a certain level of WOF teaching that I hear around me but none of it is ever actually like commanding God to work. This bothers the **** out of me considering I'm praying for a revival in my city (Orlando) and I don't want to see this guy lead people astray.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/9/2008 11:55:09 PM
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IT GETS MUCH WORSE
There is a revival in Brooklyn Center MN. This guy has been going between USA and Australia. He crashed his RV while "reviving" cross country and nearly killed his family. He uses this to claim healing powers now. I met one of the leaders at my zoo in Minnesota. I will publish this heretical movement soon, to warn others. Yes I have researched it. I feel there may be others like this to a greater or lesser degree. When I challenged this very nice leader he never responded and just fell off the map. I will return with more.
This is the guy that made me start doing all my research.
I like in Minneapolis, and I knew of people that were going to see him. . . and I just felt off about it, and one thing led to another, and now I guess I'm a heresy hunter.
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/10/2008 7:23:53 AM
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Todd's tattoos have been put forth as some kind of evidence that God will use different-looking people. Criticism has gone overboard in places but whether God is using TB for a "healing revival" in the first place is the larger issue; but look how the distraction works--those crying for the tattoo criticism to stop have missed entirely that Bentley has used that "martyrdom" before one word was said about it.
I know there's a lot of talk about the subject matter of Todd's tattoos, but a lot of what I've read about them is distorted and sometimes inaccurate. To me, what his tattoos are isn't important. To me, what is important about them is that they prove he's a liar. They are new--as in, he got them all in the last couple of years. God didn't choose someone who looked "different"...which is what TB claims. Therefore, he's a liar. And if he lies about something stupid like that, who could trust him to tell the truth about anything?
A few weeks back someone brought me a 2003 Extreme Prophetic DVD with Todd Bentley in what would be the pre-tattoo days--he was fully suited in Africa, I never caught what country, if he said. Todd had a stage and a big banner hanging above it. He was having people step up and give their "healing" testimonies. Then there was some off-stage interaction as well. There was a man who had an eye that appeared to have no sight in it. I couldn't understand the language he spoke in. Todd said that there had been no eye in the socket. The eye did not look well but Todd said there had been no eye in the socket. There was a boy who looked about 7 or 8 years old to me. Todd said the little boy had never heard in his life. TB was bending down and whispering in the boys ear to say "Jesus" and the boy was saying "Jesus" quite loudly, then Todd threw his hands in the air and shouted, "He's never heard!" A closer look, in fact a pause in the video, shows that Todd had his hand and fingers wrapped around the boy's neck as if to hold him in the camera shot. One hand was around the back of the neck and the other was in front holding the microphone in front of the child's mouth. A photographer or interviewer should not and does not do this to any child or anyone. The little guy did not look happy. Todd was more interested in making a good video than in how uncomfortable his "ministry" was making the child. The handling of this little guy was the only objectionable physical interaction I recall, unlike the kneeing, etc that Todd's doing at his Lakeland venue. But it makes me nauseous to think of it.
So what was his story on his appearance then? That he needed to be fully suited for "God" to use him? I wish you all could see the DVD for comparison. Five years ago he seemed less sure of himself as made his claims where now he boldly stares into the camera. He had a very mild-mannered presentation then. Taking all that testimony of angel this and that and just comparing five years ago, TB vs. TB, you have to wonder what happened. Bentley has changed his appearance, changed the way he acts, plus has a "great" talking point--"revival".
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/10/2008 8:29:42 AM
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Sorry, I don't see Corne endorsing Bentley. Just urging caution in how we approach the subject.
I don't need caution. There is no "middle of the road" or "wait and see" approach here.
I've seen plenty of video, audio and text, to convince me that Todd Bentley is a demon posessed psychopath, and the Lakeland Revival is NOT God ordained, but the devil himself orchestrating a freak show to turn people FROM Almighty God.
I have no shame or reservations in saying that. So....BAM!...fire away....
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"This would be the first step in apostasy; men first forget the true, and then adore the false.".......C.H. Spurgeon
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/10/2008 10:33:31 AM
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Kat_D
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ORIGINAL: Corne
Shall we throw the babies out with the bathwater? Do the babies even matter?
You know, I'm so tired of that argument.
It has gotten to the point in the Lakeland movement, that the bath water is so polluted and muddied that we can no longer even see a baby. If there is a baby in there at all (in all my research I haven't determined that there is) and it gets thrown out, that is solely Todd's fault . Had he preached a message based on the Word of God, the baby would have been clearly discerned and people wouldn't have to rip the pipes open to find it.
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"...And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes...no more death, sorrow, nor crying."
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RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley - 7/10/2008 10:37:01 AM
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wintery
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Selected comments from J. Lee Grady of Charisma in "Fire In My Bones"
"I’ll admit I was not paying too much attention to these Civil War predictions 10 years ago. But I was jolted into reality in May after I wrote an online column in which I raised honest questions about some of Bentley’s teachings and techniques.
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I became the bad guy because, by asking questions, I was “relying on my intellect.” To those in the Blue camp, my skepticism made me an enemy of the Holy Spirit and all things supernatural—even though I believe that all the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today!
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But now I realize that some people really want a war. They want the charismatic movement to split right down the middle. They imply that all those who do not embrace 100 percent of the current movement in Lakeland are “old wineskins” that cannot be used by God in the coming revival."
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