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earthless -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/4/2008 3:24:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kat_D quote: yes we are to TEST the spirits but not go on and on day after day discussing it all over and over again. While there are still thousands who would flock to him or the likes of him even after all that's happened, perhaps it is necessary to keep the discussion going. Amen!

Lapidoth -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/4/2008 3:24:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kat_D quote: yes we are to TEST the spirits but not go on and on day after day discussing it all over and over again. While there are still thousands who would flock to him or the likes of him even after all that's happened, perhaps it is necessary to keep the discussion going. My many thanks to those who "kept it going" when I needed to check it out. It saved us from allowing one to come here to "Transfer and Impart" this craziness here. Because of the warnings and the care for the Body, we have no aftermath clean-up to do here.

IMA_CHRISTIAN -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/8/2008 1:44:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: teclils passing judgement is passing judgement.... next subject please Please learn the difference between "making a judgment" and "being judgmental". Making a judgment would be "Todd Bently is a fraud." or "Todd Bentley is doing heretical actions" being judgmental would be "Todd Bentley is a stupid fraud" or "Todd Bently is a crazy imbecile fraud"

teclils -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/8/2008 2:04:33 PM)
umm really? Not buying what your selling sorry

Soxfan -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/8/2008 3:09:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: teclils umm really? Not buying what your selling sorry Let's see... Todd Bentley is a false teacher....FACT! Todd Bentley is a false prophet...FACT! Todd Bentley dabbles in the occult....FACT! Todd Bentley uses physical abuse to promote his false healings...FACT! There has been absolutely NO documented evidence of healings or ressurrections resulting from the Lakeland "Outpouring"...FACT! Todd Bentley has been supported and promoted by documented false prophets/apostles...FACT! Todd Bentley is a convicted sex offender...FACT! Todd Bentley has separated from his wife as a result of an inappropriate relationship with another woman...FACT! Please enlighten us on how that is "being judgemental".

earthless -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 8:33:25 AM)
Too many people who profess to be Christians have been smeared by the political correctness and emotional subjectivism of our time - even to the point of disobeying the Word in testing all things in light of Scripture. Their liberalism impedes them from doing so.

rlj -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 11:26:56 AM)
quote: Todd Bentley is a convicted sex offender...FACT! So what? Sin automatically disqualifies you from ministry especially when this happened how many years ago? I'm no fan of Todd but I'm no fan of pulling people's pasts out and making them a huge issue as some have done with this. There is grace for him and there is forgiveness if he has chosen to repent of it- I can't say for sure one way or another.

Child4Jesus -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 11:34:18 AM)
quote: Todd Bentley is a convicted sex offender...FACT! quote: ORIGINAL: rlj So what? Sin automatically disqualifies you from ministry especially when this happened how many years ago? I'm no fan of Todd but I'm no fan of pulling people's pasts out and making them a huge issue as some have done with this. There is grace for him and there is forgiveness if he has chosen to repent of it- I can't say for sure one way or another. I believe when it comes to violent crime a person has no business being in any leadership position especially as an elder. Pedophiles, rapists, murderers, child killers, etc. Yeah there is grace and forgiveness but not wanting such a one to be leader over you and your family is wisdom. You would want someone who has molested children being in leadership? How about a rapist? I mean wisdom has to be used. If someone was locked up for money laundering, I would hope such a one would not be put in charge of anything dealing with money. Or a person got convicted for messing with kids. I would hope leadership would have the wisdom to not put that person over anything dealing with kids.

Stephanos -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 11:35:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: Todd Bentley is a convicted sex offender...FACT! So what? Sin automatically disqualifies you from ministry especially when this happened how many years ago? I'm no fan of Todd but I'm no fan of pulling people's pasts out and making them a huge issue as some have done with this. There is grace for him and there is forgiveness if he has chosen to repent of it- I can't say for sure one way or another. Actually Paul in Titus makes it clear that Overseers (pastors/elders/ect) HAVE to be above reproach. The fact that he is a convicted sex offender does not mean he can not be forgiven, but the fact that he basically had an affair and is now getting a divorce, is all but proof that HE has not asked for forgiveness, and he STILL is living in that lust driven sin. That alone SHOULD disqualify everyone and anyone.

mcleod -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 12:11:17 PM)
Say talking about sex offender,(not that I have great feelings forTodd)Wasn't David a sex offender when ask Bathsheba to come into his bedroom and do the act?

solarflare -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 12:13:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: Todd Bentley is a convicted sex offender...FACT! So what? Sin automatically disqualifies you from ministry especially when this happened how many years ago? I'm no fan of Todd but I'm no fan of pulling people's pasts out and making them a huge issue as some have done with this. There is grace for him and there is forgiveness if he has chosen to repent of it- I can't say for sure one way or another. No need to refer to the past in Mr. Bentley's case. He's at it again. Left his wife and involved with another women........emotional entanglement apparently. [8\|] He is polluting the water and spreading disease.

solarflare -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 12:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mcleod Say talking about sex offender,(not that I have great feelings forTodd)Wasn't David a sex offender when ask Bathsheba to come into his bedroom and do the act? Not a sex offender.....Bathsheba was not underage and apparently she did not say no. Ask yourself if David 'got away' with his adultery or if God called him out on it. Geez.

solarflare -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 12:16:01 PM)
quote: I believe when it comes to violent crime a person has no business being in any leadership position Yes, and no doubt God would consider spiritual perversion another crime.

rlj -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 1:43:31 PM)
quote: I believe when it comes to violent crime a person has no business being in any leadership position especially as an elder. Pedophiles, rapists, murderers, child killers, etc. Yeah there is grace and forgiveness but not wanting such a one to be leader over you and your family is wisdom. The Apostle Paul was an admitted murderer. David was a murderer. Perhaps 2 of the greatest leaders in the bible? quote: I believe when it comes to violent crime a person has no business being in any leadership position especially as an elder. Pedophiles, rapists, murderers, child killers, etc. Yeah there is grace and forgiveness but not wanting such a one to be leader over you and your family is wisdom. You would want someone who has molested children being in leadership? How about a rapist? He was 14 when this happened. He is 31 or 32 now. Yes I can put something like this behind but yes I would remember it. I believe it was less than 18 years from the point Saul left for Damascus with the orders putting the christians there to death and his first missionary journey? quote: but the fact that he basically had an affair and is now getting a divorce, is all but proof that HE has not asked for forgiveness, and he STILL is living in that lust driven sin. That alone SHOULD disqualify everyone and anyone. I rarely agree with Stephanos but this post is an exception. I am not concerned with something that happened 18 years ago as much as I am concerned with this affair. I am equally disgusted- actually moreso with the so called "leaders" who looked the other way on this but that isn't what we're discussing now. The affair does disqualify him. I don't contend with that much on Todd I only grow weary of hearing about something that happened 18 years ago and listening to everyone condemn him for it. quote: I mean wisdom has to be used. If someone was locked up for money laundering, I would hope such a one would not be put in charge of anything dealing with money. Or a person got convicted for messing with kids. I would hope leadership would have the wisdom to not put that person over anything dealing with kids. Insurance companies have definately helped deal with that. There are some pretty strict rules by some underwriters on what they will and won't cover and they often have rules about no sex offenders teaching kids, watching kids, etc. Our insurance will not allow me to take any of our kids in nursery to the bathroom by myself so I don't do it. We're also not allowed to allow all males in the nursery which isn't much of a problem since who ever heard of a bunch of guys volunteering to do that? ; ) Coincidentally Judas was a thief and Jesus put him in charge of the money.

teclils -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 5:14:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Soxfan quote: ORIGINAL: teclils umm really? Not buying what your selling sorry Let's see... Todd Bentley is a false teacher....FACT! Todd Bentley is a false prophet...FACT! Todd Bentley dabbles in the occult....FACT! Todd Bentley uses physical abuse to promote his false healings...FACT! There has been absolutely NO documented evidence of healings or ressurrections resulting from the Lakeland "Outpouring"...FACT! Todd Bentley has been supported and promoted by documented false prophets/apostles...FACT! Todd Bentley is a convicted sex offender...FACT! Todd Bentley has separated from his wife as a result of an inappropriate relationship with another woman...FACT! Please enlighten us on how that is "being judgemental". Paul (the Apostle) was had the Christians killed and watched but he was forgiven... just because some one is not correct in teaching how does that nullify his salvation?

solarflare -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 5:21:53 PM)
What about Judas? Oh wait...he didn't repent....sounds familar........

earthless -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 5:38:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: teclils just because some one is not correct in teaching how does that nullify his salvation? Faith is only as valid as the object it is placed in. I can have all the sincere faith in the world that my broom will cleanse my sin and save me - will it? No. One can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. I am not saying Todd Bentley is saved or not - all I can do is judge his teachings, his claims, fruits and practices. Not his heart. Yet the clear point here is that Christians are not to pay spiritual heed to a false teacher and false prophet. But can they? Yes. But God does not have to protect someone from unbiblical decisions - cyanide is the same whether taken by an atheist or a born-again believer. All of the documentation points, clearly, to Todd Bentley being a false teacher and a false prophet.

teclils -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 7:23:01 PM)
then why do you keep bring up his past? the teachings yes I can understand...but not constantly bringing up his past..only Lucifer does that nor should you

earthless -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/9/2008 9:40:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: teclils then why do you keep bring up his past? the teachings yes I can understand...but not constantly bringing up his past..only Lucifer does that nor should you Are you speaking about me/my posts?

lw9 -> Florida Healing Outpouring - here we go again (9/9/2008 10:59:38 PM)
I don't know if someone is doing this purposely or accidentally, but can we please try not to change the title of this thread?? 'Todd Bentley - Perverted Messenger of Satan' doesn't exactly invite calm and rational discussion, if you know what I mean.

teclils -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/10/2008 9:13:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthless quote: ORIGINAL: teclils then why do you keep bring up his past? the teachings yes I can understand...but not constantly bringing up his past..only Lucifer does that nor should you Are you speaking about me/my posts? not just yours but many on this board do it.. I was thinking about this in prayer this morning and it is not what you all are saying but it is how your are saying it and your approach. What you are saying you use scripture to back it up and that is good but how your coming across is harsh and the fact that most of it is talking bad about people etc. You can approach something in a way that is more loving and GOD focused instead of the negative...JMHO

laura... -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/10/2008 9:18:30 AM)
quote: I was thinking about this in prayer this morning and it is not what you all are saying but it is how your are saying it and your approach. What you are saying you use scripture to back it up and that is good but how your coming across is harsh and the fact that most of it is talking bad about people etc. You can approach something in a way that is more loving and GOD focused instead of the negative...JMHO Please remember that tone of voice is completely lost in forums. Many of the words written may very well be written from a gentle heart. Many posts could be written with tears yet you can't hear them. You can only read the words. Much of the time the tone we give to posts is in our own head.

IMA_CHRISTIAN -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/10/2008 9:41:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mcleod Say talking about sex offender,(not that I have great feelings forTodd)Wasn't David a sex offender when ask Bathsheba to come into his bedroom and do the act? yes and David suffered the CONSEQUENCES of his sin... that is the baby died, and his sons suffered consequeces too. Bathsheba also suffered the loss of her and David's baby, everyone suffered! dont use that as an excuse to sin yourself just in case you thought you could.

teclils -> RE: Todd Bentely Perverted Messenger of Satan ... (9/10/2008 9:43:05 AM)
I realize that but when one is speaking condemning things against another there is only one tone that could be taken from that.... I know you can say "Blue" and 10 people take it 10 different ways...that is not what I was referring to Thanks

Lapidoth -> RE: :: Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley (9/10/2008 12:22:54 PM)
Did that change the topic? lol. Lakeland Revival - Todd Bentley Okay, Joel Osteen will have plenty of "positive" things to say about good old Todd. Except JO probably won't say anything about the false revivals as that would detract from his fluff.

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