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TomTurn -> Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/5/2008 9:01:32 PM)

No More “Sanctuary City” Protection For Gangs

Jamiel's Law



colliefan -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/5/2008 10:25:41 PM)

Well, Barry is against the death penalty for those who killed this man.



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/6/2008 9:17:59 AM)

Jamiel's father is reporting on KFI out of L.A. that he is being pressured by the Mayor, DA office and others to back off with Jamiel's law or they will paint his son as a gang member who had it coming to him

Jamiel's Law may move to ballot

Mayoral candidate Walter Moore said Thursday he has begun a drive to put "Jamiel's Law" on the March 2009 Los Angeles city ballot — the same one in which he is trying to unseat Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

If adopted, the law would permit Los Angeles police officers to arrest gang members for breaking U.S. immigration law. It would supersede Special Order 40, a 29-year-old LAPD policy that bars officers from arresting or questioning people solely on suspicion of being in the country illegally. Moore told a crowd of about 200 people — gathered at the Wilshire Ebell Theatre to hear about his proposal — that he decided on an initiative after hearing no response from City Council members to his request for an ordinance.

Jamiel's Law is named for Jamiel Shaw II, 17, who was shot to death by suspected gang members on March 2 close to his Arlington Heights home. Police arrested Pedro Espinoza, 19, who reportedly entered the U.S. illegally at age 4. Police say Espinoza is a member of the 18th Street Gang. He was released from jail, where he was being held on a weapons charge, a day before the killing.

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lightshineon -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/6/2008 9:24:17 AM)

I would be for it. What a waste, of a wonderful young man. For what? I pray for his family, the photos were heartbreaking.



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/6/2008 2:30:38 PM)

Was listening to John & Ken this morning over the radio and John made a pondering that makes a lot of sense. He was wondering why is it the mayor, DA, police chief and others seem to side so much with the gang members? And was coming to the conclusion they are being bought off by the drug cartel just as in countries south of our border.

Think that makes a lot of sense, especially in the light of how we see them reacting to the death of Jamiel Shaw and am hoping J & K will continue to follow up on it.

John and Ken can be heard on demans at KFI podcasting



rowsdower -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/6/2008 4:37:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

Jamiel's father is reporting on KFI out of L.A. that he is being pressured by the Mayor, DA office and others to back off with Jamiel's law or they will paint his son as a gang member who had it coming to him

Jamiel's Law may move to ballot

Mayoral candidate Walter Moore said Thursday he has begun a drive to put "Jamiel's Law" on the March 2009 Los Angeles city ballot — the same one in which he is trying to unseat Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

If adopted, the law would permit Los Angeles police officers to arrest gang members for breaking U.S. immigration law. It would supersede Special Order 40, a 29-year-old LAPD policy that bars officers from arresting or questioning people solely on suspicion of being in the country illegally. Moore told a crowd of about 200 people — gathered at the Wilshire Ebell Theatre to hear about his proposal — that he decided on an initiative after hearing no response from City Council members to his request for an ordinance.

Jamiel's Law is named for Jamiel Shaw II, 17, who was shot to death by suspected gang members on March 2 close to his Arlington Heights home. Police arrested Pedro Espinoza, 19, who reportedly entered the U.S. illegally at age 4. Police say Espinoza is a member of the 18th Street Gang. He was released from jail, where he was being held on a weapons charge, a day before the killing.

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This is sickening on so many levels. This is LIBERAL LEADERSHIP in action ladies and gentlemen. LA is run by a gang of liberals who...it is painfully obvious, are nothing more than thugs and racists...all the while parading around under the guise of "Human Rights Activists". Take a good long look at this. I can honestly say this is the final straw. I have no confidence in the leadership of this city. They are utterly corrupt and evil. Period.

Again, you want to see what Liberalism will do for a city...for a nation? Here's the glorious result of unchallenged Liberal doctrine: Rampant Illegal immigration, rampant city debt, rampant spending...400 million a year for benefits for Illegal immigrants by the way....while facing a debt and laying off city workers. 80,000 known gang members ruling the streets, taxes, taxes and more taxes. Some of that money in gang prevention programs going into the hands of gang members who are laughing all the way to the bank while killing people. And a landscape that is looking more and more like a third world country. Condemnation of those who disagree with open border policies. And of course, an embrace for Islam to spread unchecked throughout schools and government.

Yes, the shining glory of Liberal policy can be seen in LA. God forgive us and help us, we are in big, big trouble.



rlj -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/6/2008 5:19:54 PM)

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Again, you want to see what Liberalism will do for a city...for a nation?


Yet we have an administration or more precisely a President who goes on record extolling the values of "illegal" immigrants and has denigrated the contributions of native workers of this country.

This law is stupid and sadly with Bush and then McCain we have two back to back Republicans who are pro illegals. We might as well get over it that this is never going to improve.



rowsdower -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/6/2008 6:36:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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Again, you want to see what Liberalism will do for a city...for a nation?


Yet we have an administration or more precisely a President who goes on record extolling the values of "illegal" immigrants and has denigrated the contributions of native workers of this country.

This law is stupid and sadly with Bush and then McCain we have two back to back Republicans who are pro illegals. We might as well get over it that this is never going to improve.



Well, when it comes to illegal immigration, Bush is a liberal himself. He's also the one pushing for the Mexico super highway to start plowing through our country. He refuses to close the border, so he's a disaster when it comes to the problem of illegal immigration. I don't even consider him a conservative in this area at all.

But this law needs to be passed. Cops should be able to, at the very least, ASK about someone's immigration status when they're a known gang member or criminal.

The worst part is our wonderful liberal politicians have more sympathy for the gang-banger who shot this poor, innocent kid than they do the real victims -- Jamiel's family...and by the way, his mother is serving her second tour in IRAQ! So here's a woman making the ultimate sacrifice for this country and all our city council can do is slap her in the face when her kid is murdered in cold blood. All they can do is lecture us about "human rights" for all while the Mayor tells the feds to back off the immigration raids. This is pure evil.



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/6/2008 8:37:05 PM)

Special order 40 has allowed gangs to flourish in the Los Angeles area.

What does Jamiel Shaw's life matter, or any other innocent who has died becasue of it or will?



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/7/2008 7:34:49 PM)

The DA Steve Cooley has removed the prosecutor who supposedly hinted that she will have to paint Jamiel as a gang banger if the pressure on Special Order 40 is not removed



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/13/2008 11:04:40 PM)

The community solidarity that followed the killing of high school football star Jamiel Shaw Jr. did not last.

A prosecutor has been pulled from the case after clashing with Shaw's parents, who are demanding hate-crime charges against the suspect, believed to belong to a violent Hispanic gang. And the family is fighting suggestions that an affinity for a rival gang was what led to Shaw's slaying March 2.

At the heart of the friction is the polarizing issue of race in a city known for its diversity of cultures. Shaw, 17, was black; prosecutors say the man charged with killing him, Pedro Espinoza, is in the country illegally.

Shaw's family is fighting for passage of "Jamiel's Law," which would overturn a long-standing rule preventing Los Angeles police from inquiring about suspects' immigration status. It has not been welcomed in all corners; opponents say it could deter illegal immigrants from reporting crimes.

The rift between the Shaws and the district attorney's office was exposed last week when Jamiel Shaw Sr., 47, and his ex-wife Anita Shaw, 43, met with District Attorney Steve Cooley to complain about Michele Hanisee, the prosecutor on the case.

Jamiel Shaw said Hanisee pressured him to stop pushing for the law and threatened to depict their son as a gang member unless they dropped demands that she prosecute the case as a hate crime.

LA prosecutor taken off case of slain football star



lexie -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/14/2008 10:02:38 AM)

It angers me to hear that the prosecutor wanted to paint him as a gang member.

The same thing happened to my nephew after he was murdered, and happens to a lot of young men murdered in his neighbourhood. The media and police try to make them out to be gang members (which my nephew wasn't) as if it makes it better or something. Maybe that's why my nephews killer only got 6 years.



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/14/2008 10:48:21 PM)

Listened to KFI over the computer today and from the interview with Jamiel's father you can see the pressure is increasing for him to back off Jamiels Law because it will go after illegal alien gang members. The "pro illegal alien crowd" will sacrifice any citizen to get their criminal acts through.

What came out of the interview I listened to today is the possibility that the pro illegal crowd has made false websites attributed to Jamiel to paint him as a gang member.



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/14/2008 11:10:30 PM)

Immigration, Gang Violence and a Crusade

Jamiel Shaw Sr. never gave much thought to the immigration status of gang members in his South Los Angeles neighborhood. With his military wife deployed to Iraq and two sons to raise, there were football practices to manage, shoes to buy, college applications to consider.

But in the two months since his older son, Jamiel Jr., was gunned down by a man the police say is a gang member who was here illegally from Mexico, Mr. Shaw has been able to think of little else.

“I don’t care about illegal people who are working here and taking care of themselves,” Mr. Shaw said. “I just feel I am obligated to target illegal aliens in gangs.”

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TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/16/2008 8:04:05 AM)

From the article

“What we largely see are people living together, going to school together, intermarrying and living together just fine,” said Deputy Chief Sergio Diaz, who oversees police operations in many gang-infested Los Angeles neighborhoods. “Why would we let gang members define race relations in this city?”

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Did we let the Klan help define race relations? How many more innocents must die before this protection of gang members is removed?



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/16/2008 12:45:01 PM)

So many are upset that Barry Obama is pointed out to look like a cartoon character and scream racism. Yet nothing for this. Just continues to prove my point that their outrage is selective.



StephK -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/16/2008 4:45:18 PM)

Whatever happened to common sense?



StephK -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/16/2008 4:46:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

So many are upset that Barry Obama is pointed out to look like a cartoon character and scream racism. Yet nothing for this. Just continues to prove my point that their outrage is selective.



There is less danger involved getting in the t-shirt issue than there is facing real violence.



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/16/2008 8:13:13 PM)

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There is less danger involved getting in the t-shirt issue than there is facing real violence.


Barely a one will come here and get educated on true racism. Especially since it is running against one of the favorite areas of modern liberalism.



todd_t -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/16/2008 11:46:01 PM)

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Barely a one will come here and get educated on true racism. Especially since it is running against one of the favorite areas of modern liberalism.


I'm afraid I don't see the connection to racism here. Illegal immigration, yes. But why racism?



saved9201 -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/17/2008 8:10:11 AM)

You can call it liberal vs. conservative but unfortunately, this is politics. L.A., and California itself now, is predominantly Hispanic. Politicians there want to keep their jobs so they eschew doing the right thing and instead opt for the politically expedient thing. Hispanics voters here legally no doubt don't want to be inconvenienced by what some could consider racial profiling, and this new law could potentially involve that. Also, I've read that there has always been a riff between the Hispanic and black communities in that city. Problem is, blacks (and everybody else, for that matter) are now an overwhelming minority there now so they wield no political clout. Hispanics have the power so they make the rules. It's that simple.

- Julius



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/17/2008 10:02:37 AM)

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I'm afraid I don't see the connection to racism here. Illegal immigration, yes. But why racism?


Hispanic street gangs are targeting blacks because they are black. Jamiel Shaw was hunted down, shot and killed because he was black. I know it does not rate up there with a t-shirt with a cartoon character on it but he is still dead and others will die.



TomTurn -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/17/2008 10:04:21 AM)

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Hispanics voters here legally no doubt don't want to be inconvenienced by what some could consider racial profiling


Then you stop all races suspected in gang activity or known to be in gangs.

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Problem is, blacks (and everybody else, for that matter) are now an overwhelming minority there now so they wield no political clout. Hispanics have the power so they make the rules. It's that simple.


So hispanics are in favor of this criminal activity?



bluestone -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/17/2008 10:15:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: saved9201

You can call it liberal vs. conservative but unfortunately, this is politics. L.A., and California itself now, is predominantly Hispanic. Politicians there want to keep their jobs so they eschew doing the right thing and instead opt for the politically expedient thing. Hispanics voters here legally no doubt don't want to be inconvenienced by what some could consider racial profiling, and this new law could potentially involve that. Also, I've read that there has always been a riff between the Hispanic and black communities in that city. Problem is, blacks (and everybody else, for that matter) are now an overwhelming minority there now so they wield no political clout. Hispanics have the power so they make the rules. It's that simple.

- Julius


I agree with this for the most part. When doing the right thing inconveniences the majority, the right thing is ignored. Tougher sanctions for gang related crime are needed, like we have for race -hate crimes. Until gangs are shredded to the point of having no power, they will continue to grow and dominate communities.

It is not just rivals gangs who killed: bystanders are too. Sadly, gangs tend to be racially exclusive, so seeing someone of a different color means perceiving them as the enemy if they are on your "turf".



saved9201 -> RE: Jamiel’s Law, who could be against it? (5/17/2008 11:48:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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Hispanics voters here legally no doubt don't want to be inconvenienced by what some could consider racial profiling


Then you stop all races suspected in gang activity or known to be in gangs.

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Problem is, blacks (and everybody else, for that matter) are now an overwhelming minority there now so they wield no political clout. Hispanics have the power so they make the rules. It's that simple.


So hispanics are in favor of this criminal activity?


Hispanics have political power in L.A. and they don't want their people singled out whether they're criminals or not. Group like La Raza de la Familia and others are very powerful voices in that city which is 48 percent hispanic and only 31 percent white. Antonio Villaraigosa was elected mayor of Los Angeles a few years ago and was the first mayor of Mexican descent elected mayor of that city in over 130 years, and based on the demographics of L.A., he won't be the last. I don't know why the attitude concerning illegals is quite different than the attitude of hispanics in Florida, where they are for the most part vehemently against the illegals. Recently, Latino groups issued a letter to CNN, about allowing commentator Lou Dobbs to spew his opinions against immigration reform and undocumented immigrants, without giving equal time to the other side of the immigration debate. So to answer your question, yes, a significant number of hispanics in L.A. are in favor of this criminal activity. And this may sound cruel or cynical, but as long as non-Latinos are the victims, they could care less who suffers.

- Julius



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