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RE: what about evolution? - 5/15/2008 5:38:24 PM
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Jhud
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I don’t recall you ever treating me brashly before we got drunk together.
That's of course why you are my designated poster, so if I have had to much and am getting brash, you can take over.
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RE: what about evolution? - 5/15/2008 7:05:36 PM
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unclemonkey
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ORIGINAL:Jhudquote:
I will let unclemonkey speak for himself, because he is completely capable,
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Edited to correct typo.
< Message edited by unclemonkey -- 5/15/2008 9:46:33 PM >
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RE: what about evolution? - 5/15/2008 9:39:57 PM
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cchris
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I've argued evolution versus creation before. Asking for understanding and unity in Christians against the rising hostility of the secular world is a new debate to me. And it turned surprisingly ugly surprisingly fast-- surprisingly since what I was saying was let's agree to disagree and just get to work fixing this stuff. But I guess some of us are just stuck in being better Christians than the rest -- and letting them know it too. To hell with treating each other as equals.
unclemonkey if the idea of putting aside our differences to pursue a common goal is heretical to you then I don't care if you think I'm a bad Christian. I don't understand what your problem is anyway. Do you think I'm tricking non-believers into hell with the notion that Jesus wants their love and trust more than he wants their utter denouncement of evoluton as an evil on par with Nazism?
I'll tell you another thing, talking to you is painfully disagreeable, and it's not because you're dashing my preciously held pagan beliefs either. It's because you're a jerk. Being pc is a bad thing, but being polite isn't. Especially when you talk to a stranger. When I read your posts its obvious that you're not half as interested in what I'm have to say as you are in getting me to shut up. The whole reason you even posted in this thread was to prove that I don't have the right to talk as a Christian.
Another thing, Jesus didn't put sinners down everytime he met them (he did do that to the spiritually self righteous though). On the contrary, he helped them up, showed them that though they were wrong, it wasn't so much something to be ashamed of as something to put behind them. That seems to me infinetly harder to do than what your average Christian does, and vastly more worthy of admiriation. but hey, each of us has our own style.
and jhud, you're no diplomat.
If you guys have nothing but fire left for me then save it for when you're arguing against people who don't believe that atheists are trying to usher in the New World Order by teaching evolution in science class, cause I'm done fighting.
I hate that things turned out so sour. I don't dislike yall even though it might sound like I do.
< Message edited by cchris -- 5/15/2008 9:58:09 PM >
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RE: what about evolution? - 5/15/2008 9:46:49 PM
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unclemonkey
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ORIGINAL:cchrisquote:
unclemonkey if the idea of putting aside our differences to pursue a common goal is heretical then If you think I'm a bad Christian.
What that post tells me is that you are an egotistical spoiled brat. Goodbye.
< Message edited by unclemonkey -- 5/15/2008 9:54:34 PM >
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RE: what about evolution? - 5/15/2008 9:55:53 PM
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cchris
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Name calling? Well ok, I don't view you as the paradigm of Christian thinking either.
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RE: what about evolution? - 5/15/2008 10:01:52 PM
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hysterman
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cchris,
The BIBLE says GOD created the heavens and the earth, all that is within and man in six literal days. Check the Hebrew wording and you will see this is correct. To allow for evolution, you have to have disease, destruction, and death before, that is prior to, Adam committing the original sin in the garden of Eden. If death, and destruction came before sin, then JESUS dying on the cross and HIS bodily resurrection can have no significance for us. JESUS came as the second Adam to make the payment for Adam's sin that allowed death and destruction into the world. Evolution requires millions of years and to equate that into scripture is unfathomable. As was stated in an earlier post, Exodus 20:11 says: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day, and hallowed it. If there were millions of years before GOD got involved, why would he consecrate the seventh day? We cannot lead others to faith in JESUS CHRIST that is worth it's salt if they do not understand the concept of sin and the cost of sin, and how GOD sent HIS only SON to pay the sin debt we owed. Being a christian is not simply JESUS and me, it is JESUS in me. If you would like to read more on this concept and how the evolution theory of millions of years contradicts the BIBLE, you can visit answersingenesis.org. Ken Ham has a much greater way of explaining this than I do. We cannot simplt teach others about JESUS, we must help them to understand why GOD says they are sinners and why they need a savior, and why JESUS is the only way to salvation.
I commend you on your desire to make JESUS known to those who are lost and perishing but they must receive the exact scriptural truth or satan will quickly devour them and ruin their walk. Although he cannot take one away that has been truly saved, he can make them very miserable if they do not understand.
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RE: what about evolution? - 5/15/2008 10:05:19 PM
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cchris
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I appreciate the compliment hysterman. I'll consider what you had to say.
< Message edited by cchris -- 5/15/2008 10:14:57 PM >
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