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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/17/2008 2:26:07 PM
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I haven't seen it, but it apparently strayed from the book quite a bit. But it's most likely still a good movie.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/17/2008 3:01:25 PM
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I did not like it. I know that I may be the only one that feels like this, but I find all these battle scenes to be BORING! I know that is maybe an oxymoron or something. What I find interesting in movies is character development and when actors show deep emotions maybe just in the way that they look at someone or whatever. And it is not like we ever thought the main characters are in real danger - we all knew Aslan would show up and save the day. (I have not read the book or if I did it was so long ago I forgot that I read it.) I also did not even know the name of one of the main new characters (the dwarf) until I got home and looked up reviews. To me that means he was never developed enough that I really cared about what happened to him.
I also would definitely caution parents against taking young children to this movie, although maybe by today's standards this is really tame violence. (And I am not one of those completely anti-violence-in-movies type of person.)
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/18/2008 1:07:58 AM
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What does everyone think about the extreme violence?
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The Pevensie children are portrayed, in my eyes, as blood-thirsty war-mongers. They make no attempts at negotiation before attacking and killing many men. They frequently kill people before even knowing for sure who's who. (One example is Peter immediately attacking Caspian the moment he sees him, trying to kill a stranger for no reason I can see except for a chance to use his sword.) And then at the end, we have young Lucy pulling out her knife with a smirk on her face, like she's happy to be around so much death and being a part of it.
The "children" are not "portrayed as bloodthirsty war-mongers", they are portrayed as Kings and Queens of Narnia fighting to retake the land from invaders who have been systematically committing genocide against the Old Narnians for several hundred years. They don't try to "negotiate" in the novel either, because there's nothing to negotiate. Peter attacks Caspian in the movie because he is a Telmarine (obvious from his appearance and his armor) wandering around the forests of Old Narnia. He understandably mistook him for an enemy soldier, just like the Old Narnians did at first. "Young Lucy's" smile wasn't because she was "happy to be around" death and destruction, it was because she was a Queen of Narnia who knew she was bringing with her the One who was going to bring an end to the war and the Telmarine occupation of Narnia.
In the novels, the point is made that the longer one is in Narnia, the more Narnian they become, and this is especially true for those who have been in Narnia before. The Pevensie "children" were adult Kings and Queens when they accidentally returned to this world, and as they spend more time in Narnia in "Prince Caspian" they become less and less children and more and more the adults they were. By the time Peter fights Miraz, he's fully the High King... albeit in a teenager's body. They were brought to Narnia by Aslan to fight to restore Narnia. This isn't "warmongering", it's a just war. The only "negotiation" possible in the situation was the one used... A trial by combat between the kings themselves... theoretically to prevent the bloodbath that followed, though the Telmarines never intended to abide by the "negotiated" agreement, which is why High King Peter had the Old Narnian forces at the ready. He fully expected the Telmarines to violate the agreement, though he didn't expect their lords to murder their own king as an excuse to do it.
I agree that's probably what was intended in the story, but it didn't really come across right to me. The Telmarines supposedly did the genocide long enough ago that the present-day people didn't even believe in them any more. So Peter attacking the first Telmarine he sees would be like a Native American attacking a white American today because of what our ancestors did four generations ago. You can't just assume everyone's an enemy, when a war hasn't even started yet. All Peter knew was what one dwarf told him.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/18/2008 4:42:26 AM
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I did not like it. I know that I may be the only one that feels like this, but I find all these battle scenes to be BORING! I know that is maybe an oxymoron or something. What I find interesting in movies is character development and when actors show deep emotions maybe just in the way that they look at someone or whatever. And it is not like we ever thought the main characters are in real danger - we all knew Aslan would show up and save the day.
With that frame of mind, Spider-Man or Batman are never in real danger in their movies. I think we all know the heroes will survive past the credits.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/18/2008 5:38:46 AM
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You're right - I don't really like action movies, I guess. I like plot-driven movies more. I don't go see those superhero movies. And I did not even go see Lord of the Rings when it came out, although I did see the whole thing on DVD. Anyway, as I understand it, the Voyage of the Dawn Treader does not even have a battle scene, so maybe I will enjoy that one more!
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/18/2008 8:28:05 PM
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Saw it today and found it very entertaining.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/18/2008 8:53:05 PM
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Negotiations? This is a supposed to be a metaphor for good vs evil. Christ vs. the devil. Is Christ going to negotiate before attacking the devil?
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/18/2008 9:47:25 PM
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i thought it was really good, and better in a lot of ways, but at the same time, i didn't feel as drawn into the character development as the first one, and that was the part that I liked the most.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/19/2008 12:25:52 AM
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Wanted to go see it on the weekend but had to work. Probably going to see it this week though.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/19/2008 9:15:51 AM
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It would also be interesting to see them include the scene where C.S. Lewis implies that one can go to heaven and not actually know Jesus' name. I always wondered why I've never heard Christians talk about that, it seems that would be quite the controversial issue.
It is if you go to Narnia web or something. And actually it really depends on how you interpret that particular part. I've heard different views of what that part meant. Kind of like the part with Susan as well... though that one is more divided just among Christians vs Non-Christians. I mean, Christians generally agree with what Lewis was saying and non-Christians don't get it. Anyway... I have my views on it but this is a movie thread :D and not about the Last Battle anyway.
Did either of the thieves crucified next to Jesus know his name? Is one of them saved?
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/19/2008 11:12:29 AM
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I didn't read the book, but I would agree that it probably did stray away from the book a bit. There were very few spiritual references that could be found in it unlike the first movie. It was still enjoyable to watch. kd
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/19/2008 12:44:16 PM
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We got to go see it on Saturday.
I have mixed feelings. It was really well done & I think a good movie overall. I understand why they changed some things from the book. Like in the book, Trumpkin (the DLF) tells most of the story of Caspian to the Penvensies. It probably worked better for us to see it in "real time" instead of all flashbacks.
I guess I just can't figure out why they took out some things & added in others. I know they couldn't have put in everything from the book, but they added in quite a bit that could've been left out to make way for some of the other plot points.
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I also did not even know the name of one of the main new characters (the dwarf) until I got home and looked up reviews. This bothered me too. I think if you hadn't read the books, you probably couldn't name most of the characters introduced in this movie! Maybe that's not a big deal, but it irritated me.
Overall, I think they did a good job & I wasn't disappointed, just perplexed a bit I guess.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/19/2008 12:46:33 PM
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I agree that's probably what was intended in the story, but it didn't really come across right to me. The Telmarines supposedly did the genocide long enough ago that the present-day people didn't even believe in them any more. So Peter attacking the first Telmarine he sees would be like a Native American attacking a white American today because of what our ancestors did four generations ago. You can't just assume everyone's an enemy, when a war hasn't even started yet. All Peter knew was what one dwarf told him.
Actually, I think in the context of what Lewis wrote the Telemarines would be more like Philistines or Babylonians oppressing the children of Israel. Narnia is ultimately Aslans, and those who stay there are those he chooses, not simply those who win.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/19/2008 10:29:14 PM
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Negotiations? This is a supposed to be a metaphor for good vs evil. Christ vs. the devil. Is Christ going to negotiate before attacking the devil?
Depends how far you take the metaphor. But anyway, I thought that the White Witch was the metaphorical devil of the story. In a non-metaphorical story, I would think that morally, you should attempt peaceful resolutions before violent ones, unless it is unreasonable to think a peaceful resolution is possible.
In the real world, no one and no country is pure evil. There's always a mix. We should remember that when considering war with other countries, rather than convincing ourselves that our enemies are pure evil so we can justify any kind of violence against them.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/20/2008 4:16:39 PM
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My wife and I saw the movie yesterday. We both really enjoyed it. Niether of us have read the Narnia books so we weren't familiar with the story other than what was set in place in the first movie. About two weeks before the movie was released I heard an interview on Focus On the Family with an Englishman. I got in on the middle of it so I don't know the exact details. This person knew CS Lewis somehow. He was explaining how parts of the movie had to be written different from the book in order for it to flow right on the screen. Otherwise the movie would have been too boring.
I think the part of the movie I enjoyed the most was when Lucy was sent to find Aslan. When she finally finds him she says something like, The others didn't believe me when I told them I saw you. Aslan replies, Why did you let that stop you from seeking me! I thought this was the most powerful sceen in the entire movie.
We plan to purchase it when it is released on DVD. On a scale of 1-10 I would rate the movie an 8. Great special effects, good story, good acting(better than the first), the length of the movie was about right.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/20/2008 4:26:20 PM
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Thanks for the insights. Ya'll are right on on your thoughts & that really helps add the appropriate elements to the story. kd
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/20/2008 6:06:17 PM
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But I liked that they actually referenced the fact that the children essentially are much older than their bodily ages. I have always found the fact that they grew into adulthood (or at least young adulthood) at the end of "the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" -only to be turned back into children when they go back through the wardrobe, to be the most delightfully bizarre and completely overlooked detail about the series.
They would basically be twenty somethings forced to live, once again, as prepubescents. To me this detail alone would be enough to fill a novel all on its own (can you imagine how you would react if you had to go through puberty all over again?), as I think it would take a great deal of getting used to being treated as a child again. But, "Prince Caspian" the book just kind of seems to forget this detail, and it treats them, more or less, as children --as oppossed to adults trapped in children's bodies (which I have always seen as a weakness in the book, especially since Aslan makes such a huge deal about Susan and Peter growing up and not being able to return because of this, without really acknowledging the fact that they've already grown up when they were Kings and Queens of Narnia -I haven't read the books in a long time, though, so maybe I'm misremembering some of the details here).
But anyways, it was nice that the film at least acknowledged it to a certain extent (although I think it would have been neat if they had done more with it).
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/20/2008 7:06:17 PM
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I think what dampens it is that there is no blood in the film, but I kept imagining how different the impact of the film would be if there were geisers of blood shooting out of the enemies that the children are mowing down -Kill Bill style.
Actually, my twelve year old son complained about this - "How could he keep his sword that shiny clean while killing all those bad guys dad?"
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/20/2008 7:45:03 PM
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yes i heard from pluggedinonline that somewhere a 10 year old cried as someone else mentioned ... my 7.5 year old daughter did just fine. i think part of the root problem with a lot of the complaints is that the book just isn't as exciting as lion, witch, and wardrobe or voyage of dawn treader so they tried to create extra drama with things not in the book such as the night castle raid, feud between peter & caspian, and caspian as love interest for susan. i didn't really care for those changes myself. i almost liked the night raid, but didn't like the drama surrounding it. also i saw a review with a quote like the one on page 1 about being bloodthirsty and the reviewer did seem to have an anti-Christian bias if you read the whole review.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/20/2008 11:03:07 PM
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I have read the entire series and there is alot of spritual insight in this book as well. I don't get into the battles as much so it was never one of my favorite parts of the series. It did show that people get battling each other over stress, power, etc... sometimes as if the old wounds never healed. It takes God to heal the old wounds.
I saw Lucy's drawing of the dagger at the end as an example of shear confidence in Aslan. With him at her side, even her tiny blade could stop a whole army.
When Lucy was facing Aslan, and they discussed what might have been (how many people would have not lost their lives had Lucy followed Aslan at the gourge) Aslan reminded her that you cannot change what might have been but you can deal with what will come.
It does help if you read the books. In the first movie a few parts had been moved around to keep the flow of action building properly for visual media like movies.
The biggest insight was this: that when we take things into our own hands, the results can spell disaster for not just us but many innocent people as well. We have to depend on God's wisdom. Then even if we fail miserably, if we turn to Him there is redemption although many dire consequences still linger on. You will see this theme again in A Horse and His Boy.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/21/2008 12:05:49 AM
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bford64: The "Englishman" was none other than Douglas Gresham, the step-son of C.S "Jack" Lewis. His mother and Lewis married when he was 8, I believe, and Lewis adopted both Douglas and his brother David. Douglas Gresham is now in charge of the Lewis estate, including all of Narnia. You will notice his name in the opening credits of the films.
He seems to be a wonderful man, and has some very fond memories of Lewis. He is a born-again Christian, to top it all off.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/21/2008 3:00:17 AM
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ManimalX thank you for the info. I wondered how this person seemed to know so much of C.S. Lewis. I agree, he seems a wonderful man and very knowledgable as well. Well spoken.
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RE: Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/21/2008 6:30:31 AM
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Haha, _Cinderella_, your post made my day. That's a really awesome post, I've never heard anyone ask some of those questions before. I will try to answer your questions to the best of my ability, but I will let you know immediately that it's been nearly a decade since I last read the books.
1. Caspian was a good guy. It would have been terrible if he killed an innocent baby who really had no choice but to be born to an evil father.
2. The White Witch is a lot like the devil, or is the devil...depending on how you view it. Even though her power was shattered, much like the devil's...she still exists and cannot simply be unmade...much like the devil.
3. They were growing up, this one was more of a coming of age story for the Pevensie children than anything. They had no purpose in Narnia anymore, everything comes to an end...even Narnia itself.
4. This one's a little more tricky for me, having been so long since I read The Magician's Nephew. There are many different entrances to Narnia. Much like there are many different ways you can come to Jesus, but only one way you can come to Jesus...through belief in Him. In The Magician's Nephew, there was a way to get to many different worlds...one of them just so happened to take the kids in that book to Narnia. The White Witch is also in that book, but is known by a different name. As there are many different ways to get to different worlds in C.S. Lewis' story, there are many different ways to get to the same world...and in the Pevensie children's case, when they are needed back at Narnia. It's like Aslan said..."Things never happen the same way twice."
I thought the live trees were imaginative...along with the many other creatures and spectacles in the movie.
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