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TammyIsBlessed -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/1/2008 6:02:58 PM)

Rotovirus is not a routine shot in Canada at all. I wonder why...



MrsTracy72 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/4/2008 12:49:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Royal.Fortress

I'm not willing to vaccine on schedule just to go to Mexico, and am considering telling my sister that we just can't go. I don't know how serious the health risks are, though, for such a small one not being completely vacc'ed. What would you all do?



Since you never know what you are eating or drinking in another country and are are you staying in a families house or a hotel? If you are staying in a public place and plan on letting your child drink the water and eat the food and be around other people who proably are NOT vaccinated and could have been exposed to many things, I would reconsider the vaccinations and get them before you go.

I am trying to go through your posts, but I thought you said you were staying at a resort. What city will you be stayin in? My cousins live in or very near Mexic city and you can get most of what you would have here including nursery water for your child. If you are staying in that area, I can ask her what types of places to stay away from.



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/8/2008 12:39:08 PM)

They've actually decided to go to the Dominican Republic, now, but yeah - similar issues. We will likely be staying on the resort and will not be mixing with locals - if only because of Gwen.

She's got her two month appointment on Monday and I bought the Vaccine Book yesterday (they didn't have it at the library!! I guess because a new edition just came out ...) so I'm trying to plow my way through it. I'm going to have to find the Canadian schedule and compare it ... and find Donna's schedule =)

ETA: You know what really stinks?? I want her to just have the Pertussis vaccine without the DaT - since they're not serious in infants and the chances of them catching it are so small. Why on earth doesn't someone manufacture just a P vaccine?? Chelsea - what have you decided for vacc'ing?



TammyIsBlessed -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 12:16:05 AM)

In Canada, can I have the MMR all done separately? Like one shot just for measles, one just for mumps, one just for rubella?



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 12:50:12 PM)

I think so ... I'll ask tomorrow and let you know!



manda59 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 6:56:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Royal.Fortress
ETA: You know what really stinks?? I want her to just have the Pertussis vaccine without the DaT - since they're not serious in infants and the chances of them catching it are so small.



What's your source for saying diphtheria and tetanus aren't serious in babies?

Also, once they've had the course of vaccinations, they're immune for a number of years.
There's no way under the sun I'd have wanted my children not to be vaccinated for those things.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 7:51:25 PM)

I can't find my book to double check, but if I remember right, diphtheria and tetanus are very, very rare for little ones to get. Pertussis (whooping cough) is much more common and affects little ones worse than older children or adults. If they did them separately, I would wait on the diphtheria and tetanus also, but since there isn't that option available and I want pertussis coverage, we will do the DTaP. At least it is one with a pretty low reactivity rate, so that is good.

Levi is 18 months now and because of car issues and now Brian's accident and recovery, he hasn't been to the doctor since his 12 month appointment. So I haven't had to defend my choice to wait on the MMR. I'm thinking he probably won't go for another well child visit until he's 2 now, and maybe we'll go ahead with the whole thing then. We'll see...



manda59 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 8:33:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna
I can't find my book to double check, but if I remember right, diphtheria and tetanus are very, very rare for little ones to get.



Rare yes, and that's because of the vaccination programme over a number of years. The other thing is that the course of vaccinations then gives several years of immunity, after that only needing an occasional booster.

Since tetanus lives in the ground (dirt), I'd certainly want my toddlers immune to tetanus. And diphtheria - well, when I was at school I had a friend who'd had diphtheria as a baby. Sure he had survived, but he was never what you'd call a well child - including having ongoing heart problems and respiratory problems caused by it.

Although there have been few if any cases of diphtheria reported in the UK in recent years, it's still prevalent in the former Soviet Union, Iraq, Iran, Syria, India etc, so all it would take would be a visitor to the UK from one of those areas bringing it in, and we could have an outbreak.



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 8:55:29 PM)

I meant there's no real risk that they'll catch them in infancy, not that they're not serious - oops! [8|] I definitely want Gwen to be covered for them for her lifetime, I just hate that you *have* to vaccinate for those diseases in infancy if you want Pertussis coverage, which is the one that often effects infants.

Well, we go tomorrow - wish me luck! [8D]



manda59 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 9:00:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Royal.Fortress
I meant there's no real risk that they'll catch them in infancy


If a baby was ever bitten by a cat or a dog, it could lead to tetanus.

It honestly isn't impossible.



Karaboo2 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 9:01:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TammyIsBlessed
In Canada, can I have the MMR all done separately? Like one shot just for measles, one just for mumps, one just for rubella?


Unless things have changed in the past two years, the answer is no ... (or at least in Ontario) ... they will not separate out the components. But we'll see what Kim's pedi says tomorrow. (We stopped vaxing a couple of years ago when ds had a super nasty reaction which landed him in the ER ... the pedi at the followup visit the next day brushed it off completely and said no vax could ever cause that kind of reaction ... yeah, right) So it was at that point where I said if the individual components couldn't be separated, the kids wouldn't receive anymore vaccines until they could -- I want to know for certain which things are causing reactions.



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/10/2008 10:55:56 PM)

so it was the MMR, eh? That's one of the nasty ones.

Manda - lol, I know they *could* get the diseases, but the risk of having an adverse reaction from the shot is far greater than the chance they could get the disease. Like I said, we'll be doing the DTaP anyways because of the risks of pertussis.



manda59 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/11/2008 3:53:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Royal.Fortress
Manda - lol, I know they *could* get the diseases, but the risk of having an adverse reaction from the shot is far greater than the chance they could get the disease.


Actually I thought it was the pertussis component that provided the albeit miniscule risk of reaction from the DTaP vaccination.



Sideways -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/11/2008 7:47:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Royal.Fortress
so it was the MMR, eh? That's one of the nasty ones.


Oh tell me about it. My son sailed right through his 2, 4 and 6 month shots. But the 12 month shots (including the MMR) were absolutely nasty. He was so miserable for a week, including his birthday.



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/11/2008 11:53:02 AM)

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Actually I thought it was the pertussis component that provided the albeit miniscule risk of reaction from the DTaP vaccination.


Actually, the bad rep that the pertussis component has is from the old version of the vaccine - the DTP. When they changed it to acellular Pertussis, the high frequency of serious reactions went down. It's actually the tetanus portion that causes most of the serious reactions (Guillian-Barre, nerve dysfunction, and encephalopathy). But even so, the pertussis portion is the one that's most necessary for the young ones, so generally speaking, the risk of having an adverse reaction is less than the risk of having a serious case of pertussis.

Ruth - yeah. We're going to wait until quite a bit later for the MMR. I'll probably get the rubella shot if I don't have immunity and wait until after 4 for Gwen to get that, since then you only need one shot to get the total benefit!



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/11/2008 7:21:15 PM)

Well, we only got Gwen Prevnar (the Pc vaccine) because my doc doesn't know if we can get the DTaP by itself - here they give Pentacel and it's for diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio and HiB. I wanted to do Pc and HiB together and DTaP separately. She gave me the number for Public Health, so I'll be calling them in the next few days.



EmilyAnn -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 9:21:29 AM)

David has his 2 month check up tomorrow (Kim, can you believe our babies are 2 months old already?!?!) and he will be getting the Pneumococcal vaccine. I am terrified of needles and I am nervous about taking him. Is there anything I can do to make the shot less painful for him?



Sideways -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 10:15:46 AM)

To be honest Emily, this will be worse for you then for him. And if you are nervous and scared, that will only hurt David. You must smile and sound happy no matter what you feel on the inside. Nathan fussed for all of 2 seconds when getting his shots, and he got 3 shots all at once.

Odds are, he will be done crying by the time you pick him up off the exam table. It really, really, really isn't all that bad.



macokjc -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 11:59:08 AM)

I agree. My kids always had fat thighs - so sometimes they didn't even cry. I can't remember ever seeing a needle. The worst part is holding them down, I always felt so mean. However, it's just so they don't move while the shot is going in.



EmilyAnn -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 12:05:42 PM)

I have a needle phobia, so when I say I am terrified of needles I mean I am terrified!! In the past I have passed out, hyperventilated, and thrown up because of my phobia. Every time I see a needle I cry, my pulse and blood pressure go up, and I start shaking.

Can I nurse him while he is getting the shot? Is that allowed? Will it help at all?



Sideways -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 12:16:07 PM)

Are you asking if nursing David will help you? Because seriously, it won't hurt for more then a second or two. Later on he might be sore, and nursing or Tylenol will help.

It sounds as if it might be better for someone else to take David in, if it's going to be so hard for you. Because if you're flipping out, that will be a hundred times worse for David then getting five shots. Seeing his mommy in such a state will not be good for the baby.

Nathan would usually only cry after the second or third shot; the first one was more of a shock, but didn't seem to hurt him that much.



peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 12:40:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EmilyAnn

I have a needle phobia, so when I say I am terrified of needles I mean I am terrified!! In the past I have passed out, hyperventilated, and thrown up because of my phobia. Every time I see a needle I cry, my pulse and blood pressure go up, and I start shaking.

Can I nurse him while he is getting the shot? Is that allowed? Will it help at all?

if someone can't go with you to the apt, then tell the nurse your fainting thing and they will (most likely) gladly "kick" you out of the room for a minute. When we did vax's, I couldn't do them either....either Paul (or my cousin when we lived near her) or the nurse would hold them down and I would leave the room. I would then nurse them as soon as they were done.



manda59 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 5:48:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EmilyAnn
I have a needle phobia, so when I say I am terrified of needles I mean I am terrified!! In the past I have passed out, hyperventilated, and thrown up because of my phobia. Every time I see a needle I cry, my pulse and blood pressure go up, and I start shaking.



But you don't need to look at the needle while he is injected. I didn't with any of mine.

Something you can do to calm yourself is to ask the nurse to talk to you throughout the whole procedure. This is what I do for any injections or blood tests I have to have.



ChelseaRae -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 5:57:50 PM)

Kim, sorry I just saw this!!

We have decided not to vax Mary at all. With everything I read in the Vaccine Book I really felt that because she was an exclusively breastfed infant who wasn't in day care and didn't come in a whole lot of contact with other little ones I didn't feel they were necessary. After reading that book I honestly feel that some of the vaccines are worse than what they are vaccinating for. I still totally respect those who choose to vaccinate their children and I think that book helped me understand the other side as well.

If she ever wanted to go to a third world country for a mission trip or whatever I would strongly encourage her to get certain shots but we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Emily, nursing during injections has been proven to help calm babies during injections and make them less stressful, I would definitely insist on nursing him if I was you!



Karaboo2 -> RE: Vaccination CHAT thread (8/12/2008 9:33:40 PM)

Around here, the docs are all anti-nurse / anti-bottle during the actual shot ... they "claim" that liquid of any sort in the mouth *will* cause the child to choke if s/he has a jumpy/fearful reaction. One doc doesn't even allow a paci in the mouth ... I soooo am not in agreement with these docs!!!



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