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drmark -> Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 4:30:21 PM)

The subject of unintentional sins has arisen on a couple of recent Theology threads. My brief Bible search identifies two major passages of note - Numbers 15:22-29 and Hebrews 9:6-15. I will post them here for convenience:

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Numbers 15:22
"'Now if you unintentionally fail to keep any of these commands the Lord gave Moses--
15:23
any of the Lord's commands to you through him, from the day the Lord gave them and continuing through the generations to come--
15:24
and if this is done unintentionally without the community being aware of it, then the whole community is to offer a young bull for a burnt offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord, along with its prescribed grain offering and drink offering, and a male goat for a sin offering.
15:25
The priest is to make atonement for the whole Israelite community, and they will be forgiven, for it was not intentional and they have brought to the Lord for their wrong an offering made by fire and a sin offering.
15:26
The whole Israelite community and the aliens living among them will be forgiven, because all the people were involved in the unintentional wrong.
15:27
"'But if just one person sins unintentionally, he must bring a year-old female goat for a sin offering.
15:28
The priest is to make atonement before the Lord for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made for him, he will be forgiven.
15:29
One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether he is a native-born Israelite or an alien.


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Hebrews 9:6
When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry.
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But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
9:8
The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.
9:9
This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.
9:10
They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
9:11
When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
9:12
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
9:13
The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
9:14
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
9:15
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.


So, my opening questions for consideration are the following: How do we acknowledge, confess, and repent of sins we do not even realize we've committed? Is there a different application or mechanism of grace for forgiveness of sins done in ignorance between the OT Levitical system and the NT Atonement?



LCannon -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:01:46 PM)

It's not at what point one's responsible; it's when you become responsible for a personal wrong the appropriate apology is warranted. All sin's penalty, intentional and not, was paid at Jesus' cross at his perfect obedience.



figmentPez -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:07:06 PM)

DrMark, I thought you didn't believe in unintentional sin. I thought your definition of sin required that all sin be knowingly and willfully done.



drmark -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:12:21 PM)

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All sin's penalty, intentional and not, was paid at Jesus' cross at his perfect obedience.
What about the Hebrew patriarchs, prophets, great men and women of faith all of whom lived before the crucifixion. Are they in heaven now?

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DrMark, I thought you didn't believe in unintentional sin. I thought your definition of sin required that all sin be knowingly and willfully done.
Looks like you thought wrong, figPez! How will this sin of ignorance of yours be reconciled?



Bluethread -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:14:26 PM)

This is an interesting issue and one I have been wanting to look into.

As the passages quoted point out there is a sacrifice for unintentional sin and we see by example that Iyov periodically purified his children and made sacrifice for them in a preemptive manner.

(Job)1:4 His sons used to take turns holding feasts in their homes, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would send and have them purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, "Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." This was Job's regular custom.

This, I believe, is how we are to deal with unknown and/or unintentional sin. The question I have is, where is it written regarding dealing with intentional sin. I know we presume redemption for intentional sin to be a given, but, where is it written.



rcjames -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:23:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LCannon

It's not at what point one's responsible; it's when you become responsible for a personal wrong the appropriate apology is warranted. All sin's penalty, intentional and not, was paid at Jesus' cross at his perfect obedience.


Well according to Scripture the intentional sin seems to fall under a different catagory;

(Hebrews 10:26,27) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Thanks
RC



drmark -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:24:49 PM)

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This, I believe, is how we are to deal with unknown and/or unintentional sin.
Do you have any NT passage to support your "belief"? Indeed Bluethread, in the following chapter, Hebrews 10:14 states that Jesus has made perfect forever those who are being made holy by His once and for all Sacrifice. Why should any Christian continue to sacrifice burnt offerings for sins of any kind?



figmentPez -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:26:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

Looks like you thought wrong, figPez! How will this sin of ignorance of yours be reconciled?


I didn't know it was a sin simply to be ignorant of the thoughts of another human being?



drmark -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:44:25 PM)

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I didn't know it was a sin simply to be ignorant of the thoughts of another human being?
So, your comment was made in perfect love, without any malice toward me or desire to show off to others posting here? Don't answer that, figPez! Instead, please answer my original questions if you wish to continue the appropriate discussion. And perhaps you would share your definition of "sins of ignorance".



Bluethread -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:55:37 PM)

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drmark:
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This, I believe, is how we are to deal with unknown and/or unintentional sin.Do you have any NT passage to support your "belief"? Indeed Bluethread, in the following chapter, Hebrews 10:14 states that Jesus has made perfect forever those who are being made holy by His once and for all Sacrifice. Why should any Christian continue to sacrifice burnt offerings for sins of any kind?


I have made it clear in other threads that we can not sacrifice burnt offerings because there is no Temple. Also,if there was one, those sacrifices would not be for forgiveness of sin, but would be acts of obedience for a reminder.

Let's try to stay on topic. My point is that we should not wait for specific faults to come to our attention. Whatever one may do to acknowledge their sins before Adonai, I believe, those things should be done on a routine basis as an act of worship.



figmentPez -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 5:57:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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I didn't know it was a sin simply to be ignorant of the thoughts of another human being?
So, your comment was made in perfect love, without any malice toward me or desire to show off to others posting here? Don't answer that, figPez! Instead, please answer my original questions if you wish to continue the appropriate discussion. And perhaps you would share your definition of "sins of ignorance".


Well, I can't say that they were made in perfect love, they were just made in honest confusion. I wasn't posting with malice, I was just confused as to why you started this thread, because I honestly thought that your definition of Christian perfection depended on it being impossible to sin without intent.

A sin of ignorance is any wrong action that is made when someone is unaware that their action was sin. A good example, I think, would be unwittingly teaching false doctrine. For instance, many Christians wrongly believe that the Son of God came into existence when Jesus Christ was born of Mary, and do not realize that proper Christian belief is that the Son of God is eternally begotten of the Father. Promoting the falsehood that the Son's sonship is dependent on His human birth is a sin, even if the person teaching that honestly believes in what they're saying. There are, I'm certain, many more ways to sin without realizing it.

Sins made in ignorance are forgiven the same way as any other sin. By grace through faith. Faith that God will save us, beyond our human ability to save ourselves. "By faith, Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going." (Heb 11:8) We don't have to know everything to follow God, because God makes up for our lack.



drmark -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 6:17:24 PM)

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I honestly thought that your definition of Christian perfection depended on it being impossible to sin without intent.
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A sin of ignorance is any wrong action that is made when someone is unaware that their action was sin.
Okay, thanks, fig, I'm really trying to understand your position here. I have never stated on any thread anywhere that it is impossible for a sanctified Believer living in Christian perfection to never sin. Thus, your thought was a "wrong action", however you contest it's qualification as sin. So, what makes an action sin or why is an action sinful?

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Sins made in ignorance are forgiven the same way as any other sin. By grace through faith.
But that's not what Numbers 22 says about how to be forgiven of unintentional sins. When did the mechanism for forgiveness change? Bluethread says he should follow Job's regular custom. Is he wrong? Is that a sin of ignorance if he is wrong?



figmentPez -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 7:26:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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I honestly thought that your definition of Christian perfection depended on it being impossible to sin without intent.
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A sin of ignorance is any wrong action that is made when someone is unaware that their action was sin.
Okay, thanks, fig, I'm really trying to understand your position here. I have never stated on any thread anywhere that it is impossible for a sanctified Believer living in Christian perfection to never sin. Thus, your thought was a "wrong action", however you contest it's qualification as sin. So, what makes an action sin or why is an action sinful?


Well, on other threads you have said it is possible for a Christian to be completely surrendered to God and to always act perfectly in every deed doing exactly as if God were acting Himself. However, you also denied that perfect knowledge goes along with that. So I guess I'm a little confused as to how someone can have imperfect knowledge and yet still act perfectly without sin 100% of the time. That, however, would seem to be off-topic at this point, since we're not talking about the avoidance of unintentional sin, but what is done about those sins.

When I said "wrong action" I didn't expect to be taken so literally. I assumed that my reference to that "wrong action" being a sin that wasn't known to be a sin, would be sufficient to explain that I wasn't talking about any an all incorrect actions, but specifically those wrong actions that are against God. It's hard enough to come up with a working definition of sin that can be summed up in a sentence, let alone a paragraph, and adding in "unintentional" only makes it that much harder to succinctly describe what is a violation of God's perfect Law (not just the Mosaic Law, but the actual standard that God desires). I'm not sure how I can phrase a definition of sin to avoid all misunderstanding.

My understanding of your beliefs was incorrect, but I have no idea if I sinned because of my ignorance. I did not knowingly prejudice myself against you, or otherwise intentionally fail to love you, as God would have me do, because of my failure to understand your doctrinal stance. However, it is possible that I did fail to follow the perfect course of action that God would have had me do, if my knowledge had been perfect. I'm not concerned about my human frailty, because God is bigger than my mistakes.

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Sins made in ignorance are forgiven the same way as any other sin. By grace through faith.
But that's not what Numbers 22 says about how to be forgiven of unintentional sins. When did the mechanism for forgiveness change? Bluethread says he should follow Job's regular custom. Is he wrong? Is that a sin of ignorance if he is wrong?


The mechanism for forgiveness did not change, because the sacrifices of the OT never truly provided the forgiveness of sin, unintentional or not, "For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." (Heb 10:4) All the sacrifices of the OT were faithfully looking forward to God providing the ultimate sacrifice. The sacrifices of the OT were about faith and obedience.

Bluethread, who denies the triune God, has more serious doctrinal issues than what he believes about Job's sacrifices. However, it is likely his rejection of the revealed nature of the true God has led him to false belief in many other areas. It would be clearcut to call Bluethread's proposal sin if he were claiming that another sacrifice besides Christ were necessary to forgive sin, but that doesn't seem to be the case. However, he still could be wrong that God would desire animal sacrifice any longer, and if he taught contrary to what God would command, then that is sin. Hebrews 13 does talk about acceptable sacrifices "And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." (Heb 13:16)



FreeGrace -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 8:56:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark
So, my opening questions for consideration are the following: How do we acknowledge, confess, and repent of sins we do not even realize we've committed? Is there a different application or mechanism of grace for forgiveness of sins done in ignorance between the OT Levitical system and the NT Atonement?

drmark,
I think the answer if found in 1 John 1:9, not the OT. "If we confess our sins (known-or how else can you confess what you don't know), he is faithful and just to forgive our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (all our unknown sins).

So, we continually acknowledge and confess the sins we are aware of, and, at the same time, God cleanses us of the sins we are unaware of.

Along the way, if we ask God to reveal sins that we are unaware of, He will surely do that. And then we confess them.



drmark -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/14/2008 11:01:01 PM)

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So I guess I'm a little confused as to how someone can have imperfect knowledge and yet still act perfectly without sin 100% of the time. That, however, would seem to be off-topic at this point,
Yes, I have found a very large number of folks posting here who are "confused" about Christian perfection. But as you say, that is off-topic. Except for the fact that Wesleyan/Holiness doctrine does not recognize unintentional errors as sin, properly so called. So in a round about way, I exonerate your "wrong beliefs" of my doctrine due to semantic differences. [:)]

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we're not talking about the avoidance of unintentional sin, but what is done about those sins.
Just a quick question here: how is it possible to avoid unintentional sin if it is unintended?

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I'm not sure how I can phrase a definition of sin to avoid all misunderstanding.
Given the incredibly wide variety of soteriological belief systems exhibited on these boards, you will NOT avoid all misunderstanding!

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I did not knowingly prejudice myself against you, or otherwise intentionally fail to love you, as God would have me do, because of my failure to understand your doctrinal stance.
Then you did not sin, brother fig, because sin, properly so called, is a willful disobedience of a known law of God.

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The sacrifices of the OT were about faith and obedience.
Ahh, but several NT passages specifically state that OT persons had their faith/obedience credited to them as righteousness. Thus, wouldn't sacrificing in faith and obedience lead to salvation?

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Hebrews 13 does talk about acceptable sacrifices "And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." (Heb 13:16)
Yes fig, I really like this idea. Somewhat similar to 1 Sam 15:22 and Psalm 40:6 it seems to me.

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So, we continually acknowledge and confess the sins we are aware of, and, at the same time, God cleanses us of the sins we are unaware of.
Thank you, FreeGrace, this is exactly how I believe his forgiveness works also. Let's see what some others say.



deliveredarling -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 6:40:17 AM)

Are unintentional sins and sins of ignorance the same thing? I ask because of this verse:
Hsa 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

The Israelites perished because of a lack of knowledge. It wasn't that the knowledge wasn't given to them, it was because they choose to ignore the knowledge that was.



DougHorton -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 11:29:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LCannon

It's not at what point one's responsible; it's when you become responsible for a personal wrong the appropriate apology is warranted. All sin's penalty, intentional and not, was paid at Jesus' cross at his perfect obedience.


Amen!

ALL of a believer's sin, intentional and unintentional, was laid on Christ and He bore God's wrath. In return, the righteousness of His life was laid on the believer -- double imputation. Jesus never sinned, intentionally or unintentionally, so when the believer is judged, there is NO sin, , intentional or unintentional, to be found, only the perfect obedience of Christ.

In other words, to be justified does not only mean that it is "just as if I'd never sinned" (that is only forgiveness), but it is also "just as if I'd always lived in prefect obedience to the Law".



Mannamuncher -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 12:19:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Are unintentional sins and sins of ignorance the same thing? I ask because of this verse:
Hsa 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

The Israelites perished because of a lack of knowledge. It wasn't that the knowledge wasn't given to them, it was because they choose to ignore the knowledge that was.

Unintentional sin is a manmade term. A sensitive heart knows when it sins

and has godly sorrow that leads to repentance. Problem here is that so

many folk have brainwashed themselves into the self-convincing that

they do not commit sin, they cannot distinguish between obvious sin and

sin that they think might have been committed. We sin...confess it !!!



Bluethread -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 1:14:28 PM)

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figmentPez:

Bluethread, who denies the triune God, has more serious doctrinal issues than what he believes about Job's sacrifices. However, it is likely his rejection of the revealed nature of the true God has led him to false belief in many other areas. It would be clearcut to call Bluethread's proposal sin if he were claiming that another sacrifice besides Christ were necessary to forgive sin, but that doesn't seem to be the case. However, he still could be wrong that God would desire animal sacrifice any longer, and if he taught contrary to what God would command, then that is sin. Hebrews 13 does talk about acceptable sacrifices "And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." (Heb 13:16)


1Co 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

Paul also tells us that if you have something against somebody, there is a proper way of handling that. Had your criticism been on topic, I might have just overlooked this, but what does ones view of trinitarianism have to do with or any of my other "false beliefs" have to do with the forgiveness of unintensional sin? Are sins forgiven by bluethread or figmentPez? By no means! If you wish to discuss the positions I take, then discuss the positions. They are not my positions. I did not invent them, nor do I own them. I merely hold them because they appear to me to be the most reasonable given my understanding of the Scriptures. Therefore, let's focus in the Scriptures and reasonable argumentation not the denegrating of others to support our positions.

Now, if I may speak for myself, as I said in post#10

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I have made it clear in other threads that we can not sacrifice burnt offerings because there is no Temple. Also,if there was one, those sacrifices would not be for forgiveness of sin, but would be acts of obedience for a reminder.

Let's try to stay on topic. My point is that we should not wait for specific faults to come to our attention. Whatever one may do to acknowledge their sins before Adonai, I believe, those things should be done on a routine basis as an act of worship.


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drmark:

Ahh, but several NT passages specifically state that OT persons had their faith/obedience credited to them as righteousness. Thus, wouldn't sacrificing in faith and obedience lead to salvation?


Only in that the truth might dawn on someone as they do such things, as in one reciting the four spiritual laws or partaking of "the lord's supper". The sacrifices were not counted as righteouness. The faith in Adonai's grace that lead them to make the sacrifices was credited to them as righteousness, as are our febble attempts at acknowledge our faith in Adonai's grace.



drmark -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 2:36:34 PM)

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Are unintentional sins and sins of ignorance the same thing?
Both of these terms are used interchangeably in several translations.

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It wasn't that the knowledge wasn't given to them, it was because they choose to ignore the knowledge that was.
I don't understand this, dd. If one "chooses to ignore", it must be intentional.

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Jesus never sinned, intentionally or unintentionally, so when the believer is judged, there is NO sin, , intentional or unintentional, to be found, only the perfect obedience of Christ.

In other words, to be justified does not only mean that it is "just as if I'd never sinned" (that is only forgiveness), but it is also "just as if I'd always lived in prefect obedience to the Law".
So does that mean we can deliberately sin to our hearts' content as long as we believe that Christ's obedience counts as our obedience? NOT!

Let's stay on the topic, Doug, which is UNintentional sins of ignorance. Thanks.

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Unintentional sin is a manmade term.
Mannamuncher, did you bother to read Numbers 15 in the OP? If not, was that an unintentional sin? If so, you must believe God's Word is "manmade". Is that an unintentional sin? Or should we just make up our own definition of sin to suit the situation?

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A sensitive heart knows when it sins

We sin...confess it !!!
So, you're claiming that every disobedience to God's Will is deliberate and that this thread is a complete waste of time since all sin is known to the one committing it. Tell us, Mm, how old do you estimate the average child to be when s/he commits her/his first sin? What is your best guess as to the lowest IQ below which a person cannot sin?



Heavendweller -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 3:45:39 PM)

I think David addressed this matter intentional, conscious sin as opposed to committing a wrong unintentionally rather well. "But who can discern his errors? Clear thou me from hidden faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me! Then I shall be blameless, and innocent of great transgression."

It seems that David is differentiating between "hidden faults" and "presumptuous sins." In the first example, he alludes to the idea of mistakes or wrongs done unwittingly. That is, without full knowledge and intent to do wrong. I think if we really consider this idea, all of us at one time or another have done things in the weakness of our flesh, without realizing at that time that what we were doing was wrong. But later, the Holy Spirit convicted us of our previous wrong-doing. I know that in times past I have offended others, without even meaning to or even realizing that I did. But then that person told me the effect upon them of what I had done, and I apologized. I would consider these examples to be "hidden faults." It wouldn't surprise me that I have committed hidden faults of which I am yet unaware. In this case, I would not consider it sin.

"For him who knows what is right to do but fails to do it, for him it is sin." St. James 4:17 This verse describes the nature of David's latter example which is "presumptuous sin." In this case, it is clear that the sin is committed boldly and with an awareness that one is committing the sin, and yet one willingly gives their full consent anyway. No wiggle room here. [:D]

Another point I would like to make is that while we have a sinful nature as humans, actual sin is something quite different. For example, a new-born baby is born with original sin, but does not commit actual sin. Actual sin involves the intellect, that is, knowing that something is wrong and doing it anyway regardless of the knowledge or possible consequences.

Oddly enough, I recall as a child, one of the first times I actually sinned. I must have been around 5 or 6 years old. I stole candy at the grocery store and hid it in my pocket. The lady who worked in the produce section caught me and confronted me. Boy, did I ever feel guilty! And I knew it was wrong to steal without ever having any Christian instruction on such matters. (I was raised in an atheist/agnostic home)

I think the real question begs to be asked, "What should we do when we have committed "hidden faults" and the Holy Spirit convicts us later on of our wrong-doing? My answer: Confess the sin and repent of it. I know, those are two dirty words to some folks on this forum. [;)] So, on the contrary, what becomes of our spiritual condition if the Holy Spirit convicts us of our hidden faults and we just brush it under the rug?

Now that I've rambled on.....

Heavendweller



Bluethread -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 3:55:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DougHorton

In other words, to be justified does not only mean that it is "just as if I'd never sinned" (that is only forgiveness), but it is also "just as if I'd always lived in prefect obedience to the Law".


I must disagree. Neither of those idioms gives glory to Adonai. They just say, to quote Gilda Ratner, "Never mind." It is significant that we were in rebellion. That is why the Accuser will use us as His defense at The Judgement and then Adonai can say to the Accuser, "That sin was paid for by death and you too will recieve the same punishment."



bob97 -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 7:56:55 PM)

Is not the definition of sin…any thing that falls short of the perfect will of God?

Bob



Mannamuncher -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 9:39:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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Unintentional sin is a manmade term.
Mannamuncher, did you bother to read Numbers 15 in the OP? If not, was that an unintentional sin? If so, you must believe God's Word is "manmade". Is that an unintentional sin? Or should we just make up our own definition of sin to suit the situation?


Save your haughtiness friend...Your jab is a bit unloving pertaining to my unbelief in God's word. Your actions don't coincide with your position.[;)]
I understand sin, those who lessen or minimize our eggregious offenses are the one's who fail to acknowledge the falling short of God's perfection.
As for Numbers 15, it pertains to the laws of grain & drink offerings ! Why
pretend that can be compared with loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength ? This no one can do, therefore we fall short, and that would be a sin, at least for those who can beat their breast in humility.



Mannamuncher -> RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? (5/15/2008 9:48:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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A sensitive heart knows when it sins

We sin...confess it !!!
So, you're claiming that every disobedience to God's Will is deliberate and that this thread is a complete waste of time since all sin is known to the one committing it.

Yep, I am a stinky sinner. I did it. The devil didn't make me do it. I sinned. I am a sinner. To say I am not a sinner would be a lie, and that would be a sin. Jesus said there was no need to take a bath if your feet were dirty, just wash your feet. Your feet inevitably will again get dirty. So wash 'em. They get dirty again, then wash them again. Your whole body is not filthy, only the feet. Wanting to be clean is noble, just not realistic.



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