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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 10:14:30 AM
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lightshineon
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Well here is the deal with me atleast if offends my AA, brothers and sisters then it is wrong. I would think if this bar owner put a regular monkey, or ape it might have more racial overtones. CG is so cute, but like I said if anything causes offense do not do it. In truth, I would not wear it anyway, thinking about it. I am not going to do anything to hurt anyone, if possible, or with intent.
I am not your T-Shirt type woman, anyway in public, for the most part. Just on rare occasion I wear T-shirts., I dress in lady like clothes, nice shirts. I am well dressed, because I am a foo foo woman. I for sure would not wear one making a political statement.  Sorry not me, and what WWJD?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 11:06:36 AM
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...All racism matters, you cannot get into Heaven with it in your heart.
Behold, the Fifth Spiritual Law of Salvation.
Let's put that on a T-shirt.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 11:10:26 AM
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JimboFletch
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While the T-shirt itself can be without racial foundation only someone living in a cave the last 400 years can pretend that people are not going to derived from it racism because of what has and is going on in the world. I didn't grow up in the South, but I did grow up in South Sacramento( a very, very diverse area) and I heard more than once white and black kids(and even adults) making references to black and apes…
John
Just what I've said all along, only Yankees and liberals see a link between monkeys and blacks.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 12:24:43 PM
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tracydolls
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So no souherners said this about blacks?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 12:32:23 PM
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JimboFletch
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So no souherners said this about blacks?
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but I was born and raised in the Deep South by Southerners and never have I heard anyone in my 56 years use apes/monkeys/babbons or any other primates to describe blacks. The only two animals I've ever heard used in a derogarory way against blacks were coons (which aren't apes or monkeys) and bunnies.
Until I was about 6, I called my mother's youngest brother, "Monkey's Uncle." That made, well, ME the monkey.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 12:39:10 PM
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tracydolls
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ok you didnt, but you also don't think that of the other millions living in the south, noone did?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 12:46:09 PM
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ok you didnt, but you also don't think that of the other millions living in the south, noone did?
Okay, you have me there... When you're talking millions of people, I'm sure there some morons in any group that can be found to say & think anything - even that mice are really Leprechauns.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 3:27:07 PM
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tracydolls
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Jimbo
you ever seen the gator eating the black child knickknack sold in Florida?
Pinky swear.
Here's a site you can mull over.
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/traveling/grid/29.htm
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 3:35:30 PM
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JimboFletch
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you ever seen the gator eating the black child knickknack sold in Florida?
Pinky swear.
No. You have to keep in mind that there are 3 different Floridas: South, Central, and North. Each one is a distinct culture. (The stupidest bigot I ever met was in Central Florida.)
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Here's a site you can mull over.
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/traveling/grid/29.htm
I cannot imagine why on earth you'd want to post a link to a site like that... There are some things I do not want burned into my brain.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 3:44:04 PM
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tracydolls
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Here's a site you can mull over.
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/traveling/grid/29.htm
I cannot imagine why on earth you'd want to post a link to a site like that... There are some things I do not want burned into my brain.
LOL. Now you see what we are going thru with this Tshirt, go thru the site. It is a museum started by a white guy.
Racist artifacts is one of the biggest growing collectors items. I have alot of it.
The Tshirt will probaly become a "item"
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 3:48:59 PM
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I lived through part of the era in the South and through the transition away from it. The T-shirt is from 2008 and I've seen nothing like it before this thread.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 4:02:11 PM
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That stuff was all over when I was a kid in the 1960's.
and it is hot as collectors items..check it out on ebay.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 4:06:52 PM
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tracydolls
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Jimbo,
the Tshirt is just a continuation of what has been going on 100's of years.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8410111/
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/mammies/more/mammy01.htm
I know you know who Mammy is. Right?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 4:24:27 PM
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The T-shirt and the grotesque caricatures on the stamps are not the same thing, IMO. Those stamps are obviously offensive - like the original Amos & Andy shows of the 20s-50s.
I just do not make any connection between blacks and non-human primates.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 4:27:44 PM
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JimboFletch
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I know you know who Mammy is. Right?
You added that after I posted.
Sure, I'm very familiar with the the Mammy stereotype. Even though she's another caricature, she's not a monkey or ape.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 7:19:46 PM
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You have to keep in mind that there are 3 different Floridas: South, Central, and North. Each one is a distinct culture. (The stupidest bigot I ever met was in Central Florida.)
Bigotry and racism can reside anywhere. Geography really doesn't matter.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 7:21:37 PM
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Tracy, that racism museum at FSU is mind-blowing. I'd like to visit it if I get a chance.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 7:38:36 PM
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You have to keep in mind that there are 3 different Floridas: South, Central, and North. Each one is a distinct culture. (The stupidest bigot I ever met was in Central Florida.)
Bigotry and racism can reside anywhere. Geography really doesn't matter.
Don't forget in the imagination of the liberal mindset also.
Thanks
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/19/2008 7:47:40 PM
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todd_t
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Don't forget in the imagination of the liberal mindset also.
Please tell me you're not suggesting that racism is imaginary.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/20/2008 3:49:20 AM
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tracydolls
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The T-shirt and the grotesque caricatures on the stamps are not the same thing, IMO. Those stamps are obviously offensive - like the original Amos & Andy shows of the 20s-50s.
so you don't see the connection between the stamps and Curious George, 2 monkeys displayed as black men?
OK.
Mammy was also displayed as ape.
"Mammy" was actually a slave person, important to plantation life.
She often cooked all the meals, raised all of the children, etc.
Gone with Wind? Roots?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/20/2008 4:16:22 AM
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tracydolls
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Tracy, that racism museum at FSU is mind-blowing. I'd like to visit it if I get a chance.
Todd-T,
That's why the 'net is so good. I "visit" museums all the time.
Here's some more good ones. He is a white guy who is a Christian, also was involved with NBA? as Chaplain. Joel Freeman.
http://www.freemaninstitute.com/RTGhistory.htm
""See for yourself. The photos you are about to view in a few moments are not so much "Afro Centric" as they are "Truth Centric".
http://www.preserveala.org/gaineswood.aspx?sm=g_i
My families museum, one of 12.
This tshirt is racist.
sign.....They'll probaly sell like hotcakes, probaly on ebay already.
As a former collector of racist memobilia, I almost want one!
I used to think I could buy it all off the streets, did'nt see much in MN.
Then I researched the stuff. Too much I could never afford it.
Bill Cosby, Oprah, Whoopi Goldberg, Spike Lee, all are collectors of racist memobilia, they havent been able to buy it all.
It keeps getting made.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/20/2008 7:56:04 AM
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The T-shirt and the grotesque caricatures on the stamps are not the same thing, IMO. Those stamps are obviously offensive - like the original Amos & Andy shows of the 20s-50s.
so you don't see the connection between the stamps and Curious George, 2 monkeys displayed as black men?
OK.
Mammy was also displayed as ape.
Tracy, are you honestly seeing apes in those caricatures? I am thoroughly amazed. I respectfully submit that you have bought into someone else's hysteria.
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"Mammy" was actually a slave person, important to plantation life.
She often cooked all the meals, raised all of the children, etc.
Gone with Wind? Roots?
I said that I am very familiar with the Mammy stereotype, I don't need a history lesson. I was, as I've said, raised in the South by southerners... I even saw the movie.
My question is: do you understand what caricatures are? Mammy and the other caricatures are not covered in hair, hanging from trees, eating bananas, etc. They are portrayed - racially offensive, for sure - with exaggerated features, not as animals.
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