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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 10:52:47 AM
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tracydolls
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Why is that the only thing you picked up on? What about the part where our reaction is our responsibility? Why do people like to dance around the subject of their own responsibility for their own sin but never address it?
And while I'm at it, why do we focus on all the bad and never consider Phillipians 4:8? Speaking for myself, when I actually do practice Phillipians 4:8, I don't have time for the other stuff. But I confess...I don't do it often because it's just much more fun to feel sorry for myself and wallow in my personal mud puddle! Look at me...I've been hurt! Boo-hoo...pity me...feel sorry for me...gimme!
How is a black person responsible for a racist white bar owner making a TSHIRT that is racist?
I certainly don't feel sorry for myself or any black person. Our reward is in Heaven. They can keep this mess.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 10:56:34 AM
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Tell me, do YOU see a resembance between blacks and monkeys - and why or why not?
LOL.LOL.
There is a history of using blacks to look like apes. You can try to revise that history here and now if it pleases you.
But it is there nonetheless.
People now have their own racism to deal with, I'm not asking anyone to apologize for their fathers. But also don't lie and say your father did'nt do it.
Come on now, you know history when it comes to African Americans is either ignored or changed when it does not fit a belief or ideology around these parts.
I would seriously like to challenge all those here who do not find a problem with this T-Shirt to take a week and research the Negro/African American - ape stereotypical connection, the negative imagery, it's history and why so many of African Americans find it offensive. People want proof…well the internet is a big world and there is plenty of information out here about this, articles and pictures. YOu can even go to your local library. I seriously doubt anyone here would actually do it because the minds are made up and there is no changing it. So continue to believe African Americans are overreacting and that we should get over it. Continue to believe that Curious George is a cute harmless characterization of Senator Obama. I believe many here are either being dishonest or ignorant to the negative historical connection between African Americans/Negros/Blacks/or whatever people are calling us these days and monkeys.
Funny thing about this T-shirt, I found the King Kong like imagery of Lebron James and a white model on the cover of Vogue magazine more offensive than the shirt. If he would have seen the original picture, I bet he would not have done that cover. Oh yeah, I forgot what site I'm on, I guess there is nothing wrong with that picture either.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 10:58:13 AM
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JimboFletch
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How is a black person responsible for a racist white bar owner making a TSHIRT that is racist?
To coin a phrase:
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. (Eleanor Roosevelt ?)
And another:
It's your fault for seeing evil when none was intended.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 11:04:11 AM
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To coin a phrase:
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. (Eleanor Roosevelt ?)
And another:
It's your fault for seeing evil when none was intended.
jimbo,
ME- feel inferior, are you kidding, I'm still trying to get rid of my" If you cannot sit in the Sun with me and not burn YOU are not MY equal!"" thoughts.
LOL.
I used to think white people made up this stuff because they KNEW they were inferior. LOL.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 11:13:36 AM
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You got that from me WHERE?
Reread-that used to be my attitude towards Whites.
That they were not my equal if they could not sit in Sun and not burn.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 11:17:13 AM
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...I believe many here are either being dishonest or ignorant to the negative historical connection between African Americans/Negros/Blacks/or whatever people are calling us these days and monkeys...
I have no idea how old you are or if you've been stuck in racist Maryland all your life, but as I've stated, I lived through the transition of the old South into integration and the beginning of meaningful civil rights for blacks. I was raised by Southerners in the South of the 50s & 60s. I'm not ignorant of the real South.
As I offered Tracy, feel free to be honest and call me a liar, but I've never seen blacks to made to look like monkeys or other non-human primates in the 50s, 60s, or 70s. And the pictures linked so far do not look like monkeys.
If you can look at those demeaning depictions of blacks and see them as apes/monkeys, I submit that you are the one with a perception problem.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 11:26:14 AM
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Why is that the only thing you picked up on? What about the part where our reaction is our responsibility? Why do people like to dance around the subject of their own responsibility for their own sin but never address it?
And while I'm at it, why do we focus on all the bad and never consider Phillipians 4:8? Speaking for myself, when I actually do practice Phillipians 4:8, I don't have time for the other stuff. But I confess...I don't do it often because it's just much more fun to feel sorry for myself and wallow in my personal mud puddle! Look at me...I've been hurt! Boo-hoo...pity me...feel sorry for me...gimme!
How is a black person responsible for a racist white bar owner making a TSHIRT that is racist?
I certainly don't feel sorry for myself or any black person. Our reward is in Heaven. They can keep this mess.
I'm sorry...what??? How did you get this from what I wrote? "How is a black person responsible for a racist white bar owner making a TSHIRT that is racist?"
I'm sorry...did I say that? Or is this a case of projection? Ahhhh....hmmmm.
Oh, and what does being "black" have to do with what I said? Are you trying to tell me it's only blacks that feel sorry for themselves and wallow in puddles? Well, I think not, therefore, I wrote not!
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 11:41:30 AM
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...I would seriously like to challenge all those here who do not find a problem with this T-Shirt to take a week and research the Negro/African American - ape stereotypical connection, the negative imagery, it's history and why so many of African Americans find it offensive...
Dear day-late-and-a-dollar-short, it's been done and you, like others, seem confused as to the difference between a caricature and a characterization.
I'll ask you, oh enlightened one, do YOU see a resemblance between monkeys and blacks more than other humans?
I wonder if you'll give a straight answer or do more pontification and avoid the issue.
Of course I don't and I never had, but this country negative history of stereotyping and characterization saids different . Look it up. I'm not making it up and I'm not grabbing stuff out the air.
I won't argue with a single bit about stereotyping and characterization done to demean blacks. I, however, dispute the odd notion that those dispicable caricatures look like monkeys. Blacks don't look like monkeys to you and they don't to me. Yet, a cartoon character is racist...
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 11:45:24 AM
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...I believe many here are either being dishonest or ignorant to the negative historical connection between African Americans/Negros/Blacks/or whatever people are calling us these days and monkeys...
I have no idea how old you are or if you've been stuck in racist Maryland all your life, but as I've stated, I lived through the transition of the old South into integration and the beginning of meaningful civil rights for blacks. I was raised by Southerners in the South of the 50s & 60s. I'm not ignorant of the real South.
As I offered Tracy, feel free to be honest and call me a liar, but I've never seen blacks to made to look like monkeys or other non-human primates in the 50s, 60s, or 70s. And the pictures linked so far do not look like monkeys.
If you can look at those demeaning depictions of blacks and see them as apes/monkeys, I submit that you are the one with a perception problem.
Furtunately I have not spend all my life in Maryland. My mom was raised in the south, part of the civil rights era, and arressted for protesting and sit ins and my pops is from the deep, deep, deep, deep south (Jamaica ). Now I guess both my mom and you lived in 2 different worlds because she endure being called ni**a, coon, porch monkey, and being compared to things that are sub-human. Did she make that up? Was she lying to me? Hell, I saw my dad punch a white guy out for calling me a "little ape" when I was a kid. Why was I called a "little ape"? Well because I knocked something down in his store. This was in the early 80's. Deny it all you want.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 11:52:49 AM
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...I believe many here are either being dishonest or ignorant to the negative historical connection between African Americans/Negros/Blacks/or whatever people are calling us these days and monkeys...
I have no idea how old you are or if you've been stuck in racist Maryland all your life, but as I've stated, I lived through the transition of the old South into integration and the beginning of meaningful civil rights for blacks. I was raised by Southerners in the South of the 50s & 60s. I'm not ignorant of the real South.
As I offered Tracy, feel free to be honest and call me a liar, but I've never seen blacks to made to look like monkeys or other non-human primates in the 50s, 60s, or 70s. And the pictures linked so far do not look like monkeys.
If you can look at those demeaning depictions of blacks and see them as apes/monkeys, I submit that you are the one with a perception problem.
Furtunately I have not spend all my life in Maryland. My mom was raised in the south, part of the civil rights era, and arressted for protesting and sit ins and my pops is from the deep, deep, deep, deep south (Jamaica ). Now I guess both my mom and you lived in 2 different worlds because she endure being called ni**a, coon, porch monkey, and being compared to things that are sub-human. Did she make that up? Was she lying to me? Hell, I saw my dad punch a white guy out for calling me a "little ape" when I was a kid. Why was I called a "little ape"? Well because I knocked something down in his store. This was in the early 80's. Deny it all you want.
Ken, I am deeply sorry that you and your parents were ever exposed to such treatment. I was cussed out as a baby-killer while just walking down the street in the 70s for being in the military, but it does not compare to the mistreatment of children, women, and men for just being. And any person that would do that in the 1980s was a complete fool.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:00:55 PM
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Oh, here's a little secret...the "white" community has always quietly suspected that the "black " community had a huge chip on it collective shoulder. NOW I finally understand why that's been so widely believed!
Wow! Color me surprised!
Since the white community knows that a chip is there because of slavery, Jim Crow, and the racism that still exits today. Why are you surprised?
You think you can do things to people for over 300 years and they are not going get angry?
You think you can make Tshirts about our next prez. and it will not anger some people?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:03:01 PM
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Come on now, you know history when it comes to African Americans is either ignored or changed when it does not fit a belief or ideology around these parts.
OK Ken, be sure you have your aluminum hat on very tight or it will not be effective.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:07:51 PM
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Hell, I saw my dad punch a white guy out for calling me a "little ape" when I was a kid. Why was I called a "little ape"? Well because I knocked something down in his store. This was in the early 80's. Deny it all you want.
And in this racist evil southern town your dad was not lynched for assulting a white man. Must have not been a very racist town.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:10:12 PM
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Oh, here's a little secret...the "white" community has always quietly suspected that the "black " community had a huge chip on it collective shoulder. NOW I finally understand why that's been so widely believed!
Wow! Color me surprised!
Since the white community knows that a chip is there because of slavery, Jim Crow, and the racism that still exits today. Why are you surprised?
You think you can do things to people for over 300 years and they are not going get angry?
You think you can make Tshirts about our next prez. and it will not anger some people?
Okay, explain how Jim Crow still exists: Where can you find white-only restrooms, water fountains, seating in restaurants, buses, cinemas, etc. and other legal segregation?? Say, isn't one one of the top candidates this year in a major political party black? Was there a special exemption clause in Jim Crow to permit him on the ballot in all 57 states?
As far as 300 years, slaves were freed about 145 years ago and Jim Crow was buried about 40 years ago. Can we expect another 155 - 260 years of angry, unforgiving, sensitive black people????
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:10:28 PM
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And in this racist evil southern town your dad was not lynched for assulting a white man. Must have not been a very racist town.
At least not by a racist standards.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:12:23 PM
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Okay, explain how Jim Crow still exists: Where can you find white-only restrooms, water fountains, seating in restaurants, buses, cinemas, etc. and other legal segregation?? Say, isn't one one of the top candidates this year in a major political party black? Was there a special exemption clause in Jim Crow to permit him on the ballot in all 57 states?
As far as 300 years, slaves were freed about 145 years ago and Jim Crow was buried about 40 years ago. Can we expect another 155 - 260 years of angry, unforgiving, sensitive black people????
The anger has not been vindicated yet. Havent made up for the 300 plus years yet.
Wait till 300 years have passed and then we can talk.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:13:07 PM
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Hell, I saw my dad punch a white guy out for calling me a "little ape" when I was a kid. Why was I called a "little ape"? Well because I knocked something down in his store. This was in the early 80's. Deny it all you want.
And in this racist evil southern town your dad was not lynched for assulting a white man. Must have not been a very racist town.
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RC
What does that suppose to mean?
anyway, I never said the whole town was racists and I never said it was in the south(even though it was). I never said racism exist on a whole with a group of people, but there are many, many individuals who will still remind me or any other African American that it still exists.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:17:32 PM
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Come on now, you know history when it comes to African Americans is either ignored or changed when it does not fit a belief or ideology around these parts.
OK Ken, be sure you have your aluminum hat on very tight or it will not be effective.
Thsnks
RC
I don't need one because if I post any information as it relates to African American and African history best believe it will be a fact. So Mr. RC, maybe you need to stop under-estimating, under-valuing and marginalizing history and open up a book. Like I said to you in another thread, reading is fundamental.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/28/2008 12:17:47 PM
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anyway, I never said the whole town was racists and I never said it was in the south(even though it was). I never said racism exist on a whole with a group of people, but there are many, many individuals who will still remind me or any other African American that it still exists.
And do you think that blacks that hate whites are not racist?
Thanks
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