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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 4:44:59 PM
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Let's get it back to affirmative action please.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 5:10:22 PM
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Affirmative Action, in my opinion, is not a racist policy against the people it is attempting to help. I can't say that I agree with it but, its attempts to repair the damage of our nation's, distant and not so distant, past, I believe, is a noble attempt indeed. That being said, I, also, believe that only God himself could fully compensate a people for what was done in the past and I believe He will. I do not wish to get ahead by holding someone else back.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 6:02:32 PM
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Affirmative Action, in my opinion, is not a racist policy against the people it is attempting to help. I can't say that I agree with it but, its attempts to repair the damage of our nation's, distant and not so distant, past, I believe, is a noble attempt indeed. That being said, I, also, believe that only God himself could fully compensate a people for what was done in the past and I believe He will. I do not wish to get ahead by holding someone else back.
I thought God was in the salvation business, not the compensation and repreatons business.
If everyone has an equal chance then there is no one held back, and AA is racist towards folks of color and sexist towards females.
I maintain that AA is racist and sexist because bu desogn and application it concludes folks of color and females have a deficiency of some sort and cannot compete on a level playing field.
And if that ain't racist there is not a quarter horse in Oklahoma.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 6:20:32 PM
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Affirmative Action, in my opinion, is not a racist policy against the people it is attempting to help. I can't say that I agree with it but, its attempts to repair the damage of our nation's, distant and not so distant, past, I believe, is a noble attempt indeed. That being said, I, also, believe that only God himself could fully compensate a people for what was done in the past and I believe He will. I do not wish to get ahead by holding someone else back.
I thought God was in the salvation business, not the compensation and repreatons business.
If everyone has an equal chance then there is no one held back, and AA is racist towards folks of color and sexist towards females.
I maintain that AA is racist and sexist because bu desogn and application it concludes folks of color and females have a deficiency of some sort and cannot compete on a level playing field.
And if that ain't racist there is not a quarter horse in Oklahoma.
Thsnks
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God is most certainly in the salvation business. He is also in the restoration business. The book of Exodus is an excellent example of that. When I speak of compensation, I don't mean to imply that God is a Robin Hood of sorts, taking from the rich and giving to the poor. No, I simply mean that He is able to grant me the wisdom and favor to get me where I need to be, regardless of the past.
I don't believe that AA was meant to be an insult to the people it was intended to help. However, the very existence of AA seems to automatically imply that men who are not "colored" can't be trusted to hire qualified people of color or women. In my opinion, that's the real insult. I, personally, am not a fan of AA.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 6:39:31 PM
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cannot compete on a level playing field
The problem is it ain't a level playing field.
I say scrap it, let people be racist, let them revel in it.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 6:44:39 PM
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I think it was never intended to be a racist policy. It was intended to right a real wrong that was occurring. But it just didn't work out the way it was planned. Or maybe it did at first but it's outlived its usefulness.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/28/2008 9:57:02 PM
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have been driven from their land by thievery, intimidation, violence and murder.
when?
Most slave owners were farmers. Most slave owners lost it all after the civil war. Those who did not were true businessmen. accomplished with business skills. They either passed these down to other generations through their genes or through teachings.
The rich are rich for a reason...and that mostly is NOT thievery and exploitation. This is a common held belief not to free people from poverty but to keep them there through excuse making. If you believe rich people exist because they took advantage of poor people and in effect cvause poverties then you are believing hurtful lies designed to keep you poor.
To me, liberalism and socialism has hurt the minority community much worse than racism.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/29/2008 5:13:24 AM
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when?
Most slave owners were farmers. Most slave owners lost it all after the civil war. Those who did not were true businessmen. accomplished with business skills. They either passed these down to other generations through their genes or through teachings.
The rich are rich for a reason...and that mostly is NOT thievery and exploitation. This is a common held belief not to free people from poverty but to keep them there through excuse making. If you believe rich people exist because they took advantage of poor people and in effect cvause poverties then you are believing hurtful lies designed to keep you poor.
To me, liberalism and socialism has hurt the minority community much worse than racism.
Since 1900 this has happened. not during slavery. Again, I am not poor. Why do you assume that?
The Bible says plead for the poor. Why don't more people do that?
Nothing has hurt Black people more than racism. NOTHING.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/29/2008 8:01:58 AM
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Again, I am not poor.
I did not suggest you were.
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Since 1900 this has happened.
I don't think from 1900 to whenever AA was passed has any bearing on this thread. Did bad things happen? Yes and its in the past. Lets put it this way...what happened to "your" dad does not have to happen to "you". ( I quoted the your and you so it is clear I am speaking in the general sence not specifically you )
Could what have happened to your dad make it more difficult to achieve a goal? Yep, but I can tell ya, it happens to everyone. Only one percent of the population is extremely wealthy...that leaves 99% of the people in essentially the same boat.
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Nothing has hurt Black people more than racism. NOTHING.
Fifty years ago I would agree. Today? Liberalism hurts minorities much worse than any racist attitude and AA is the poster child for liberal intentions toward the minority.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/29/2008 2:07:21 PM
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Iroquois (I believe) Indians have tried to sue the state of New York several times to get land back, and/or get reparations from the state. We were all holding our breath. But even the liberal Peoples' Republic of New York didn't knuckle under.
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ttp://www.seeingblack.com/2005/x040105/land_theft.shtml
Torn from the Land," a three-part series published by the Associated Press in December 2001, documented how generations of African Americans in the South and in Southern-border states have been driven from their land by thievery, intimidation, violence and murder. Through more than 1000 interviews and an examination of tens of thousands of public records, the exhaustive project revealed how 406 Black land owners lost 24,000 acres of farm and timber land, and dozens of smaller properties, including beachfront land, city lots and stores. According to the report, these cases are "only the tip" of a larger pattern that has led to a 91-year decline in Black land-ownership in the U.S. "Today," the series concludes, "virtually all of this property, valued at tens of millions of dollars, is held by Whites or corporations."
now we can go there and say that land did not belong to Blacks. It's the Natives, ok.
Well, by your own logic, Native Americans should get all of the land back, and we should have nothing. Or, perhaps, we are to pay them all of our money to make it ok? Regardless, you cannot hold the people in today's society at fault for something someone else did 100 years ago.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/30/2008 10:28:00 AM
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What type of repreations are some blacks wanting to be given?
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/30/2008 3:27:55 PM
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What type of repreations are some blacks wanting to be given?
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Affirmative action has nothing to do with reparations. Nothing.
Nice try though.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/30/2008 3:36:38 PM
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What type of repreations are some blacks wanting to be given?
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Affirmative action has nothing to do with reparations. Nothing.
Nice try though.
-Julius
Agreed, it is off-topic.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/30/2008 4:17:56 PM
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One could truthfully say that AA is a reparation.
One would then be lying, because AA has benefited white women, Asians, Hispanics and as I have pointed out, whites where they were the minority.
Back to the subject. I like this analogy.
You're driving around a packed parking lot looking for a spot. You notice a row of handicapped slots. Ever been tempted to park in a handicapped spot? You feel like an idiot driving around in circles when there's a perfectly good spot-close to the door, sitting there empty. After all, you've had a hard day, maybe even a hard life. Don't you deserve a good parking spot as much as the next guy? If it weren't for that restriction, it would be yours.
When we see (or know about) a "reserved" spot, we assume that it would be ours without this artificial restriction. Of course, when you think about it, that whole concept is ridiculous. If the parking lot is packed, the likelihood of you getting a newly unreserved, front-of-the-lot spot is very low anyhow. You can't assume it's going to be yours.
Which is what some white people think about AA. That if all racial preferences and restrictions are eliminated, then white people would move right on in. After all, aren't white people the smartest most hard working people in the world? What they found out in California when it comes to college admissions as I pointed out earlier, Asians were the primary beneficiaries,and whites' enrollment has drastically decreased.
Likewise, many service organizations would rather hire Hispanics than whites because it's the belief that they work harder (yes, harder than "hard working white people") for less money. And instead of hiring "hard working white people" in some semi-skilled high tech jobs, these jobs are moving overseas or are being out-sourced to hard-working people in India.
So, while you guys were busy keeping and eye on counting and scrutinizing the twos and fews jobs black people were getting as a result of affirmative action, think about this: How many more jobs in the last 10 years do you honestly think hard working white people lost as a result of black folks taking jobs from whites using Affirmative Action, compared with outsourcing, jobs moving overseas, Asians, Hispanics, sluggish economy, etc.?
All that being said, I still believe that there are some people in this country who are so racist (I'm not talking about anyone on this board), that they don't care about jobs being outsourced, sent overseas, illegals taking jobs, pink or green aliens taking jobs, they'll accept all that - as long as they know one black person isn't benefiting in any way, shape or form, cause that just drives them crazy!
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/30/2008 5:02:59 PM
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Regardless of the scenario you create, reality here is not a reflection of your dream. AA does not benefit who you say it does.
Funny.
That's my argument exactly.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 5/30/2008 8:48:34 PM
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If AA was enforced where I work they would have to hire white people.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/1/2008 4:45:48 PM
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Regardless of the scenario you create, reality here is not a reflection of your dream. AA does not benefit who you say it does.
Funny.
That's my argument exactly.
Well shucks we all agree then; AA is demeaning and hurtful to those it claims to help and discriminatory against those it passes over.
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/1/2008 5:53:30 PM
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Regardless of the scenario you create, reality here is not a reflection of your dream. AA does not benefit who you say it does.
Funny.
That's my argument exactly.
Well shucks we all agree then; AA is demeaning and hurtful to those it claims to help and discriminatory against those it passes over.
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AA is whatever you want it to be, preacher. Isn't that why you started this thread? Not to learn, or debate, but to vent, hopefully fan some flames and eventually, hopefully get someone to take your bait and call you a racist. Still hasn't happened, has it. Disappointed? You could have left off the question mark and just titled the thread, "Afffirmative Action is a Racist Policy." I have some ideas for some more threads for you to start: "Do black people deserve reparations?", "Does Jesse Jackson speak for all black people?", "Did O.J. do it?", "Is black gangsta rap godly music?", "Should Ebonics become our national language?", "Is Barry Bonds on Steroids?", "Should Louis Farrakhan's bust be carved into Mount Rushmore?"
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 8:48:09 AM
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[I have some ideas for some more threads for you to start: "Do black people deserve reparations?",
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"Does Jesse Jackson speak for all black people?", quote:
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I hope not
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"Did O.J. do it?",
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Yes but the DA just couldn't prove it
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"Is black gangsta rap godly music?",
Depends on whether the lyrics honor God doesn't it?
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"Should Ebonics become our national language?",
No
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"Is Barry Bonds on Steroids?",
Yes along with Roger Clemens and untold others which makes baseball a disgrace
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"Should Louis Farrakhan's bust be carved into Mount Rushmore?"
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ROFL
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 8:50:47 AM
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[I have some ideas for some more threads for you to start: "Do black people deserve reparations?",
No
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"Does Jesse Jackson speak for all black people?",
I hope not
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"Did O.J. do it?",
Yes but the DA just couldn't prove it
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"Is black gangsta rap godly music?",
Depends on whether the lyrics honor God doesn't it?
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"Should Ebonics become our national language?",
No
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"Is Barry Bonds on Steroids?",
Yes along with Roger Clemens and untold others which makes baseball a disgrace
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"Should Louis Farrakhan's bust be carved into Mount Rushmore?"
- Julius
ROFL
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 9:35:00 AM
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Do black people deserve reparations?",
yes, especially since the Japanese and Jewish got it.
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Does Jesse Jackson speak for all black people?"
No he is only one man,how could he know the mind of 35 million in US
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Did O.J. do it?",
of course he did, but their own racism(Mark ?) messed up the case.
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Is black gangsta rap godly music?",
Does "Jesus Walks" by Kanye West count?
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"Should Ebonics become our national language?",
Ebonics is already a langauage in US. Alot of white kids speak it also.
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"Is Barry Bonds on Steroids?",
YES
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"Should Louis Farrakhan's bust be carved into Mount Rushmore?"
No, but MLK should be!
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RE: Is Affirmative Action a Racist Policy? - 6/2/2008 5:52:00 PM
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One could truthfully say that AA is a reparation. The sad thing is that most people who deserve reparations are long dead, so AA is simply racism itself.
I think it is just leveling the playing field because if people think that just passing a civil rights law erases over one hundred years of past injustice; they are sorely mistaken. And if people think that even today the playing field is totally level is to simplify the truth.
I'll admit it is better than it was even ten years ago but there is always room for improvement.
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