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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 11:24:59 AM
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Sophie11
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I have to ask the question when does being pro-life end and who does it apply to? When I think pro-life I think ALL human life.
You want me to answer?
It doesnt apply to any one that is not an American Christian and then only a select few of them.
If say a baby in Africa, your out!
You look like a Moslem , your out.
You might have commited a crime, we will never know because we can't see the evidence because you never are going into a courtroom, you are out of here with glee!
WE only want life for americans that live in the 'burbs and go to big mega-Churches and only listen to contempory music, and shop at Walmart.
The rest are insurgents and it's ok to kill them!
Most of the causes you mentioned such as helping the underprivileged in Africa, reaching out to Muslims, contributing to legal defense funds for the poor, cost the Christian money, time, and/or effort.
In short, supporting the unborn doesn't cost you a dime, doesn't impose upon a minute of your time, and the "righteous indignation" expressed by those who support this and apparently no other cause, gives them a feeling of moral superiority as they look down with disdain over the rest of us who are deemed unworthy to be called Christians because we have equal compassion for those in need outside the womb.
But those people cost money.
-Julius
Yes, they do cost money. Money that many Christians in this country, myself included, are giving to charities that are there to feed the poor and hungry children in Africa and other countries. It costs money indeed.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 12:20:48 PM
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How can a person who claims to love Christ believe they can support a person who supports the murder of unborn children at the same time... Serving two masters...
The only candidate who is serious about abortion is Chuck Baldwin. How can christians who love christ honestly ridicule and critique other christians for saying they support the only candidate who wants to abolish abortion? Yet they do.
There are other issues besides abortion. I'm absolutely disgusted with an administration that would higher a group of thugs like Blackwater who would murder innocent Iraqi's for no apparent reason and get off with it. I'm disgusted over an administration that would intentionally fabricate and spin a war. (link here I'm thoroughly sick and tired of a party that claimed for my entire life that they were conservative and were fiscally responsible yet for 6 years they set record after record after record for number of earmarks, number of pork barrel spending addons to legislation, number of dollars for pork in each budget, worst deficits and coincidentally the dollar is eroded about 50% of what it was when Dubya took office.
It's real easy to overlook abortion when dealing with a lifetime of lies and sleaze from the so called party of "christians and Matt Foley and Larry Craig" that ran the government for 6 of the last 7.5 years.
Wow.....thankyou for writing this!!!! I used to be a voter that only voted on the fact did that candidate believe in abortion or not......but, yes have seen other issues that could be labeled "Christian issues".....as well.......and the above, what you have written is part of that list.
Do I only show love and compassion for the unborn.....??? Or can i also show love and compassion for the living. If Christians rose up in arms over the dead in Iraq....i am talking about the dead Iraqi's......how many have died becuz of this Christian president??????? i wonder if the outcome would be any different?
Over the past years as a president, this man has taken over 900 vacation days........what does that say of the overall Republican attitude.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 2:40:50 PM
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The hatred for pro-lifers among some here is repulsive. It's vile.
They lie and say we stop caring about the unborn when their umbilical cord is cut. One would think we would get some credit for trying to prevent their throat from being cut. But no, it is the killers who escape their wrath and earn their admiration.
Pro-lifers run pregnancy couceling centers by the hundreds all accross America. They provide the mother and child food, clothing, medical care, counseling, housing, all kinds of needs, both before and after the child is born. These are run almost entirely on charity. All women and children are welcome. American or foreign, any religiion, any race, any ethnicity.
The association Democrats have with PCPs is that they attempt to run them out of business. They try to close their doors. Standard procedure among Democrats is to give money to people who will murder the unborn. Like PCPs, the abortuaries have a truely diverse 'customer' base. In fact, they're exceptionally good at luring black women in to kill their babies. In their wildest dreams, the KKK never imagined killing so many black children. Such is the ruthlessness of liberalism.
50 million dead since Death Roe and liberals haven't had enough.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 3:04:08 PM
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The hatred for pro-lifers among some here is repulsive. It's vile.
There is a difference between against abortion and PRO-LIfers!
If you are for the death penalty and against abortion. You are NOT a Pro-life person, just someone against abortion.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 3:09:07 PM
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Ouch!
Most of the causes you mentioned such as helping the underprivileged in Africa, reaching out to Muslims, contributing to legal defense funds for the poor, cost the Christian money, time, and/or effort.
Being a champion for the unborn costs nothing.
The unborn will never come to your door asking for a donation.
Churches never take up collections to feed the unborn.
There will never be a program for the unborn that will take a penny of your hard earned tax money.
Nobody ever had to go out and witness to the unborn.
All you have to do is vote for a republican every so often and "take a stand" in forums such as these, looking down on those of us who don't share your zeal for (apparently) the paramount cause in your life.
In short, supporting the unborn doesn't cost you a dime, doesn't impose upon a minute of your time, and the "righteous indignation" expressed by those who support this and apparently no other cause, gives them a feeling of moral superiority as they look down with disdain over the rest of us who are deemed unworthy to be called Christians because we have equal compassion for those in need outside the womb.
But those people cost money.
Brother Julius!
You made my day! 
I wish I had that gift. Put the cherrie on top!
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 3:32:48 PM
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Ouch!
Most of the causes you mentioned such as helping the underprivileged in Africa, reaching out to Muslims, contributing to legal defense funds for the poor, cost the Christian money, time, and/or effort.
Being a champion for the unborn costs nothing.
The unborn will never come to your door asking for a donation.
Churches never take up collections to feed the unborn.
There will never be a program for the unborn that will take a penny of your hard earned tax money.
Nobody ever had to go out and witness to the unborn.
All you have to do is vote for a republican every so often and "take a stand" in forums such as these, looking down on those of us who don't share your zeal for (apparently) the paramount cause in your life.
In short, supporting the unborn doesn't cost you a dime, doesn't impose upon a minute of your time, and the "righteous indignation" expressed by those who support this and apparently no other cause, gives them a feeling of moral superiority as they look down with disdain over the rest of us who are deemed unworthy to be called Christians because we have equal compassion for those in need outside the womb.
But those people cost money.
Brother Julius!
You made my day!
I wish I had that gift. Put the cherrie on top!
Equal compassion for those outside the womb? Oh, please. If liberals had the same compassion for those outside the womb that they do for those inside the womb, we wouldn't have enough caskets.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 3:33:16 PM
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The hatred for pro-lifers among some here is repulsive. It's vile.
There is a difference between against abortion and PRO-LIfers!
If you are for the death penalty and against abortion. You are NOT a Pro-life person, just someone against abortion.
Well...maybe we need a definition on what Pro-Life is. To me Pro-Life mean all human life.
Also, thanks for answering my question, good answer.
Since iJmac is the pro-life expert maybe he can explain. 
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 3:37:50 PM
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Ouch!
Most of the causes you mentioned such as helping the underprivileged in Africa, reaching out to Muslims, contributing to legal defense funds for the poor, cost the Christian money, time, and/or effort.
Being a champion for the unborn costs nothing.
The unborn will never come to your door asking for a donation.
Churches never take up collections to feed the unborn.
There will never be a program for the unborn that will take a penny of your hard earned tax money.
Nobody ever had to go out and witness to the unborn.
All you have to do is vote for a republican every so often and "take a stand" in forums such as these, looking down on those of us who don't share your zeal for (apparently) the paramount cause in your life.
In short, supporting the unborn doesn't cost you a dime, doesn't impose upon a minute of your time, and the "righteous indignation" expressed by those who support this and apparently no other cause, gives them a feeling of moral superiority as they look down with disdain over the rest of us who are deemed unworthy to be called Christians because we have equal compassion for those in need outside the womb.
But those people cost money.
Brother Julius!
You made my day!
I wish I had that gift. Put the cherrie on top!
Equal compassion for those outside the womb? Oh, please. If liberals had the same compassion for those outside the womb that they do for those inside the womb, we wouldn't have enough caskets.
In this little segment about pro-life and where it begin and end, we're not talking about Liberals we are talking about Christians who are pro-life in every aspect of life by also showing compassion for those outside the womb.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 5:35:16 PM
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The hatred for pro-lifers among some here is repulsive. It's vile.
There is a difference between against abortion and PRO-LIfers!
If you are for the death penalty and against abortion. You are NOT a Pro-life person, just someone against abortion.
Well...maybe we need a definition on what Pro-Life is. To me Pro-Life mean all human life.
Also, thanks for answering my question, good answer.
Since iJmac is the pro-life expert maybe he can explain.
Christian or non, anyone who supports liberal politicians are part of the abortion slaughter. They may not want to acknowledge it, but they are.
50 million dead and they haven't had enough.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 5:47:22 PM
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If we ever have a pro-life candidate, I will support him or her.
But all the anti-abortion people are pro-war, or pro-death penalty. Some are even pro-torture!
I am glad that conservatives (with a few notable exceptions) finally get it regarding the African pandemic, but they still have a long way to go before they can call themselves "pro-life." Ours is a culture of death and both parties are part of it.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 5:55:07 PM
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PhunkD I can't believe that you have to have this explained to you, but due to the sheer ignorance evidenced in your post....
There is a VAST difference between defending one's country through military means, or executing a CRIMINAL who has already murdered, as opposed to the dismemberment of an unborn baby who has committed no crime against ANYONE (with the possible exception of being conceived at the wrong time).
I would counter that it's equally odd that liberals mourn the deaths of criminals and enemies of the state, yet cheer on the murder of the unborn by thousands every day.
If you insist on playing that particular hand, I'm game....
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/24/2008 6:13:49 PM
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First I get so tired of that word being thrown around- LIberal, if we have compassion for anyone, we are liberal, we'll fine ,call me liberal or a supporter of them, because guess what, CONSERVATIVE ain't in the Bible!
Pro 11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.
Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
2Co 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
Pro-Life means ALL life to me.
Some of These people would kill Jesus again because He would be a criminal, or insurgent, or a terrorist, etc. under their rules.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 5:12:53 PM
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Tracydolls,
Please don't tell me you're trying to use Scripture to justify the ripping of a child from his or her mothers' womb and calling it good in the eyes of God...
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RE: Obama on abortion - 6/25/2008 5:50:28 PM
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I think the answer to most political choices lie in the Psalms-I do not vote personalities-I vote platform
Psalm 139-13 For you created my inmost being
you knit me together in my mother's womb
15 When I was woven together in the depths of the earth
Your eyes saw my unformed body
Now that is power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We are awsome works of His-without life what is there-I think anti-abortion is a choice for life on earth and eternal life.
I think all political candidates are a little strange to me( they would have to be to get involved in that kind of pressure)
That is my reason I will be not voting for Obama or our current Governor
As I work with at-risk kids and I love my job. I absolutley sway them against abortion every time I get a chance-I care for them and I do try and influence them in the abortion choices always. You cannot take the choice back and so many regret it when they get older. I feel for them. Young girls, and I mean 14 and up have more abortions than most people are aware of. God bless our youth today-they are awsome works of him.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 6:02:19 PM
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There is a VAST difference between defending one's country through military means, or executing a CRIMINAL who has already murdered, as opposed to the dismemberment of an unborn baby who has committed no crime against ANYONE (with the possible exception of being conceived at the wrong time).
There is also a VAST difference between defending one's country through military means and starting a pre-emptive WAR.
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I would counter that it's equally odd that liberals mourn the deaths of criminals and enemies of the state, yet cheer on the murder of the unborn by thousands every day.
Uhh, who's cheering this on? I don't think conservatives cheer on executions, and I've never met a liberal who cheers on abortions.
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Please don't tell me you're trying to use Scripture to justify the ripping of a child from his or her mothers' womb and calling it good in the eyes of God...
Please don't tell me that you're trying to use Scripture to justify the crushing of innocent children under homes, schools, and other places and calling it good in the eyes of God.
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RE: Obama on abortion - 6/25/2008 6:32:11 PM
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Back to the original point. Not only does Obama oppose banning the shocking practice of partial birth abortion, in the Illinois senate he opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act "which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion."
To Christians who support Obama, or are considering voting for him, do these facts trouble you? Please explain yes or no, thanks.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 9:17:59 PM
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The hatred for pro-lifers among some here is repulsive. It's vile.
There is a difference between against abortion and PRO-LIfers!
If you are for the death penalty and against abortion. You are NOT a Pro-life person, just someone against abortion.
How does one compare an unborn child to a convicted murderer?
John
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 10:57:59 PM
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If we ever have a pro-life candidate, I will support him or her.
But all the anti-abortion people are pro-war, or pro-death penalty. Some are even pro-torture!
I am glad that conservatives (with a few notable exceptions) finally get it regarding the African pandemic, but they still have a long way to go before they can call themselves "pro-life." Ours is a culture of death and both parties are part of it.
There are just wars, and God ordained the civil government to be His minister for those who do evil... So war and the death penalty are not inherently wrong... I can't find biblical support for a person to take life in the womb...
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 11:02:57 PM
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There is also a VAST difference between defending one's country through military means and starting a pre-emptive WAR.
Yes there is, but the point is war isn't inherently evil, unlike abortion...
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Uhh, who's cheering this on? I don't think conservatives cheer on executions, and I've never met a liberal who cheers on abortions.
I have seen/heard liberals CHEER when abortion rights are supported by law of court rulings... One in the same...
John
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 11:11:57 PM
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I have seen/heard liberals CHEER when abortion rights are supported by law of court rulings... One in the same...
John
Surely NRA members cheer pro-gun decisions; surely Conservatives cheer pro-death-penalty decisions. And don't forget the Americans who cheered the "shock and awe" campaign on Baghdad (where a lot of innocent people died.) Naturally, nobody knowingly cheered the deaths of innocent people, but surely, they had to have realized what it would have resulted in- just as you would argue that abortion rights rulings would result in abortions.
In any case, I think there's a distinction between cheering on when people are granted rights and when people choose to exercise those rights. When people are granted an individual right to carry weapons, a lot of people cheer. When people choose to use those weapons, fewer people are cheering.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 11:17:57 PM
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Surely NRA members cheer pro-gun decisions;
Nothing inherently evil there... Can't say that about abortion...
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surely Conservatives cheer pro-death-penalty decisions.
Nothing inherently evil there... Can't say that about abortion...
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In any case, I think there's a distinction between cheering on when people are granted rights and when people choose to exercise those rights.
When the so-called RIGHT is to murder an unborn child there is an issue... You can talk about distinctions, but I will simply hand you a five gallon bucket with the remains of the unborn child... Maybe you can take it with your distinctions and ask God if He's pleased....
John
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 11:20:46 PM
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will simply hand you a five gallon bucket with the remains of the unborn child... Maybe you can take it with your distinctions and ask God if He's pleased....
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Why do you have that? You are sick!
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 11:21:15 PM
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I have seen/heard liberals CHEER when abortion rights are supported by law of court rulings... One in the same...
John
Surely NRA members cheer pro-gun decisions; surely Conservatives cheer pro-death-penalty decisions. And don't forget the Americans who cheered the "shock and awe" campaign on Baghdad (where a lot of innocent people died.) Naturally, nobody knowingly cheered the deaths of innocent people, but surely, they had to have realized what it would have resulted in- just as you would argue that abortion rights rulings would result in abortions.
In any case, I think there's a distinction between cheering on when people are granted rights and when people choose to exercise those rights. When people are granted an individual right to carry weapons, a lot of people cheer. When people choose to use those weapons, fewer people are cheering.
The NRA does not give money to gun owners who shoot innocent children.
Unlike the liberal abortion industry, our military did not specifically target innocent babies.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 11:26:09 PM
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It's not either/or. Taking the life of the unborn is wrong, as is taking life in an unjust war (which we most certainly are in, according to every just war theory), as is taking innocent life using capital punishment (which has happened many times in our country).
We should push for completely pro-life candidates, rather than rallying behind pathetic compromises.
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RE: Why no solutions? - 6/25/2008 11:36:03 PM
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will simply hand you a five gallon bucket with the remains of the unborn child... Maybe you can take it with your distinctions and ask God if He's pleased....
John
Why do you have that? You are sick!
Why the outrage? It's just simply the remains of someone exercising their rights...
John
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