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Can Christians, even liberal Christians, support a candidate who is so extreme he opposed a bill preventing the killing of infants mistakenly left alive due to a botched abortion procedure?

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ORIGINAL: jfwink

In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion.

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In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion.

Not mistakenly left alive. The mother was given drugs to induce labor and the baby was born alive but premature. It was then left alone to die.

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ORIGINAL: jfwink

Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.

Abortion is an unavoidable moral issue. It also has broader political significance. Democrats of a past generation -- the generation of Hubert Humphrey and Martin Luther King Jr. -- spoke about building a beloved community that cared especially for the elderly, the weak, the disadvantaged and the young.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html


Can Christians, even liberal Christians, support a candidate who is so extreme he opposed a bill preventing the killing of infants mistakenly left alive due to a botched abortion procedure?

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ORIGINAL: jfwink

Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.

Abortion is an unavoidable moral issue. It also has broader political significance. Democrats of a past generation -- the generation of Hubert Humphrey and Martin Luther King Jr. -- spoke about building a beloved community that cared especially for the elderly, the weak, the disadvantaged and the young.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html


Can Christians, even liberal Christians, support a candidate who is so extreme he opposed a bill preventing the killing of infants mistakenly left alive due to a botched abortion procedure?

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Not mistakenly left alive. The mother was given drugs to induce labor and the baby was born alive but premature. It was then left alone to die.

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Not mistakenly left alive. The mother was given drugs to induce labor and the baby was born alive but premature. It was then left alone to die.

Are there no pro-life people working in hospitals or abortion clinics who can take these premature babies and raise them as their own? Why are pro-lifers not going after the 1 million plus women having abortions every year. Or for that matter going after the 1 million plus men who made them pregnant in the first place. Why are pro-lifers not lining up outside of hospitals and abortion clinics offering to adopt the child of a woman going in for an abortion or offering whatever support the woman needs (financial, emotional, parental training, etc) in order to keep her child?

Why are pro-lifers looking for a target to hate (liberals, democrats, etc.) rather than for solutions. Does anyone believe that voting for a republican will cause abortions to end? Will reversing Roe v. Wade stop the sexual immorality that is leading to all these abortions? Why no solutions?

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Not mistakenly left alive. The mother was given drugs to induce labor and the baby was born alive but premature. It was then left alone to die.

Are there no pro-life people working in hospitals or abortion clinics who can take these premature babies and raise them as their own? Why are pro-lifers not going after the 1 million plus women having abortions every year. Or for that matter going after the 1 million plus men who made them pregnant in the first place. Why are pro-lifers not lining up outside of hospitals and abortion clinics offering to adopt the child of a woman going in for an abortion or offering whatever support the woman needs (financial, emotional, parental training, etc) in order to keep her child?


Why are pro-lifers looking for a target to hate (liberals, democrats, etc.) rather than for solutions. Does anyone believe that voting for a republican will cause abortions to end? Will reversing Roe v. Wade stop the sexual immorality that is leading to all these abortions? Why no solutions?

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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?

I haven't decided whom I'm voting for and am not registered to any party...just curious...

Peace and God bless,

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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?

I haven't decided whom I'm voting for and am not registered to any party...just curious...

Peace and God bless,

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe

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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?

I haven't decided whom I'm voting for and am not registered to any party...just curious...

Peace and God bless,

How can a person who claims to love Christ believe they can support a person who supports the murder of unborn children at the same time... Serving two masters...

John

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How can a person who claims to love Christ believe they can support a person who supports the murder of unborn children at the same time... Serving two masters...

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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?

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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?

We already have a place reserved for us in hell. That is where we are going unless we die to self and pick up our cross and follow Christ in faith. That is why Christ came to earth and died for our sins. So that we can go to heaven and have a true intimate relationship with God.

Christ said we would know one another by our love. He also said that if you love him you will obey him.

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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?

We already have a place reserved for us in hell. That is where we are going unless we die to self and pick up our cross and follow Christ in faith. That is why Christ came to earth and died for our sins. So that we can go to heaven and have a true intimate relationship with God.

Christ said we would know one another by our love. He also said that if you love him you will obey him.

Hi P31W,

Well, again, does this mean that if you vote for Obama, do you believe then, that these people are going to hell? It's a simple question. I only ask because, reading the posts here on 'Obama Watch', one could conclude that is consensus here.

Thanks, Peace and God bless,

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ORIGINAL: DarleneSchreiber

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana

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ORIGINAL: P31W

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I guess this means if you vote for Obama, there's a place reserved for you in hell?

We already have a place reserved for us in hell. That is where we are going unless we die to self and pick up our cross and follow Christ in faith. That is why Christ came to earth and died for our sins. So that we can go to heaven and have a true intimate relationship with God.

Christ said we would know one another by our love. He also said that if you love him you will obey him.

Hi P31W,

Well, again, does this mean that if you vote for Obama, do you believe then, that these people are going to hell? It's a simple question. I only ask because, reading the posts here on 'Obama Watch', one could conclude that is consensus here.

Thanks, Peace and God bless,

The only people that are going to hell are those that reject the gift of the cross...period. If any of those who happen to vote for Obama (or Clinton, or McCain, or Barr, or Bozo) have rejected that gift, then, yes, they're going to hell. What's so hard to understand and who's making a different statement? Who is even alluding to something different?

I think the point many are attempting to hammer in is that many of the things that some of the candidates stand for are inconsistent with the Christian life. That's about as deep as it gets!

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Are we ranking the sins when it come to people we don’t like or agree with politically?

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ORIGINAL: rlj

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How can a person who claims to love Christ believe they can support a person who supports the murder of unborn children at the same time... Serving two masters...

The only candidate who is serious about abortion is Chuck Baldwin. How can christians who love christ honestly ridicule and critique other christians for saying they support the only candidate who wants to abolish abortion? Yet they do.

There are other issues besides abortion. I'm absolutely disgusted with an administration that would higher a group of thugs like Blackwater who would murder innocent Iraqi's for no apparent reason and get off with it. I'm disgusted over an administration that would intentionally fabricate and spin a war. (link here I'm thoroughly sick and tired of a party that claimed for my entire life that they were conservative and were fiscally responsible yet for 6 years they set record after record after record for number of earmarks, number of pork barrel spending addons to legislation, number of dollars for pork in each budget, worst deficits and coincidentally the dollar is eroded about 50% of what it was when Dubya took office.

It's real easy to overlook abortion when dealing with a lifetime of lies and sleaze from the so called party of "christians and Matt Foley and Larry Craig" that ran the government for 6 of the last 7.5 years.

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Not mistakenly left alive. The mother was given drugs to induce labor and the baby was born alive but premature. It was then left alone to die.

Are there no pro-life people working in hospitals or abortion clinics who can take these premature babies and raise them as their own? Why are pro-lifers not going after the 1 million plus women having abortions every year. Or for that matter going after the 1 million plus men who made them pregnant in the first place. Why are pro-lifers not lining up outside of hospitals and abortion clinics offering to adopt the child of a woman going in for an abortion or offering whatever support the woman needs (financial, emotional, parental training, etc) in order to keep her child?

Why are pro-lifers looking for a target to hate (liberals, democrats, etc.) rather than for solutions. Does anyone believe that voting for a republican will cause abortions to end? Will reversing Roe v. Wade stop the sexual immorality that is leading to all these abortions? Why no solutions?

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The only people that are going to hell are those that reject the gift of the cross...period. If any of those who happen to vote for Obama (or Clinton, or McCain, or Barr, or Bozo) have rejected that gift, then, yes, they're going to hell. What's so hard to understand and who's making a different statement? Who is even alluding to something different?

I think the point many are attempting to hammer in is that many of the things that some of the candidates stand for are inconsistent with the Christian life. That's about as deep as it gets!

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Since that’s the case and I am not saying I disagree with you, but what is the reason some of us are so loyal to some of these candidates? If we look at Senators McCain, Clinton and Obama all 3 have stood by policies that are and still inconsistent with Christian life. Let’s go deeper, why are some of us so loyal to our various political parties? The big 2 are both guilty of sinful behavior and un-Christian like policies. Are we ranking the sins when it come to people we don’t like or agree with politically?

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Are we ranking the sins when it come to people we don’t like or agree with politically?

Yes, we rank the sins.

Abortion is #1

Gays is #2


Robbing the country is #501

Watching children die of starvation is #100001

Being a liar is #1,0000000000000000000000

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The only people that are going to hell are those that reject the gift of the cross...period. If any of those who happen to vote for Obama (or Clinton, or McCain, or Barr, or Bozo) have rejected that gift, then, yes, they're going to hell. What's so hard to understand and who's making a different statement? Who is even alluding to something different?

I think the point many are attempting to hammer in is that many of the things that some of the candidates stand for are inconsistent with the Christian life. That's about as deep as it gets!

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Since that’s the case and I am not saying I disagree with you, but what is the reason some of us are so loyal to some of these candidates? If we look at Senators McCain, Clinton and Obama all 3 have stood by policies that are and still inconsistent with Christian life. Let’s go deeper, why are some of us so loyal to our various political parties? The big 2 are both guilty of sinful behavior and un-Christian like policies. Are we ranking the sins when it come to people we don’t like or agree with politically?

You got me. Personally, I'm looking for candidates that are Christians. It's slim pickins for sure. I voted for Huckabee myself. As for being loyal, I'm only loyal to Christ...I don't give that loyalty to a mere man. Human beings will disappoint every time! But I do feel we have a responsibility to vote so we have to do the best we can, with the Lord's leading. And, remember people...it's not us, but God that raises up leaders! We prayerfully vote, seeking His will for our choice, then the results are up to Him.

So it's really a moot conversation, isn't it? [;)]