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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/6/2008 7:53:31 PM
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But where can I find 'Dancing in the Spirit' in the Bible? I understand that dancing in the Bible has been done as the result of joy, but calling it 'Dancing in the Spirit' makes it sound like it's one of the gifts of the Spirit or a supernatural event [like Philip being whisked from one place to another]. I would just like to understand where folks are getting this from. Thanks.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/9/2008 12:25:10 PM
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/9/2008 3:17:33 PM
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Thanks for answering, SuspenseWriter. I appreciate it.
Just speaking in general terms [I'm not meaning you personally or anything, SuspenseWriter], I understand there all sorts of things that people experience, but I don't think experiences justifies describing something as a spiritual gift or a supernatural event when it's not to be found in scripture. That can be a very dangerous path.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/9/2008 3:43:30 PM
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But where can I find 'Dancing in the Spirit' in the Bible? I understand that dancing in the Bible has been done as the result of joy, but calling it 'Dancing in the Spirit' makes it sound like it's one of the gifts of the Spirit or a supernatural event [like Philip being whisked from one place to another]. I would just like to understand where folks are getting this from. Thanks.
Well how about Jesus;
(Luk 10:21) In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Here is the strong's definition of this particular "Rejoiced";
ag-al-lee-ah'-o
From ἄγαν agan (much) and G242; properly to jump for joy, that is, exult: - be (exceeding) glad, with exceeding joy, rejoice (greatly).
Now the passage says Jesus did this in spirit.
He also did this;
(Luk 10:23) And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
The strong's definition for turned used here is;
stref'-o
Strengthened from the base of G5157; to twist, that is, turn quite around or reverse (literally or figuratively): - convert, turn (again, back again, self, self about).
The "O" on stref (to turn) means continuing to turn about and back again.
So Christ was jumping up and down with joy, and turning about and back aruond with exceeding joy, and exhaulting God. While doing all this greatly.
Soounds like dancing in the Spirit to me.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/9/2008 3:53:28 PM
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Well, the simple fact is that Scripture does not give us a list of accepted dance moves, rated on the spiritual scale.
I'm also amazed at the notion that dancing to a rhythm and keeping the beat is somehow "bad". Isn't God the God of order? Doesn't Scripture tell us that everything should be done "in order" or "in an orderly manner"? Since the beat is what brings "order" to musical performance, shouldn't dance follow likewise and be executed in an orderly manner?
If we take time to evaluate evry single move we make in worship as to it's acceptable level of spirituality or maturity, then the spirit of worship goes right out the window.
God knows our hearts....if we're worshipping through clapping or dance or music or whatever and He sees that our hearts are pure and in the right place, then I would venture that He is pleased with the offering of worship....
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/9/2008 4:04:30 PM
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rcjames:
Taking Strong's definition and concluding that Jesus was physically jumping up and down or dancing for joy is totally fallacious.
The Bible says:
Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said...
Pretty simple, and I'm not going to start adding my own speculations of what Jesus did to show His joy. It says 'He said...'. It doesn't say 'He jumped around and danced'. I'm sorry but you are adding to the Bible here.
Just to be really clear, my comments are not about calling jumping and dancing bad or forbidden. My questions from post #51 were: Where in the Bible can I find 'Dancing in the Spirit' as a spiritual gift or a supernatural event. Thanks.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/9/2008 4:28:41 PM
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Exactly.. LW9.... exactly.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/10/2008 4:34:26 PM
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But where can I find 'Dancing in the Spirit' in the Bible? I understand that dancing in the Bible has been done as the result of joy, but calling it 'Dancing in the Spirit' makes it sound like it's one of the gifts of the Spirit or a supernatural event [like Philip being whisked from one place to another]. I would just like to understand where folks are getting this from. Thanks.
First of all,the saying "dancing in the Spirit",as far as I know is man made.Second,It is a supernatural event.This is what happens when the HS is pleased with what is going on in the service.When He is offended,then it becomes of our own flesh and what brings pleasure to us.Very few people who were born in the 60's understand this.And this is why they don't understand how the HS works.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/10/2008 5:42:03 PM
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rcjames: You ole' fuddy duddies .
Do you not think that Christ was capable of jumping uo and dwon with joy?
Ole' fuddy duddy... indeed! LOL!
Straight up, though, the issue isn't whether Christ was capable of jumping up and down with joy. The issue is simply what the Bible does and does not say. I'm not into speculating and adding to scripture to justify the labeling of something as a 'gift', a supernatural event, or a new 'move' of God, etc.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/10/2008 9:05:05 PM
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First of all,the saying "dancing in the Spirit",as far as I know is man made.Second,It is a supernatural event
How do you spell c-o-n-t-r-a-d-i-c-t-i-o-n?
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This is what happens when the HS is pleased with what is going on in the service.When He is offended,then it becomes of our own flesh and what brings pleasure to us.
Scripture, please. As a father myself, I am far more pleased when my kids want t odo something for me out of their love for me, as opposed to just becoming marionettes that I could strut around for my own purposes. Is God really so shallow that he couldn't just appreciate His children offering up praises to Him the best we know how?
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Very few people who were born in the 60's understand this.And this is why they don't understand how the HS works.
Ah, the good old "Yessireee, back in MY day, we had our collective stuff all together....these young'uns don't know nuthin from nuthin...."
My admiration for such unbridled spiritual arrogance knows no bounds....
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 10:44:38 AM
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or a new 'move' of God, etc.
Dancing before the Lord (or in the spirit) is not new, I have been seeing folks dance fefore the Lord for over 60 years, probably longer I just can't remember that far back.
There is abple Biblical evidence of dancing before the lord in praising and worshipping him for thousands of yearr; and I think David has already been mentioned.
Now do I consder it to be some "Special" gift or "Hypnotic" trance; of course not, it is just an excuberant expression of our love and excitment for God.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 1:54:29 PM
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First of all,the saying "dancing in the Spirit",as far as I know is man made.Second,It is a supernatural event
How do you spell c-o-n-t-r-a-d-i-c-t-i-o-n?
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This is what happens when the HS is pleased with what is going on in the service.When He is offended,then it becomes of our own flesh and what brings pleasure to us.
Scripture, please. As a father myself, I am far more pleased when my kids want t odo something for me out of their love for me, as opposed to just becoming marionettes that I could strut around for my own purposes. Is God really so shallow that he couldn't just appreciate His children offering up praises to Him the best we know how?
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Very few people who were born in the 60's understand this.And this is why they don't understand how the HS works.
Ah, the good old "Yessireee, back in MY day, we had our collective stuff all together....these young'uns don't know nuthin from nuthin...."
My admiration for such unbridled spiritual arrogance knows no bounds....
Tafkam,did you happen to read my first post?If not would you please do so?
Next,my comment was not contradictary at all.I said,as far as I know the term"dancing in the Lord/Spirit"is man made.I used the word saying,I should have used the word "term".However,the action of dancing is brought on by the mind,soul,Spirit being connected to the HS of God.The problem with us humans is,we have a human mind so unless we have experienced Him(the HS)we still will think of dancing as what pleases our self.And no,there is no way you could understand what church was like in the 40's & 50's anymore than I can understand what It was like in the30's and before that because I wasn't born than.However,I would NEVER poke fun at them because I see that as being very dangerous.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 1:57:35 PM
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Reminds me of when I told some friends they should do a background check on a guy who was being put into ministry and they told me they "know by the Spirit".
Sigh.....
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 2:24:09 PM
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And no,there is no way you could understand what church was like in the 40's & 50's anymore than I can understand what It was like in the30's and before that because I wasn't born than
Re-read your own post, yustme. It sounds like those of you born before teh 60's have some kind of market cornered on the moving of the holy spirit. And because a newer generation worships differently than you do, then it must not be of God.
I find it incredibly arrogant of any of us to think that God is somehow only pleased by the type of worship that WE are comfortable with.....
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 2:31:11 PM
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And no,there is no way you could understand what church was like in the 40's & 50's anymore than I can understand what It was like in the30's and before that because I wasn't born than
Re-read your own post, yustme. It sounds like those of you born before teh 60's have some kind of market cornered on the moving of the holy spirit. And because a newer generation worships differently than you do, then it must not be of God.
I find it incredibly arrogant of any of us to think that God is somehow only pleased by the type of worship that WE are comfortable with.....
All that you said is fine and dandy.. but there is a GRAND difference between believers preferring a certain type of music/worship style and saying that something is an actual genuine move of the Holy Spirit.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 2:42:35 PM
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Bottom line is that we ALL tend to worship in ways that we "prefer". We have our preferred worship music, our preferred style of service that we attend, and our preferred style of preaching.
Just because we happen to enjoy something doesn't automatically mean that God's spirit is not in it.
Nor do I believe that newer generations are incapable of recognizing the movement of the Holy Spirit, as has been insinuated in this thread.....
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 2:59:55 PM
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Again... two very different things:
1) One being different forms and styles of music, worship, etc..
2) Saying something is a REAL move of the Holy Spirit - a manifestation..
The crux of this thread falls on those that claim there is such a move of the Holy Spirit known as "dancing in the Spirit.." the crux is what do they base that claim on?
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 3:34:41 PM
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The crux of this thread falls on those that claim there is such a move of the Holy Spirit known as "dancing in the Spirit.." the crux is what do they base that claim on?
I don't think that really reflects the OP's question.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 3:38:47 PM
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The crux of this thread falls on those that claim there is such a move of the Holy Spirit known as "dancing in the Spirit.." the crux is what do they base that claim on?
I don't think that really reflects the OP's question.
Perhaps it does not, but it does reflect that of a lot of the posters in this thread.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 3:44:06 PM
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The term "dancing in the Lord" or "dancing in the spirit" does not mean the same thing to everyone. For many it just means that at that time dancing is a spiritual act. An expression of worship.
Some see dancing as sometimes being a prophetic act, in that their dance has symbolism, and either expresses a thought or message from God or a prayer or intercession to God. Something like speaking in sign language.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 3:46:53 PM
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Corne,
My comments are directly in relation to those that have, in this thread, stated and treated it as a genuine manifestation/move of the Holy Spirit.
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RE: dancing in the Lord - 6/11/2008 3:51:03 PM
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earthless: The crux of this thread falls on those that claim there is such a move of the Holy Spirit known as "dancing in the Spirit.." the crux is what do they base that claim on?
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Corne: I don't think that really reflects the OP's question.
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earthless: Perhaps it does not, but it does reflect that of a lot of the posters in this thread.
Which was exactly why I asked the questions that I did. Just curious as to where folks are getting this from Biblically. Considering that the OP question was: "Does anyone understand what is meant by "Dancing in the Lord", it seems like a natural continuation to me to discuss not ony how it's defined but where did that definition come from.
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