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narnia -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/6/2008 12:20:49 PM)

Has anyone else noticed that our thread gets a lot of hits?[:)]



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/6/2008 12:51:34 PM)

I had noticed, but had forgotten it. lol.

What do you expect after 40 years of marriage. lol.
June 3, 1968. What did we do? Babysit the grandkids.

Maybe we can sneak off sunday and see karate panda. lol.



p31woman -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/6/2008 3:42:04 PM)

DH recorded Exodus, as neither of us has seen it. How would you as Messianics rate the film?



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/6/2008 9:24:50 PM)

Great film! My shul showed it after havdalah, the first half two weeks ago and the last half last week.



LBolt -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/9/2008 9:55:12 AM)

quote:

Has anyone else noticed that our thread gets a lot of hits?


We are an interesting bunch don't you think? [:D]

Covaan's earlier post got me really thinking. I really believe that if we spend more time loving our brethern and less time baggering them with our plethera of scriptures and revelations more people may understand us a little better. There's a saying that goes something like "people don't care how much you know...they want to see how much you care."

I notice that Yahshua was not one who try to speak over people yet He was very much heard. I even notice this in my own personal walk with Him. It's been a wonderful relationship. Even though I wasn't keeping Sabbath, Feasts... He still loved me and allowed me to learn wonderful truths from the Word of God. I was telling a friend today that we can not be closed off or think we "got it". God speaks to all His children where they are. At His appointed time He'll take away the blinders.

Heck, I still have some blinders.

P31W, I have seen the Exodus yet, I heard it was pretty good.



drussell52 -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/10/2008 4:39:09 PM)

Hi all. Abiyah thank your husband for his example, i.e. changing tire on your car, took my honey out for breakfast
this morning, something we hadn't done together for a few months.
I have several things to say so will try to be brief so as not to bore you.. First, please pray for our son as he leaves Thursday to work 2 months at a summer camp as support staff. This is his First job, and first time away from home for this length of time. We will go see him in mid July for a weekend, about 3 hours away; his name is Adam age 17.
Second, I am praying for the Lord to help me find a messianic teacher who has the time to dialogue back and forth about some issues of doctrine and would welcome that kind of exchange. I am trying to avoid the extremists; for example received an e-mail from one such teacher advising believers to no longer use "hallelujah" as it is an errant representation of God and borders blasphemy.
Third, our church newsletter goes out this week, and my column this month poses a couple questions to get readers thinking about the Fall group on Hebrew roots. Praying for God to keep me on the up and up so I can lead with clean hands and heart, and also for those He may draw to the study.
Finally,:) and this is truly fun-- for fun the wife and kids gave me an XM portable for Fathers day which we celebrated this past Sunday.
I love many of the channels but reliving the 60s when I was a "teenager" considering the world ahead of me..
Today for example the DJ said Donald trup was 21-years-old on this date in 1966, Boy George was 5.. I know, you folk don't listen to that "worldly stuff" do you, teasing a bit..
See all of you again soon, and many thanks meantime for your prayer support and such!
Warmest regards, David



wshepherd -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/11/2008 10:58:55 AM)

What did everyone do for Shavuot? I was in Israel before the holiday, and just got home a day or so ahead of time, and with jetlag and all, I didn't do anything but rest.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/11/2008 11:58:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LBolt
I still have some blinders.

Don't we all. Wow.

And regarding your comments about the L-rd loving you when you did not keep the feasts, etc., this really astounds me. I was in a cult, for good night -- a cult for which I have no gratitude or love. Yet while I was a member, the L-rd still did some wonderful things in my life. Sitting here thinking about some of those, I am so grateful! He is gracious beyond measure and works with us, using what we have, to bring us to what we need. As we used to sing in a little chorus there, "What a mighty G-d we serve!"

quote:

ORIGINAL: drussell52
Abiyah thank your husband for his example, i.e. changing tire on your car
Here's the BAD thing about it: I forgot that we have coverage for such things. I could have called a tow and had it done, not bothering my poor husband. [&:] I forgot we had that coverage. [:@]

I hope you do find a trustworthy teacher, Drussell. Some of the ones among us are really "out there," just as there are some who are "really out there" in the churches. Wow, we are not immune! But we are such a far smaller group than the churches, the ones who are "off" seem more accessible.

But bluntly, I have been turned off some uses of hallelujah. Its use in commercials is unacceptable to me. Its use as an expletive is totally unacceptable. I would not hesitate to use it, however, as praise to G-d. I think he is off the wall to claim that it is "an errant representation of God and borders blasphemy." While it can be used that way, this does not taint the word; bad use taints the speaker.

quote:

ORIGINAL: wshepherd
What did everyone do for Shavuot?

Unnnnhhhhhh. What did I do? Well, I worked all day Sunday getting my camper ready to take to the shul, cleaning it inside from top to bottom, shampooing the carpet, scrubbing everything.

I had bought the camper a couple years or so ago, used. It's not new, it's not luxury; it is just a five-sleeper class C RV that we take camping a few times each year and that I take to the shul for various reasons.

So I had told one friend I was bringing it when she mentioned that she probably would not survive the night withont needing to lie down, then I bought all brand-new bedding for the read bedroom of the camper: mattress topper, mattress cover, sheet set, down-like blanket, down-like cover -- all in bright, shining white -- and two blue throw-pillows.

I had about five minutes more work to do when my husband mentioned that the auxilliary battery was not up to snuff. He tried charging it with his van but was not satisfied. He brought my car out and retried. Nothing. So he got in the camper to start it, and . . . nothing. The starter was dead.

What did I do for Shavuot? nOthInG. I was stuck at home. No feast at the shul, no all-night study, no nothing.

Everybody, all together: WEEP!

Well, I can joke about it now, but Sunday, it was pretty disappointing. [:@]



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/11/2008 11:59:04 AM)

My Rabbinic Calendar had it as last weekend.
We didn't do anything but fellowship with some
out of towners who came in.

Our "other" calendar has it as this weekend.
We will still probably just do our normal teachings.
We are in the book of Hebrews right now.
The first teacher will be expounding on Heb. 4:9
as they visited with a couple who are from Romania
and they are having a problem understanding it.
So we will be spending the first hour studying the
"sabbath yet to enter".

The couple is from the 7th day adventist background
in Romania. His father was really big into it, but has
seen the errors now and has moved into something else.
He talked to him on the phone last week and his father
told him how he was wrong to be into the messianic side
of things now. lol.
So, we'll be covering some necessary ground this Sabbath
for their benefit.

Shalom, Y'all



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/11/2008 12:07:26 PM)

quote:

What did everyone do for Shavuot?


Assuming you mean last Sunday, lol.
Started the day as usual with our two man study group
in the book of Psalms. Thank God we got to David's psalms,
the others lack something, lol. Moses' are pretty good though.

It was a day between rains here, so I mowed our huge yard,
mowed the m-i-l's yard, weed-eated around both houses and
out buildings, took a shower, took our daughter to see Kung-Fu Panda, came
back home and mowed the church acreage, trimmed around the
church, took another shower, lol.

Then I studied and prepared for the next meetings until 11 PM.
Then I fixed myself something to eat, Studied some more and hit
the bed about 1 AM. Got up again at 6 AM and started the next day
out with our study in Psalms.



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/11/2008 12:39:17 PM)

For Shavaot I followed my normal Shabbat schedule, sleep in as late as possible, lounge around and have a leasurely brunch, do last minute mixing of oneg offering, torah reading at 1:30(between 7th and 8th hour of the day) followed by oneg and discussion, then home again to lounge around until havdalah.

In the discussion we got into a heated discussion of which gulf(Suez or Aqaba) that Adonai parted. Heated discussions are not uncommon with us, but we realize that this is loving our neighbor as Ha Torah teaches us. We also discussed a letter to the editor that a "pastor" in our community wrote that implied that Adonai is blessing China because there are an increasing number of professing christians in that country. As if Adonai would bless an atheistic communist dictatorship simply because there happen to be an increasing number of professing christians there. Our concensis was that this is what happens when one focuses on the body count rather than Kosher community.



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/11/2008 12:41:06 PM)

For Shavaot I followed my normal Shabbat schedule, sleep in as late as possible, lounge around and have a leasurely brunch, do last minute mixing of oneg offering, torah reading at 1:30(between 7th and 8th hour of the day) followed by oneg and discussion, then home again to lounge around until havdalah.

In the discussion we got into a heated discussion of which gulf(Suez or Aqaba) that Adonai parted. Heated discussions are not uncommon with us, but we realize that this is loving our neighbor as Ha Torah teaches us. We also discussed a letter to the editor that a "pastor" in our city wrote that implied that Adonai is blessing China because there are an increasing number of professing christians in that country. As if Adonai would bless an atheistic communist dictatorship simply because there happen to be an increasing number of professing christians there. Our concensis was that this is what happens when one focuses on the body count rather than Kosher community.



narnia -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/11/2008 2:28:14 PM)

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Adonai is blessing China because there are an increasing number of professing Christians in that country.


[8|]

I keep reminding people of their one child policy, the crackdown on believers in the run up to the Olympics and other things so that when they start hearing "How great China is" they will remember what I've told them.


Shavuot went well, except for the heat. Special dance went well-only two of us did it but it fit well with the book of Ruth. We did it after the part where Ruth tells Naomi that "your people will be my people, your God my God and I will follow you wherever you go."

I got most of the music I ordered for special dances yesterday. Still waiting for my Yom Teruah music to come and I still have to pick a song or songs for Sukkot. The first one I picked is being used for a men's dance. The second ones are no longer being sold in a hard format-only in MP3 form. I do not have a player, so those songs are out. I am hoping that I will be able to find songs of the cds I ordered and use those-the third time will hopefully be the charm!



bjay0801 -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/12/2008 9:06:06 AM)

I gotta tell you all that I'm tired. I know everyone has experianced this on the "law less" [:)] thread, but I'm tired. I've been nice and patient but now I'm tired and I just need a break. So L bolt and Blue, you got it for now. I just need a break from the accusations and saying how we are living "under the law" and all that good stuff.
Our congregation had a very good time for Shavuot; can't wait to see what's going to happen next. Noone wanted to leave. We realy could have stayed all night just going over scripture. It was wonderfull. And the deserts we had were pretty good too. [:D]



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/12/2008 3:42:18 PM)

That's fine. Stand on the sidelinesnd watch for a while. We'll try to advance the ball. That is presuming we are headed in the right direction. We always have to be open to that possibility. I believe that's why people have a hard time accepting what appears to others to be so clear. They are more invested in their belief system that it is a bit threatening to entertain another view. That is what I think what Yeshua's discussion with the woman at the well was all about(John 3). We often focus on theological differences than in understanding what Adonai truly expects of us.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/13/2008 2:11:31 PM)

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They are more invested in their belief system that it is a bit threatening to entertain another view.


I think this may be the biggest obstacle of all.
It was easy for me, but, I want "truth."
If I can see it in the Word, I can "flush" everything else in a heartbeat.
Some things I may have to study out, but the obvious is easy for me.

When a person has their whole life "vested" in a doctrine, it's hard to let go.
What would JVI do if he were to admit his "theory" is all wrong? Fifty years
of tv and writing books down the tubes. lol.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/16/2008 1:25:19 PM)

Is any one out there got dry feet? LOL.

Oye, how much more rain can we take?

Hope everyone had a great weekend and will have a great week.



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/16/2008 3:42:19 PM)

We have had two weeks of clouds and rain off and on. But, here that's a b;essing. East of us and west of the Cascades thay have gotten flooding, but here in the wilderness it's manna from heaven. It did cause me some pool problems, misquitos and dust, but I've got that all cleaned out now. Of course, some people here complain no matter what. If it rains, they say it's bad whether. If it doesn't rain, they complain about not having enough moister in the soil. Sounds like when we left Eygpt.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/16/2008 3:55:38 PM)

We had drought, people prayed for rain.
We got rain, people pray for drought. lol.

When it's cold, we wish it was summer,
when it's hot, we wish it was winter.

Maybe we be wishing our lives away. lol.
I like all four seasons.

Just like coming out of Egypt, we "forget" what we had.

Correction: We forget what God did.
We always want what we don't have.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/17/2008 3:35:16 PM)

BABIES KEEP THE FEASTS

From the time a child is conceived to the time he is born parallels the Biblical Feasts
of YHWH that He revealed to Israel when they came out of Egypt.

The gestation period parallels the Feasts of YHWH.

Passover
Exodus 12 we find Passover instituted.
It begins the 14th day of the first month.

Gestation:
On the 14th day of the first month the mothers egg appears.

Unleavened Bread
Must occur the very next night, on the 15th of the month,
or the feast process will fail.

Gestation:
Fertilization of the egg must occur within 24 hours or the
fertilization process will fail.

First Fruits
The Feast of First Fruits occurs next, on the Sunday during the
week of Unleavened Bread. It can be from 2-6 days after the Feast of
Unleavened Bread and is called the Spring Planting of Seed.

Gestation:
The fertilized egg travels down the tube at its own pace taking anywhere
from 2-6 days before it implants. This is the Planting of the Egg.

Shavuot (Pentecost)
Pentecost comes 50 days later.

Gestation:
On the 50th day the embryo begins to form into a person. (Baby!)

Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement)
The Day of Atonement is celebrated on the tenth day of the seventh month.
Blood is taken into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle.

Gestation:
On the tenth day of the seventh month the production of red blood cells is
taken over by the bone marrow --- the inner sanctum of the babies tabernacle.

Tabernacles
The Feast of Tabernacles follow on the 15th day of the seventh month.
This is traditional celebration of God breathing the breath of life into Adam.
But, Tabernacles is so much more.

Gestation:
By the 15th day of the seventh month the child is capable of breathing air.
He or she is a developed "tabernacle" and can be born. However, to achieve
maximum strength the child should continue to grow inside its mother for
another 80 days. It can thereafter be born and dedicated to the Lord.

Dedication
The Feast of Dedication is 80 days later.



drussell52 -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/17/2008 6:47:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

BABIES KEEP THE FEASTS

From the time a child is conceived to the time he is born parallels the Biblical Feasts
of YHWH that He revealed to Israel when they came out of Egypt.

The gestation period parallels the Feasts of YHWH.

Passover
Exodus 12 we find Passover instituted.
It begins the 14th day of the first month.

Gestation:
On the 14th day of the first month the mothers egg appears.

Unleavened Bread
Must occur the very next night, on the 15th of the month,
or the feast process will fail.

Gestation:
Fertilization of the egg must occur within 24 hours or the
fertilization process will fail.

First Fruits
The Feast of First Fruits occurs next, on the Sunday during the
week of Unleavened Bread. It can be from 2-6 days after the Feast of
Unleavened Bread and is called the Spring Planting of Seed.

Gestation:
The fertilized egg travels down the tube at its own pace taking anywhere
from 2-6 days before it implants. This is the Planting of the Egg.

Shavuot (Pentecost)
Pentecost comes 50 days later.

Gestation:
On the 50th day the embryo begins to form into a person. (Baby!)

Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement)
The Day of Atonement is celebrated on the tenth day of the seventh month.
Blood is taken into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle.

Gestation:
On the tenth day of the seventh month the production of red blood cells is
taken over by the bone marrow --- the inner sanctum of the babies tabernacle.

Tabernacles
The Feast of Tabernacles follow on the 15th day of the seventh month.
This is traditional celebration of God breathing the breath of life into Adam.
But, Tabernacles is so much more.

Gestation:
By the 15th day of the seventh month the child is capable of breathing air.
He or she is a developed "tabernacle" and can be born. However, to achieve
maximum strength the child should continue to grow inside its mother for
another 80 days. It can thereafter be born and dedicated to the Lord.

Dedication
The Feast of Dedication is 80 days later.

Hi each of you! Enjoyed catching up on the chat since last week.
If anyone gets the chance or receives the weekly e-drash from First Fruits of Zion, ffoz.org, would you care to comment either here or to me in a PM?
I glanced at it Monday but plan to give it a thorough reading probably Wednesday, discussing that ministry's perspective on things Messianic, feasts, Shabbat, dietary and obedience in general.
It's based on the current Torah readings from Numbers I think chapters 13 to 15. Anyhow take a look at it when you can.
Other news, our son got off to camp for his job and as far as we know is doing okay. He hasn't called to come home, so perhaps no news is
good news, thanks for the prayers..
I noted Baby's Keep the Feast, gonna share this one with others,
thanks Lapidoth! Hey, 40 years of marriage, from your posts would have guessed 5 to 15..
Abiyah, yes you could have called a service to change the tire, but hubby probably feels glad to have realized his part in being a help mate! Besides he inspired "this husband" to treat his wife to breakfast and keep on being a good spouse, notta perfect one but a good one if I can blow my horn.. beep beep:)
OK it has been a long work day and need to get off here.
Catch you all in the near future, this has become my haven of rest of sorts.. You folks are a warm caring crowd and from where I read- prove the positive side of keeping the commandments! To any lurkers- see-- it aint all bad now is it..??..
Blessings to each,
David



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/17/2008 7:57:25 PM)

quote:

Abiyah, yes you could have called a service to change the tire, but hubby probably feels glad to have realized his part in being a help mate! Besides he inspired "this husband" to treat his wife to breakfast and keep on being a good spouse, notta perfect one but a good one if I can blow my horn.. beep beep:)

You're sweet, David. [:)]



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/18/2008 1:55:24 PM)

quote:

Hey, 40 years of marriage, from your posts would have guessed 5 to 15..


LOL.

I'll just give ya a couple stats.
I was born July 20, 1949
They say I refused to come out so they had to pull me out. lol.

I was married June 3, 1968
My mind is still in the first five years, but it's been 40 years for sure. lol.

Our first child was a girl, stillborn.
Our second child was a boy, I work for him. lol.
Our third child was a boy, was killed about 3 years ago.
our fourth child is a girl, we adopted her in her first few months.
She's 16 now.

I have two grandchildren by the second child. Girl and boy.

I was born and raised in NW Arkansas near the stateline. Siloam Springs.
the streets used to have biblical names. Mt. Olive is the only one that retains
it's original name.

We were called (lol) to the mission field ten years ago.
I told the Lord I would go anywhere but Africa. lol.
So, we wound up 20 miles west in Oklahoma. oye.
But, where is the mission field? It's right next door,
it's right there in our own living rooms.

I still like Arkansas, but can call myself an Okie now.
My stomping grounds haven't changed a bit.
From Fayetteville, Arkansas to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
From Fort Smith, Arkansas to Jopin, Missouri.

Only now I have to travel 25 miles more or 25 miles less,
depending on which direction I head to stomp. lol.

Oh yes, my wife was married on June 3, 1968 too and
she's been married for 40 years. LOL.



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/18/2008 3:58:29 PM)

ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

BABIES KEEP THE FEASTS

That is an interesting correlation. However, we best keep this among ourselves. There are way too many people who like to use correlation as proof of many strange doctrines. I would hate to have them use this as justification of their various correlations, real and imagined.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/18/2008 4:46:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bluethread

ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

BABIES KEEP THE FEASTS

That is an interesting correlation. However, we best keep this among ourselves. There are way too many people who like to use correlation as proof of many strange doctrines. I would hate to have them use this as justification of their various correlations, real and imagined.


ROFL. Isn't that the truth?

I first saw this in one of Zola Levitt's booklets.
It was on the feasts, but he had a portion where he
investigated nurses about the gestation period without
telling them what he was up to. I've lost my copy and
haven't found another. I know I could get it from his website.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just read part of Joshua.

8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua
read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the
little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

Did Joshua read the entire Torah? Or just say, Leviticus?
Is there any history or documentation to this effect?

Ezra read the books when they were found,
Did he read the entire Torah? Or, same things as above?
Is there any references to what exactly was read and what
was required when they were commanded to come every seven
years to HEAR the Word read to them?

thanks



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