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inthysite -> The Issues (6/5/2008 11:15:44 PM)

Okay, a lot of people are complaining that all they read here are threads bashing either candidate so I thought I would start a thread to discuss nothing but the issues.

While I believe that character and judgment are important there are plenty of threads discussing that so this is just to discuss what is important to you as a citizen/voter.

Now I'm not a moderator so I can't set rules or TOS or anything like that but here are a few guidelines I hope everyone can agree to adhere to:

1.No hurt feelings. We all have our opinions and right or wrong we are all entitled to them so please no name calling, no insults.

2.No discussions on Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Hagee, etc. This is strictly for issues not guilt by association.

3.No discussions on whether we should stay in Iraq or we should leave unless it is to talk about the candidates position. Again, we all have our opinion on what is the best scenario for Iraq and there are plenty of threads to discuss those in.

4.Try to keep matters to fact, if you can't back it up don't say it.

I know I'm asking a lot and I doubt this will go anywhere as someone else had tried to do a thread on issues alone but people seem to be here for the blood and gore but I thought I would give it a try. So let the games begin.[;)]



inthysite -> RE: The Issues (6/5/2008 11:18:54 PM)

Here are two issues that I've been hearing a lot about.

1.There seems to be progress being made in Iraq, the Iraqi troops are starting to help out more and become more efficient, their government is starting to make progress as well. We still have almost 6 months until the election and a lot can happen.

What happens election time if things in Iraq continue to improve?

2.The economy is starting to show signs of improvement, oil is going back down, the dollar is gaining strength. Some say we are recovering, others disagree.

What happens election time if the economy bounces back by then?



Lizahana -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 7:33:34 AM)

Excellent idea, inthysite!

1. I wish there were more pro-life Democrats. The only issue I disagree w/Obama is his pro-choice stance. However, I am hopeful and pray that there will continue to be more pro-life Democrats.

2. Global warming - I believe as our government believes, and governments across the globe believe, that humans cause at least half, if not more of the global warming, and we need to do something about it; or more people - those who leave the least carbon footprint in impoverished nations - will needlessly suffer.

3. I believe that we need to get out of Iraq and let them stand on their own.

4. I believe the healthcare needs to be fixed - ~46 million Americans are without health insurance and ~ 7,000 Americans go bankrupt each year, trying to pay their medical bills. I think along with free education til grade 12, there should be free healthcare. If a child cannot get adequate healthcare without his parents going bankrupt, what good is free education til grade 12? I don't think it should be a single payer system - I think it should be a mixture of private and governmental assistance so that all can have great healthcare.

Thanks again, inthysite!

Peace and God bless,



djv1255 -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 7:54:19 AM)

Global Warming is junk science. There is a natural long term weather cycle. We should not destroy our economy because of someone’s guess.

The national healthcare system of Britain is broke (not enough money) and is looking for excuses to totally exclude people. That doesn’t sound like universal healthcare to me.

Whether we should have gotten into Iraq doesn’t matter, we are there. We can not cut and run and abandon the Iraqi people. We are succeeding. The Iraqi people are succeeding.

We can’t allow whacko fringe groups influence our president. We don’t need a Dept. of Peace and Non-violence.

We must have US Supreme Court justices that make rulings based on the US Constitution not World Court rulings or have justices that rule by empathy.

We must have a national security policy that keeps terrorists out of the US. We must treat national security like 9-11 not 7-11.



DarleneSchreiber -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 8:09:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djv1255

Global Warming is junk science. There is a natural long term weather cycle. We should not destroy our economy because of someone’s guess.

The national healthcare system of Britain is broke (not enough money) and is looking for excuses to totally exclude people. That doesn’t sound like universal healthcare to me.

Whether we should have gotten into Iraq doesn’t matter, we are there. We can not cut and run and abandon the Iraqi people. We are succeeding. The Iraqi people are succeeding.

We can’t allow whacko fringe groups influence our president. We don’t need a Dept. of Peace and Non-violence.

We must have US Supreme Court justices that make rulings based on the US Constitution not World Court rulings or have justices that rule by empathy.

We must have a national security policy that keeps terrorists out of the US. We must treat national security like 9-11 not 7-11.


Here-here and amen, djv!!!

I think the only thing you left out is that we should secure ALL our borders and crack down on illegal immigration as well as the illegals already here.



inthysite -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 9:22:48 AM)

Global Warming
Well as far as global warming is concerned both candidates support policies to help reduce CO2 gases and both support a recent bill in congress now about cap and trade, so there really isn't much difference between the two on this issue.

Iraq
We all know both candidates stance on Iraq and since it is such a divisive subject I won't touch on that other to point to my original question above.

Healthcare
Healthcare is an interesting issue, both candidates support some form of national healthcare, McCain opting for a tax credit thus utilizing the free market while Obama supports more of a government run type of thing.

How does this affect the election since both have a plan for healthcare? Personally I lean more towards McCain on this because I've seen government run insurance in Medicaid. The main problem I have government run insurance is all the bureaucracy, red tape and hoops you have to go through. Once signed on the government is all up in your business and you have to report everything and anything to them and not just once but usually every quarter. Major Pain.

Judges
I've heard McCain vow to appoint conservative justices but if the Democrats have control of both the House and Senate he will have a tough time getting them approved. Will he then "cross the isle" and compromise and appoint more liberal judges? This is a major concern of mine.

Immigration
I have to admit that I don't know where Barack stands on this issue. I know McCain has finally admitted we need to secure the borders first but that may all be pandering to the right. We've already seen his attempt with McCain-Kennedy, which drew it ire of 75% of Americans. Did he really learn his lesson or is this just empty campaign promises?

What are their plans for the existing 11 or so million illegal aliens in our country?



djv1255 -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 9:24:59 AM)

Yea, illegal aliens.
We should follow Mexico's lead.
They don't worry about giving illegal aliens drivers lisences. They deport them. And I had heard that the third time an illegal alien is caught, they get 10 years in jail. [sm=thumbsup.gif]

And what do we do about the ones already here.
If any city, state or federal employee suspects a person is illegal, they should be required by law to report them not give them government benifits.



saved9201 -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 1:52:36 PM)

Global Warming - I trust the subject matter experts who have proven this is a concern over the radio talk show hosts who say it's a libral plot to take away our freedoms

Iraq - McCain calls leaving surrendering. Wait a minute. Who said, "Mission accomplished?" I thought we won? We're like a football team who just won a game and afterward, are still hanging around the stadium watching the people in the stands fight. And occasionally the winning football team gets hit in the crossfire. But we refuse to leave until we're absolutely sure that everybody in the stadium likes us and likes each other. And not only that, we refuse to leave until we're sure that once we leave, nobody shows up later that doesn't like us. And not only that, we refuse to leave until we're convinced not only everybody in this stadium, and not only people that show up later, but even those in nearby stadiums ALL like us. AND that they like the same people we like.

Hey, maybe we will be there for 100 years.

Healthcare - most "hard working" people have healthcare and they don't want the librals in Washington messing with it. They call it socialized medicince. Until they stop working and they're forced to fend for themselves.

Judges - no matter who you choose, they'll do whatever they want when they get in. And for those who think McCain cares about "saving the babies", keep dreaming.

Immigration = A few quotes from Obama: "It is important that everyone learns English and that we have that process of binding ourselves together as a country."
"We need stronger border security. We are cracking down on employers that are taking advantage of undocumented workers because they can't complain if they're not paid a minimum wage and not getting overtime."

Q. Does your health care plan cover the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants?

A: It does not. We've got limited resources.

Under an Obama administration, what rights do immigrants have if they're working without proper authorization come January 2009?

A: I think that if they are illegal, then they should not be able to work in this country

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Barack_Obama_Immigration.htm

Obama voted against the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill, for the Border Fence bill, but the rest of his votes appear to favor illegals already in country.

-Julius



djv1255 -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 2:19:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saved9201

Global Warming - I trust the subject matter experts who have proven this is a concern over the radio talk show hosts who say it's a libral plot to take away our freedoms

I trust subject matter experts also. There was an climate convention earlier this year in DC for 200+ scientists. They either thought global warming is based in flawed science or they believe in global warming but do not think it is man-made.



inthysite -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 2:39:10 PM)

quote:

Saved9201
Immigration = A few quotes from Obama: "It is important that everyone learns English and that we have that process of binding ourselves together as a country."
"We need stronger border security. We are cracking down on employers that are taking advantage of undocumented workers because they can't complain if they're not paid a minimum wage and not getting overtime."


I fully agree that english should be required. If I were to move to another country and did not speak their language I would be lost. If I were to demand my rights and that they start posting signs in English I would probably be thrown out of their country.

As to Barack's statement about cracking down on employers that hire illegal aliens I have two problems with that;
1-It's not being done, whenever someone tries to do it protest groups get all up in their face about it.

2-Why does he insist on calling them undocumented workers, call them what they are, they are here illegally from another country, thus the term illegal aliens. Calling them undocumented workers is trying to put a spin on the issue and make it sound like something better than it is; "Oh it's okay, they're just workers who don't have documents right now"

A good question you raised about healthcare and illegal aliens. What happens when the government is strapped by paying for everyones healthcare but the aliens continue to show up at the hospitals to have their babies born or injuries taken care of? Who foots the bill then? This is already bankrupting several cities.

Another question for for Barack is what will he do about sanctuary cities? McCain has already said that he will not support them.



PhunkD -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 2:46:39 PM)

I am pro-life. That means I am anti-abortion, anti-war, anti-torture (and I find it sad that I have to even say that), pro-good stewardship of the environment. It also means (to me) that the health care should be accessible to everybody that wants it.

As for immigration, I have to go to the Bible. It commands us to welcome the alien and the stranger, and does not qualify said statement. Neither of the major candidates does this, but that's where I am on the issue.

Weather global warming is real or not doesn't matter. We are still commanded to steward the creation.



kernsfamily -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 4:37:31 PM)

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Iraq - McCain calls leaving surrendering. Wait a minute. Who said, "Mission accomplished?"


for anyone that hasn't been paying attention....."mission accomplished" was in reference to the fall of Saddam's murderous reign on the country....and, the opportunity we gave millions living in Afghanistan and Iraq to live in freedom from people like Saddam and the Taliban.

global warming- should the U.S. believe the "experts" that say we must move our economy backwards to save the planet, guess who profits? Al Gore. He's raking in millions off of the "global warming" hysteria, and is bound to make millions more after he convinces governments to believe his propaganda, and put HIS policies in place (which, of course, benefit him)....not to say I don't like capitalism...I do....but, there's certainly a "conflict of interest" here that Al doesn't want anyone to know.

Iraq....Obama has GOT TO get those troops out of Iraq ASAP before our troops "screw up" and actually win this thing! (as they are in the process of doing right now)...

Healthcare- we've got the best health care in the WORLD. Period. Funny how Ted Kennedy needed surgery, and where did he go? Cuba? Mexico? Canada?...Nope....North Carolina.
Hillary has been a senator for EIGHT years, and she NEVER acted on healthcare UNTIL running for president. Neither did Obama. And, now ALL OF A SUDDEN it's this MASSIVE "crisis"....
I find it hilarious that hillary was going to REQUIRE every american to buy/have health insurance.....i thought she was all for "pro-choice".....that doesn't sound like a "choice" to me.

Honestly....iam not crazy about ANY of the candidates....i'am waiting to see if mccain can pick a decent running mate, and then go from there.

Immigration- Iam not really "for" illegal immigration, though i find it odd that many say that immigrants SHOULD come to the U.S. "legally" JUST LIKE our grandparents, and great-grandparents did. There was plenty of "illegal immigration" back then, as well....more than we will ever know, or would want to admit. Fully documented since the late 1880s, when the first immigration legislation had been passed. People merely had to "circumvent" certain ports, and just "get off the boat". No questions asked. Plus, even if you did come here "legallly", people didn't have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars in legal fees, and years of their lives going through "the process"....you just showed up, and were likely admitted. Period. Then End. (then if you weren't "allowed" for whatever reason, then you likely "circumvented" anyway)....or paid someone off....

The whole "learn OUR language" thing is puzzling as well. Sure, there are people coming in from around the world. Very few "immigrants" learned "OUR language"....it was the children and grandchildren that REALLY "integrated" with language and culture. Having some "requirement" that they learn "our" language immediately upon arrival in unprecedented. I remember growing up near "PoleTown", near Hamtramck in Detroit. An entire Polish speaking neighborhood with their own foreign-language newspapers, stores and everything. German communities in south central Texas were the same way....but, these days, not so much, as the actual "immigrants" aren't around anymore.

quote:

2.The economy is starting to show signs of improvement, oil is going back down, the dollar is gaining strength. Some say we are recovering, others disagree.
What happens election time if the economy bounces back by then?


then, the democrats lose. they are dependent on convincing the American people that they are miserable, and are "helpless" without a socialist government in place.



inthysite -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 5:02:53 PM)

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Immigration- Iam not really "for" illegal immigration, though i find it odd that many say that immigrants SHOULD come to the U.S. "legally" JUST LIKE our grandparents, and great-grandparents did. There was plenty of "illegal immigration" back then, as well....more than we will ever know, or would want to admit.

This is very true. The term WOP which is usually attributed to Italians and is now considered a slur against them means "With Out Papers". We had plenty of "undocumented visitors" back then.

quote:

Fully documented since the late 1880s, when the first immigration legislation had been passed. People merely had to "circumvent" certain ports, and just "get off the boat". No questions asked. Plus, even if you did come here "legallly", people didn't have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars in legal fees, and years of their lives going through "the process"....you just showed up, and were likely admitted. Period. Then End. (then if you weren't "allowed" for whatever reason, then you likely "circumvented" anyway)....or paid someone off....


Yes but back then people weren't trying to blow us up. Granted 99% of the immigrants today, whether legal or not are not coming to try and kill us but rather to make a better life.

There is no easy answer to this. People say to deport all the illegals but how to you really do that with 11-12 million people? On the other hand how is that fair to the millions of people who are doing it the legal way and are currently waiting to gain access?

People say we need to know who is in our country but will we really know any more than we do now even if we so secure our borders?

On the other side, people say that the immigrants are just doing the jobs that Americans don't want and won't do. I don't agree with this. I know a lot of people who are willing to do the work that illegals do. The problem is that the employers would then have to increase wages to comply with federal and state laws. I think that's were the real objection lies.

Can you tell I'm on the fence on this one.

quote:

The whole "learn OUR language" thing is puzzling as well. Sure, there are people coming in from around the world. Very few "immigrants" learned "OUR language"....it was the children and grandchildren that REALLY "integrated" with language and culture. Having some "requirement" that they learn "our" language immediately upon arrival in unprecedented. I remember growing up near "PoleTown", near Hamtramck in Detroit. An entire Polish speaking neighborhood with their own foreign-language newspapers, stores and everything. German communities in south central Texas were the same way....but, these days, not so much, as the actual "immigrants" aren't around anymore.


That's fine, I'm not saying the they have to start learning from day one. I just want the effort. I don't think we need a constitutional amendment stating that English is our national language. I don't think it should be "required" to have signs, classes, paperwork, etc in both Spanish and English. I believe an employer has the right to require his employees to speak English.

I worked in a local chicken processing plant for Pilgrim's Pride and most of the people around me were illegal. Hardly anyone spoke English including my supervisor. He spoke some but he had a very hard time understanding me and me him. This caused a very big problem in the work area and made for some dangerous close calls. How can I complain to my supervisor about incorrect procedures when he can't speak English?



kernsfamily -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 5:09:57 PM)

quote:

I worked in a local chicken processing plant for Pilgrim's Pride and most of the people around me were illegal.


So, any and all "whistle blowing" attempts went unheeded? How many times did you contact authorities regarding the illegal immigrants?



inthysite -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 6:25:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kernsfamily

quote:

I worked in a local chicken processing plant for Pilgrim's Pride and most of the people around me were illegal.


So, any and all "whistle blowing" attempts went unheeded? How many times did you contact authorities regarding the illegal immigrants?


Oh believe me, the authorities know they are there. The place has been raided twice that I know of. Problem is, they just keep coming back and getting hired on again, just using a different social.

They caught 3 guys working on the same SSN. They way they caught them was they got greedy and worked 3 shifts in a row which threw up a red flag.



PhunkD -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 6:27:51 PM)

Maybe they should arrest the owner of the plant instead of his employees.



Lizahana -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 8:40:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djv1255

Global Warming is junk science. There is a natural long term weather cycle. We should not destroy our economy because of someone’s guess.

The national healthcare system of Britain is broke (not enough money) and is looking for excuses to totally exclude people. That doesn’t sound like universal healthcare to me.

Whether we should have gotten into Iraq doesn’t matter, we are there. We can not cut and run and abandon the Iraqi people. We are succeeding. The Iraqi people are succeeding.

We can’t allow whacko fringe groups influence our president. We don’t need a Dept. of Peace and Non-violence.

We must have US Supreme Court justices that make rulings based on the US Constitution not World Court rulings or have justices that rule by empathy.

We must have a national security policy that keeps terrorists out of the US. We must treat national security like 9-11 not 7-11.


Well, they're the issues, and beliefs, most important to me when I vote.

Even though we disagree - peace be with you!

God bless,



Lizahana -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 8:42:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saved9201

Global Warming - I trust the subject matter experts who have proven this is a concern over the radio talk show hosts who say it's a libral plot to take away our freedoms

Iraq - McCain calls leaving surrendering. Wait a minute. Who said, "Mission accomplished?" I thought we won? We're like a football team who just won a game and afterward, are still hanging around the stadium watching the people in the stands fight. And occasionally the winning football team gets hit in the crossfire. But we refuse to leave until we're absolutely sure that everybody in the stadium likes us and likes each other. And not only that, we refuse to leave until we're sure that once we leave, nobody shows up later that doesn't like us. And not only that, we refuse to leave until we're convinced not only everybody in this stadium, and not only people that show up later, but even those in nearby stadiums ALL like us. AND that they like the same people we like.

Hey, maybe we will be there for 100 years.

Healthcare - most "hard working" people have healthcare and they don't want the librals in Washington messing with it. They call it socialized medicince. Until they stop working and they're forced to fend for themselves.

Judges - no matter who you choose, they'll do whatever they want when they get in. And for those who think McCain cares about "saving the babies", keep dreaming.

Immigration = A few quotes from Obama: "It is important that everyone learns English and that we have that process of binding ourselves together as a country."
"We need stronger border security. We are cracking down on employers that are taking advantage of undocumented workers because they can't complain if they're not paid a minimum wage and not getting overtime."

Q. Does your health care plan cover the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants?

A: It does not. We've got limited resources.

Under an Obama administration, what rights do immigrants have if they're working without proper authorization come January 2009?

A: I think that if they are illegal, then they should not be able to work in this country

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Barack_Obama_Immigration.htm

Obama voted against the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill, for the Border Fence bill, but the rest of his votes appear to favor illegals already in country.

-Julius


Well said as usual, Julius.

Peace and God bless,



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 8:59:17 PM)

Here are a few thoughts on some issues.

1. Healthcare - I am dead set against government-run healthcare. Universal healthcare is failing in every nation that has it. Yes, everyone is covered but it takes forever to be seen because you have to cut through a massive amount of red tape. I know several Canadians who come to the US and pay for their healthcare because they can be seen quicker here and the quality of care is better. Then there is the fact that anything run by the government is messed up anyway. Do we really want the government to run our healthcare system? I don't.

2. Iraq - If we withdraw now we will be betraying the troops and everything they have fought and died for. Period! Let the troops finish their job.

3. Immigration - Close the borders until we can fix our problems. Round up all illegals and deport them.

4. Government Waste - Eliminate all unnecessary and unconstitutional government programs and give those rights and responsibilities back to the states and the people, as promised in the Constitution.

5. The UN - Withdraw from it and kick them out of the US.

6. Global Warming - It is a myth. No need for any policy.

7. NATO - Withdraw from it. It is no longer needed.

8. Energy/Oil - Start drilling in ANWR and give the oil companies 10 years to come up with viable, cheap alternative fuel sources or face billions of dollars in fines.

9. Trade - Demand fair trade with other nations, such as China, or don't trade with them at all.

10. Supreme Court/Federal Judiciary - Strict interpretation of the Constitution. Impeach any judge or justice who does otherwise, including those who base decisions on court decisions from other nations or on European opinion polls.



djv1255 -> Oil (6/6/2008 9:12:03 PM)

China and others are getting oil off the Florida coast so they can sell it to us.
And Obama won't let us drill off of the Florida coast.[sm=comp1.gif]



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: The Issues (6/6/2008 11:38:28 PM)

I could not have written this any better then you did, right on[sm=thumbsup.gif]
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff_from_Kentucky

Here are a few thoughts on some issues.

1. Healthcare - I am dead set against government-run healthcare. Universal healthcare is failing in every nation that has it. Yes, everyone is covered but it takes forever to be seen because you have to cut through a massive amount of red tape. I know several Canadians who come to the US and pay for their healthcare because they can be seen quicker here and the quality of care is better. Then there is the fact that anything run by the government is messed up anyway. Do we really want the government to run our healthcare system? I don't.

2. Iraq - If we withdraw now we will be betraying the troops and everything they have fought and died for. Period! Let the troops finish their job.

3. Immigration - Close the borders until we can fix our problems. Round up all illegals and deport them.

4. Government Waste - Eliminate all unnecessary and unconstitutional government programs and give those rights and responsibilities back to the states and the people, as promised in the Constitution.

5. The UN - Withdraw from it and kick them out of the US.

6. Global Warming - It is a myth. No need for any policy.

7. NATO - Withdraw from it. It is no longer needed.

8. Energy/Oil - Start drilling in ANWR and give the oil companies 10 years to come up with viable, cheap alternative fuel sources or face billions of dollars in fines.

9. Trade - Demand fair trade with other nations, such as China, or don't trade with them at all.

10. Supreme Court/Federal Judiciary - Strict interpretation of the Constitution. Impeach any judge or justice who does otherwise, including those who base decisions on court decisions from other nations or on European opinion polls.



saved9201 -> RE: The Issues (6/7/2008 12:08:10 AM)

Just an observation, but you can tell that most conservatives who post here get their "news", whether they admit it or not, from Fox and/or the Conservative talk show hosts like Limbaugh and Hannity. I listen to some of these clowns myself, for entertainment mostly, and some of these statements are almost direct quotes from these guys. You've got to realize these guys are entertainers first and foremost. And there's a difference between entertainment, opinion, and facts. With those guys, you never get just plain facts. They have to juice it up, add a little drama to it. Of course their whole spin is that they have the facts and the "liberal media", whoever that is, is lying and giving you misinformation or not telling you the whole story. For example , its funny how night after night, Sean Hannity brings up Rev. Wright, and complains that the mainstream media didn't put as much emphasis on the story as he did. How dare the libral media! With earthquakes and cyclones and other things going on, they should have done like Hannity and led in with Rev. Wright EVERY night. Huh? My point? We live in the 21st century and we have countless outlets for real facts without people relying on some loudmouth knucklehead to tell you how you should think about something and give you ridiculous reasons to back these opinions up. And instead of realizing it's just jokes, some people actually go out and repeat these ridiculous rantings and think they're making plenty sense. Not talking about anyone in particular here, but if the shoe fits...............

- Julius



darren.beene -> RE: The Issues (6/7/2008 1:21:14 AM)

I aint afraid to admit it but I look own grate men and women a God like Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, MIchelle Malkin, and Ann Colter sort a like the Prophets a are Age. Onley the Bible itsef is a higher word than some a them grate spokesmen for truth an decency we is blesst to have now days.



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: The Issues (6/7/2008 6:54:29 AM)

Saved9201, I for one do not listen to talk radio and I very rarely watch Fox News because they are too liberal. Except for the global warming and Iraq issues, the opinions I have stated are what I have believed for more than 25 years. As far as Iraq is concerned, I am retired military, which is why I have the stance I do on that issue. For global warming, well, the ones screaming gloom and doom about that are the same wackos that were screaming gloom and doom about global cooling in the 1970s.



Evangel70 -> RE: The Issues (6/7/2008 9:56:46 AM)

quote:

1.There seems to be progress being made in Iraq, the Iraqi troops are starting to help out more and become more efficient, their government is starting to make progress as well. We still have almost 6 months until the election and a lot can happen.

What happens election time if things in Iraq continue to improve?


If Iraq improves by November everybody wins. There's no need to keep troops in Iraq if they are becoming a thriving democracy, and the Iraqis are settling their centuries old tribal disputes. So all the candidates should agree that "the surge is working" AND "it's time to bring the troops home" and let Iraq enjoy their Kum-bah-yah moment.

quote:

2.The economy is starting to show signs of improvement, oil is going back down, the dollar is gaining strength. Some say we are recovering, others disagree.

What happens election time if the economy bounces back by then?


According to the latest news report gas just went up to something like $150 a barrel due, in part, to the decreasing value of the dollar; one of the airlines is planning to cut 22,0000 jobs; the unemployment rate just went up .5% and gas is expected to be over $5 a gallon by the 4th of July. So if gas returns to $1.98 a gallon, unemployment is back at a 4% average and no one is worried about cashing out their retirement to pay their mortgage and groceries, I'd probably look toward the clouds for the return of Jesus. [8D]

quote:

4. I believe the healthcare needs to be fixed - ~46 million Americans are without health insurance and ~ 7,000 Americans go bankrupt each year, trying to pay their medical bills. I think along with free education til grade 12, there should be free healthcare. If a child cannot get adequate healthcare without his parents going bankrupt, what good is free education til grade 12? I don't think it should be a single payer system - I think it should be a mixture of private and governmental assistance so that all can have great healthcare.


Very well said. Unfortunately many people are equating making healthcare available to all with socialized medicine. Anthem BCBS, Cigna, United Healthcare and other providers are NOT going away. Your employer is NOT going to stop providing healthcare. Universal healthcare simply means that insurance companies must provide affordable healthcare for ALL. How much is it costing us now to provide hospital care for those who have no insurance and let a case of the flu become pnemonia. How many parents are comfortable sending their kids to public school knowing that some of their children's playmates (or their families) may be going around with communicable diseases simply because they can't afford preventative care?



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