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spreadtheword08 -> Question (6/6/2008 10:42:21 PM)

Are ther certain animals we should not eat...In Acts something paul has a dream of cloth and all the animals and jesus telling him he can eat these animals but i just dont know if there are animals you cant eat?



Miril -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 12:02:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: spreadtheword08

Are ther certain animals we should not eat...In Acts something paul has a dream of cloth and all the animals and jesus telling him he can eat these animals but i just dont know if there are animals you cant eat?


I am curious about this one too. I read that pork and shell fish was bad, and have received different explanations from different people.



ChristopherJ -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 12:21:38 AM)

There were many dietary prohibitions in the Old Testament, and yes - pork and shellfish were included in them. Many Christians wrestle with what to do with those (and certain other) commandments in the Old Testament. However, this comes from a simple lack of understanding of the three different categories of the law in the Old Testament.

The MORAL LAW - was the list of universal rules of what is right and wrong (for example, do not lie, do not steal, etc) and are still binding for the believer today. It is important for us to note however that we are NOT SAVED by keeping the law, rather, the moral law of God is a guideline for living a life that pleases God. (Jesus did say he didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it).

The CEREMONIAL LAW - these were the guidelines given to the religious community of Israel all of the sacrificies of animals and ceremonies that were imperfect types and shadows that pointed towards and were fulfilled in Jesus the Lamb of God. Many of these were identifying markers to set the nation of Israel apart as holy to the Lord, separate from the pegan nations around them. Since Christ's sacrificial death on the Cross, we do not keep the ceremonial law.

The CIVIL LAW - these were the laws that were given to the political governing body of Israel to dictate how to punish people who violated the moral law of God. Because we are not living in the nation of Israel, we are not subject to this civil law, rather we are to be obedient to the laws of the land.

I personally believe that the dietary laws were a part of the ceremonial law, and are therefore not binding on the believer. However - its interesting to note that God's laws often have a higher purpose - they are for our own good. And back in the OT time period, animals like pigs and shellfish were garbage feeders, and therefore, people who would eat these animals would get many different kinds of diseases. So, it was a good rule of health to avoid certain kinds of animals back then. Now of course, the pork or shellfish you purchase is bred and fed for the sake of human consumption.

Hope that answers your question!



deermousie -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 12:26:13 AM)

In Acts 15, there was a big debate over keeping the Law (which included what animals were OK to eat), and here is how God settled it:

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.


Farewell.

There's no mention of what animals you can't eat. So eat whatever you want, and thank God for it! [:)]



MrFribbles -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 1:10:14 AM)

I'll just add a "ditto" to everything deermousie and ChristopherJ said, and throw in that Jesus said, in Mark 7:19, that all foods are clean.

*edited to correct Scripture reference...Used to say 17:9, which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist*



Miril -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 1:51:39 AM)

Thanks for the info, and after careful consideration....

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There's no mention of what animals you can't eat.


So if there was no mention, his original words stand then.

Leviticus 11:3

3-8 "You may eat any animal that has a split hoof, divided in two, and that chews the cud, but not an animal that only chews the cud or only has a split hoof. For instance, the camel chews the cud but doesn't have a split hoof, so it's unclean. The rock badger chews the cud but doesn't have a split hoof and so it's unclean. The rabbit chews the cud but doesn't have a split hoof so is unclean. The pig has a split hoof, divided in two, but doesn't chew the cud and so is unclean. You may not eat their meat nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.

Leviticus 11:9

9-12 "Among the creatures that live in the water of the seas and streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But anything that doesn't have fins and scales, whether in seas or streams, whether small creatures in the shallows or huge creatures in the deeps, you are to detest. Yes, detest them. Don't eat their meat; detest their carcasses. Anything living in the water that doesn't have fins and scales is detestable to you.

And then again...

Deuteronomy 14:4-6

3-8 Don't eat anything abominable. These are the animals you may eat: ox, sheep, goat, deer, gazelle, roebuck, wild goat, ibex, antelope, mountain sheep—any animal that has a cloven hoof and chews the cud. But you may not eat camels, rabbits, and rock badgers because they chew the cud but they don't have a cloven hoof—that makes them ritually unclean. And pigs: Don't eat pigs—they have a cloven hoof but don't chew the cud, which makes them ritually unclean. Don't even touch a pig's carcass.

Deuteronomy 14:9

9-10 This is what you may eat from the water: anything that has fins and scales. But if it doesn't have fins or scales, you may not eat it. It's ritually unclean.

I am the by-the-book (God's book that is) type, very loyal and don't do things half way, I also take people at their word, as I take God at is His Word.

Not sure about you guys, but I most definitely don't want any curses upon me. So His word is final to me. Unless this subject was brought up again later in scripture, those initial words stand.

Just to be clear, I am not speaking of being saved, I am speaking of taking care of your body according to God.

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Because we are not living in the nation of Israel, we are not subject to this civil law, rather we are to be obedient to the laws of the land.


So we are to follow His word selectively then? This is in no offense to you, just my common sense jumping out.

To me, if it is in the book it is law. It is written for a reason, to me this follows under faith. Faith in following that there is a reason why certain animals we are not to eat.

Hmmm, could there be curses attached to those of us who are getting sick without knowing why, but yet we eat what he has instructed us not to eat?

There could be a correlation there.

Deuteronomy 28:15 (NKJV)

Curses on Disobedience

15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

See Deuteronomy 28:15-68
For your convenience, you can see them all here...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2028:15-68&version=31



Miril -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 1:58:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

I'll just add a "ditto" to everything deermousie and ChristopherJ said, and throw in that Jesus said, in Mark 7:19, that all foods are clean.

*edited to correct Scripture reference...Used to say 17:9, which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist*


But that was about cleanliness not the actual food.

Mark 7
Defilement Comes from Within
1 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2 Now when[a] they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:


‘ This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men[c]—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’;[d] and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’[e] 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
14 When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear Me, everyone, and understand: 15 There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.



BibleL7 -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 2:37:56 AM)

Miril I am not sure you got the point of the post that there were only four things the gentile believers were suggested to abstain from things sacrificed to idol, things strangled, things with blood still in them and sexual immorality. The vision that Peter (not Paul) had in Acts which is in the OP was telling Peter to not call unclean what the Lord has cleansed thus permitting Peter to eat of foods which under the old covenant had been forbidden. Though it is not such a problem now days the following the dietary laws by Jews did keep them from being affected by certain diseases which non Jews suffered from particularly in middle ages.



Miril -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 12:03:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BibleL7

Miril I am not sure you got the point of the post that there were only four things the gentile believers were suggested to abstain from things sacrificed to idol, things strangled, things with blood still in them and sexual immorality. The vision that Peter (not Paul) had in Acts which is in the OP was telling Peter to not call unclean what the Lord has cleansed thus permitting Peter to eat of foods which under the old covenant had been forbidden. Though it is not such a problem now days the following the dietary laws by Jews did keep them from being affected by certain diseases which non Jews suffered from particularly in middle ages.


No I get what you all are saying, but my heart for some reason is not believing.



delete123 -> RE: Question (6/7/2008 8:31:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: spreadtheword08

Are ther certain animals we should not eat...In Acts something paul has a dream of cloth and all the animals and jesus telling him he can eat these animals but i just dont know if there are animals you cant eat?



If you are referring to Acts chapter 11 where the Lord gave Peter a vision and used a cloth of unclean food, then it has really nothing to do with food aat all.
Reread it, he was referring to calling a man common or unclean.

As far as eating meat and other foods you can eat anything you want.
The jews have a law of what they can eat, as a law was written for them.

Paul states in Romans 14:2-3 for one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
v3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who eats; for God has received him.

CRH



DaveW -> RE: Question (6/8/2008 10:25:19 AM)

Miril, if you are a gentile believer then Acts 15 is absolutely applicable. If you are Jewish by birth or conversion then it does not. Please see Acts 21 for further evidence of that.

The only meat forbidden to gentile believers is that which is strangled, meaning that which still has the blood in it.

As the Leviticus passages, the Torah was the written covenant between God and Israel, and many of the provisions including dietary laws were a covenantal sign of Israel's state of being God's chosen. So unless you relate to God by the Mosaic Covenant, they are not binding.



Tomb -> RE: Question (6/10/2008 3:14:31 AM)

Reading (Acts 10:13) helps us to understand that the Lord was actually talking about food.

...Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.


The dream had a duel meaning.

1.The Gentiles were now allowed to enter the church of Christ (just as the Jews in Acts 2:36-47).

2. Also certain foods (once forbidden unber LOM) were now to be received with thanksgiving (1Tim. 4:4,5). Because of the changing from the O.T Law to the N.T. Law of faith (Rom.3:27) (James 1:25) (Heb.9:15-17 ; 10:9,10).

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1Tim.4:4,5)




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maran-atha -> RE: Question (6/10/2008 5:30:00 AM)

You need to be careful when interpreting parables and visions literally. Try to understand what is intended by the illustration. Peter's vision taught him to accept Gentiles into fellowship - considered by many as 'unclean'. The vision was not teaching him about what foods to eat!

There are tribes in South America that eat giant tarantulas - not for me, I'm afraid! Yuck! Strange, but I have never liked eating ham or pork - not even when I was a child - makes me feel like vomiting. This has nothing to do with faith. My parents love eating it. Nevertheless, I happen to think that certain foods God intended for human consumption - and others (called unclean in the Bible) He did not. The kingdom of God is more than meats and drink, but why not keep to what He called 'clean' ?

If you doubt, leave it out. Don't give in to your cravings. But also, don't judge others who don't share your views on what to eat - just be respectful, and try not to give offence.

Blessings!



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