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bentzsur -> paul (6/8/2008 9:24:45 AM)

must a christian follow the path that paul laid out in his epistles.



SpongeBlog -> RE: paul (6/8/2008 9:31:14 AM)

To be saved, or to live a righteous life that pleases God now that one is saved?



rcjames -> RE: paul (6/8/2008 9:32:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bentzsur

must a christian follow the path that paul laid out in his epistles.


All Scripture is inspired by God, so it is as though God said it all, and Jesus (God) said;

(Luk 6:46) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

So yes a Christian must follow all the New Testament.

Thanks
RC



bentzsur -> RE: paul (6/8/2008 9:33:45 AM)

i'm sorry my friend but you did not answer my question, though your answer is nice it does not however answer my question.



bob97 -> RE: paul (6/8/2008 9:44:44 AM)

bentzsur...

In general yes but I think your question is somewhat ambiguous. Can you be I little more direct for those of us who are slow?

Bob



GraceBro -> RE: paul (6/8/2008 6:34:37 PM)

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must a christian follow the path that paul laid out in his epistles.


There is no "path" that I see Paul telling us to live by. Unless, by "path" you mean to live by faith in Jesus Christ. It is the indwelling Holy Spirit that lives the Christian life for us. We can't live it.

"For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 1:17

"We live by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:17

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

"Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." Galatians 3:11

"To this end I labor, struggling with all his energy, which so powerfully works in me." Colossians 1:29

Hope that answers your question.

Grace and Peace



drmark -> RE: paul (6/8/2008 10:57:59 PM)

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So yes a Christian must follow all the New Testament.
On the other hand, how many of us ask the butcher if his meat came from strangled animals (Acts 15:29)?



JimboFletch -> RE: paul (6/9/2008 8:09:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bentzsur

i'm sorry my friend but you did not answer my question, though your answer is nice it does not however answer my question.

Sure it did, just not the way you wanted. Paul's teachings do not contradict Jesus. They, in fact, came from Him. To follow Jesus, one would be in accord with the epistles of Paul - unless that person had misinterpreted either one.

So, if you have a problem with the epistles of Paul, you have a poor understanding of either Paul or Jesus.



SpongeBlog -> RE: paul (6/9/2008 9:04:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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So yes a Christian must follow all the New Testament.
On the other hand, how many of us ask the butcher if his meat came from strangled animals (Acts 15:29)?

Here in Tennessee you ask him, 'how long ago did this get hit?'



Doc65 -> RE: paul (6/9/2008 9:29:24 AM)

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Here in Tennessee you ask him, 'how long ago did this get hit?'


[:'(]



Ps103 -> RE: paul (6/9/2008 12:48:43 PM)

Yea, verily, Sponge speaketh truth.[:D]



rileykins -> RE: paul (6/10/2008 11:54:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bentzsur

must a christian follow the path that paul laid out in his epistles.


Hi bentzsur
Perhaps these verses will help you by way of an answer to that question...

For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church. 1Cor.4:15-17

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 1Cor.11:1

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. Philip.3:17

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 1Tim.1:15,16

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 1Cor.3:10

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. Acts 20:24

rileykins



Tomb -> RE: paul (6/11/2008 7:46:58 AM)

.... the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. (1Cor.14:37).

Paul said the things he wrote were the commandments of the lord.


That same gospel message was taught in every congregation (1Cor. 4:17).


17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.


Somewhere along the way various churches left part of that message behind or added to it (1Cor.1:10).

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.




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tomb



earthless -> RE: paul (6/11/2008 5:55:58 PM)

All of the 66 books of the Bible are God's absolute Word for all of mankind. Your question seems a bit odd in that it reeks of those that are anti-Apostle Paul.

Can you please clarify a little more for us?



Bluethread -> RE: paul (6/11/2008 6:08:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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So yes a Christian must follow all the New Testament.
On the other hand, how many of us ask the butcher if his meat came from strangled animals (Acts 15:29)?


I didn't think you were one to follow the letter of the law. Oh, that's right this is the "new testiment".



Bluethread -> RE: paul (6/11/2008 6:13:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: bentzsur

i'm sorry my friend but you did not answer my question, though your answer is nice it does not however answer my question.

Sure it did, just not the way you wanted. Paul's teachings do not contradict Jesus. They, in fact, came from Him. To follow Jesus, one would be in accord with the epistles of Paul - unless that person had misinterpreted either one.

So, if you have a problem with the epistles of Paul, you have a poor understanding of either Paul or Jesus.


Interesting method of validating the Scriptures. Do you think this would work for the entire Scriptures?



notmycity -> RE: paul (6/11/2008 7:18:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tomb

.... the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. (1Cor.14:37).

Paul said the things he wrote were the commandments of the lord.


That’s right, and Peter wrote of the Pauline epistles in 2 Peter 3 as being Scriptures. Peter also wrote of those who twisted Paul’s epistles.



BillBaileyBFAFan -> RE: paul (6/11/2008 9:39:10 PM)

Yes, in today's dispensation of grace, Paul's gospel is the gospel we are to follow. We are to, as Paul teaches rightly divide the word of truth.
We are in the mystery time that Paul taught. An unprophecied age whre there middle wall of partition between Jew and Gentile has been broken down.
Go to www.graceimpact.org for more info on Pauline dispensationalism.



Bluethread -> RE: paul (6/12/2008 4:28:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BillBaileyKQFan

Yes, in today's dispensation of grace, Paul's gospel is the gospel we are to follow. We are to, as Paul teaches rightly divide the word of truth.
We are in the mystery time that Paul taught. An unprophecied age whre there middle wall of partition between Jew and Gentile has been broken down.
Go to www.graceimpact.org for more info on Pauline dispensationalism.


Dispensationalism is a system of interpretation that has been derived from Paul's teaching.

The system of interpretation that states a student clearfies his teacher, which is what I inferred JimboFletch saying, is different but not necessarily contradictory.

quote:

Sure it did, just not the way you wanted. Paul's teachings do not contradict Jesus. They, in fact, came from Him. To follow Jesus, one would be in accord with the epistles of Paul - unless that person had misinterpreted either one.

So, if you have a problem with the epistles of Paul, you have a poor understanding of either Paul or Jesus.


I was just postulating, what if we applied the later to the whole bible?
Would we not then say, since Paul did not contradict Yeshua(Jesus) and Yeshua did not contradict Ha Torah(The Word), in fact He is Ha Torah in the flesh, then any misunderstanding of Paul would also be a misunderstanding of Ha Torah?



galadriel2 -> RE: paul (6/12/2008 4:34:05 PM)

We can thank God for Paul because none of us would be saved if it wasn't for him. He was the first missionary to the Gentiles.

As far as dispensations: the Israeli theocracy in the OT has been replaced by the 'one body' - the church ' of Ephesians as the vehicle God is now using to reach the world for Messiah. Man has always been saved by grace through faith in the Messiah. The Lord preached the Gospel to Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 3. The OT theocracy was only a temporary arrangement until the right time came along for Messiah to show up on the world scene and die for the sins of mankind.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2



galadriel2 -> RE: paul (6/12/2008 4:36:51 PM)

Also, Paul and Christ don't disagree. Jesus says in John that to do the works of God you must believe on the one that God has sent - Jesus. Paul says the same thing.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2



Bluethread -> RE: paul (6/12/2008 4:55:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

We can thank God for Paul because none of us would be saved if it wasn't for him. He was the first missionary to the Gentiles.

As far as dispensations: the Israeli theocracy in the OT has been replaced by the 'one body' - the church ' of Ephesians as the vehicle God is now using to reach the world for Messiah. Man has always been saved by grace through faith in the Messiah. The Lord preached the Gospel to Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 3. The OT theocracy was only a temporary arrangement until the right time came along for Messiah to show up on the world scene and die for the sins of mankind.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2


I am confused. First you say Paul was the first missionary to the Gentiles. Then, you say, The Lord preached the Gospel to Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 3. Also, we know that a mixed multitude came out of Egypt. How did Caleb, (the Kennezite) become the representative of Yehudah(Judah) and one of only two people to receive a personal inheritance from Adonai in the promised land. Weren't there witnesses to Ha Meshiach througout the ages?

Also, Yeshua and Ha Torah can't disagree because they are one and the same according to Yochanan(John).



drmark -> RE: paul (6/12/2008 5:36:05 PM)

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We can thank God for Paul because none of us would be saved if it wasn't for him. He was the first missionary to the Gentiles.
As much as I appreciate Paul's life of servitude to the Gospel, it's foolish to think that God could not have saved the Gentiles without him!



JimboFletch -> RE: paul (6/12/2008 5:41:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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We can thank God for Paul because none of us would be saved if it wasn't for him. He was the first missionary to the Gentiles.
As much as I appreciate Paul's life of servitude to the Gospel, it's foolish to think that God could not have saved the Gentiles without him!

That's special... one could say that it's foolish to commend Moses for leading the Jews out of Egypt because if he had failed to do so, God could have used someone else. Well he didn't and God didn't.
[8|]



drmark -> RE: paul (6/12/2008 5:43:38 PM)

And so the Hebrews would still be enslaved in Egypt except for Moses?



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