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TorchHeart -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (6/24/2008 10:10:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

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And when I say no one, I mean in the system.
We are doing our jobs and well meaning, caring people are too. The system is NOT doing theirs.

I was told that they do everything in their power to keep families together unless there is obvious horrific physical abuse or drugs being used in the house. They will offer help and services to the family first. Ok, I get that. BUT, what about when the family doesn't do what they were told to do? Doesn't follow the recommendations? that is supposed to be it. Well, they haven't and the kids are still in that home.

It is a nightmare. All the poor suffering kids out there.



And what about kids who HAVE another home, with another parent, but who are not even considered because "kids belong with their mother".[:'(]


OK. I've seen a case like this one, and I can totally agree with the frustration here.



shadowspring -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (6/24/2008 10:14:04 AM)

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The oldest son "W" has tonsils swollen to the size of golf balls. The mom told me he was supposed to have them removed before hurricane Katrina, that was almost three years ago. He hasn't been to the doctor since then. They can't use the excuse that they have no money because he has medicaid.

I had to take my daughter to the doctor last week and I took W with us, he wants him to see and ENT. So, his office made the appointment and I am supposed to take him today.


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When I took him to the dr last week they gave him an rx that she said we had to keep at my house so Hans would not see it. So, needless to say she hasn't made sure he got the medicine.


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Well she knew I was supposed to take him today at 1:00. She left with him. This makes me sick. The kids tonsils are the size of golf balls and I am not kidding. He can't sleep because of it.


All these quotes are from the OP. What I am wondering is, has the OP alerted the doctor that the boy's mother is not giving him the prescribed medication, has missed the appointment with the specialist, and that the boy is still in such discomfort he can't sleep?


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Believe me, it isn't. I work at a hospital. I can tell you that there are MANY instances where CPS has stepped in when abusive and/or dangerous situations have occurred and put the children in a much more safe environment.


Torchheart, If a medical professional had reason to believe a patient of his was not receiving the care prescribed, would he then be obligated by law to report?

Even if CPS fails again and does nothing, there will be a paper trail created which may help when later reports of abuse come into the system. And they will, if the situation is as bad as the OP describes. They certainly will.

* if it is normal for this child to have larger-than-average tonsils, it wouldn't keep him awake at night as he would have had them his whole life. Also, why would the doctor prescribe medication and refer to a specialist if there were no diagnosis of illness?



allisonbrett -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (6/24/2008 12:38:16 PM)

<----- former CPS investigator

From my experience working behind the lines so to say the job is overwhelming at best. The addage, "over worked and under paid" is accurate! Most of those I worked with did their best but not everything worked as it should have as as we would have liked. Some incredibly irresponsible parents retained custody of their children while parents that were really trying may have lost temp custody over something that got blown out of porportion. These workers aren't in it for the money but the desire to help families and children but the caseload and restrictions make that kind of work very difficult at best. When I finally left I had 58 open investigations representing 128 children. I was at the point of neglecting my workload or my own dd. My dd won. I only had 30 days in which to complete investigations and open it to on-going or close so I scrambled non-stop trying to interview, contact and evaluate each person associated with each case. Its not uncommon for those involved to hide, get others to lie about their whereabouts and drag their feet on complying. I would spend countless hours and miles on my car trying to locate people that didn't want be found. It took my valuable time and then trying to always be prepared for court which was often several times per week. For me, I know that in hindsight that there were cases that weren't handled as well as they should have been but we all did the best we could with the resources we had. Some investigations went too far and others didn't go far enough. One minute you are at the sheriff's dept interviewing a molestation victim or accusor then heading out with the drug unit on a call with drug dealing parents. I must admit that it never got boring. Thankfully, the majority of calls were very minor and service put in place but then there were those that consumed both mind and spirit to the point of where you just hurt to think of the children involved.

All in all, CPS workers are doing a difficult job and do what they can in the time they are allowed. If you feel that a child is at risk then give them a chance. They may have more info than you realize. "repeat customers" are not uncommon.

edited to add: Oh, BTW many of the other investigators I worked with were Christians, not those just carrying a title or church membership but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Not all, mind you but many more than you'd think.



sen10tious -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (6/25/2008 7:18:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart

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ORIGINAL: sen10tious

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So a majority of the problems people have with CPS are regarding the fact that they don't respond well to calls from the average citizen, so you have to get a hospital or someone in a law enforcement position to bring the case before them before action is taken. Is that a correct statement?


No. The majority of problems I have with CPS is due to massive system-wide failure. Ultimately, it is due to Satan’s hatred of the family, God’s basic social unit.

There are spiritual being in the heavens that affect the operation of things on earth. I don’t want this to get moved to the Theology thread so I’ll be as brief as I can; just offer a couple references to form a base: Daniel 4:26—Nebuchadnezzar had to learn that spiritual beings influenced his government. Eph 6:12—Our struggle is against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Two different powers are at war in the heavenly realm. One is the power of God who created the family. The other is Satan, a deceptive , calculating plunderer who hates God and is out to destroy families. To this end, Satan will influence, deceive, and control every CPS official who permits it. One of Satan’s most effective lures is to deceive people into feeling as if they are doing something good and noble when they are actually in flagrant disobedience to God.

There are a handful of Christian CPS workers. They are not in the majority. There are a few who try to serve God; but everyday, all day, they are surrounded by co-workers who are being deceived by Satan. Some of that aberrant belief rubs off. As a whole, CPS does not view the family from a biblical perspective but from a grossly humanistic one that is heavily weighted towards feminist error and jezebel-like control. Satan has infiltrated CPS. And THAT is why they are never the best first choice.



[sm=rollingeyes.gif] And you have proof of Satan infiltrating the ranks of CPS, that there are only a few Christians (or is it just what you personally call "Christians") involved in the entire CPS system in the entire world, and that they do not view families from a biblical perspective and thus have "feminist" error I suppose?

I mean, not just guessing. I am talking about actual, solid proof.


That reply is just being snarky. I could ask anyone for solid proof of their salvation; I mean, not just guessing— I am talking about actual, solid proof; and they would fail if they had to apply the solid and the concrete to actions in the spiritual world.



buckifn -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (6/25/2008 9:57:26 AM)

For the person who asked about a medical person having to report cases of neglect and suspected abuse, the answer is yes, most states have a law for "mandated reporters".. and all states have some version of a law for reporting based on the
CHILD ABUSE AND TREATMENT ACT (CAPTA) last amended in 1996.

It is highly doubtful a prof. person such as a Doctor would risk his entire career by neglecting to report suspected abuse.

Below is a link which allows you to check the reporting law in all 50 states and some other good information including a way to call and report suspected abuse/neglect via a hotline.


http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/mandatory_reporting.htm



MyMasquerade -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 8:47:26 AM)

UPDATE!!!!

Well we had gone to Florida for a week and they were supposed to bring him to the doctor while we were gone. Didn't happen of course because they didn't even know the doctors name.

The mom has been coming over asking me to help her find a pain management doctor that will take Medicaid and then she will need me to bring her to the doctor. But she won't bring her child to the doctor.

School starts in five weeks and I am going to report her to the school. I don't know what else to do.



Ellie-Mae -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 8:50:39 AM)

You can probably talk to the school now (you might have to play phone tag for a bit to get hold of someone who can help). Don't wait until school starts.



MyMasquerade -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 9:18:57 AM)

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You can probably talk to the school now (you might have to play phone tag for a bit to get hold of someone who can help). Don't wait until school starts.


I am going to email the principal about a middle school childs myspace. There are three girls in dresses made out of condom packages taped together. I wanted her to see that since these are still very young girls, plus they have a section on their myspace "girls at WM'S" I hate.

I can add my concern to the email.

I am so not ready for middle school.



manda59 -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 9:58:35 AM)

It's absolutely the right thing to tell the principal about your concerns for this boy. She and her staff can keep a close eye on this boy, with the benefit of the information you're giving her (and I'd suggest you tell her about the whole homelife situation, not just the tonsils issue) is in just the right position to take proper action.

How old are middle school children over there? (I'm in the UK)



zoebob -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 10:05:28 AM)

Middle school is usually 6-8th grade which would be 11-13 or 14



manda59 -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 10:58:26 AM)

Ok thanks, here in the UK high school starts at 11, no middle school.



MyMasquerade -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 10:59:11 AM)

My daughter is actually a year younger than all of her classmates she started full day elementary right before her 4th birthday. So she is 10 going into the 6th grade.



manda59 -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 11:00:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MyMasquerade
I am going to email the principal about a middle school childs myspace. There are three girls in dresses made out of condom packages taped together. I wanted her to see that since these are still very young girls, plus they have a section on their myspace "girls at WM'S" I hate.




How old is the girl? The minimum age for MySpace is 14, so if you know she is younger than that, I suggest you report her to MySpace, as it's in breach of their terms of agreement.



MyMasquerade -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/4/2008 11:18:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: manda59



How old is the girl? The minimum age for MySpace is 14, so if you know she is younger than that, I suggest you report her to MySpace, as it's in breach of their terms of agreement.


I have no clue how old she is. I am guessing from the picture she is 13-15, plus she has people at the middle school I hate so again guessing she is in middle school. I wish I knew her though I would love to tell her parents.



buckifn -> RE: Calling Child Protective Services (7/5/2008 8:35:24 AM)

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don't know what else to do.



Did you check the link? It has a number to call that will begin the process of getting help for the child/children in question. Look for your state on the link below.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/reslist/rl_dsp.cfm?rs_id=5&rate_chno=11-11172



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