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Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/12/2008 1:56:10 PM
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mapachito13
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Corn rises for seventh day as rain continues in Midwest
A natural catostrophe to add to our man-made one by diverting corn crops for fuel.
Study: Ethanol Not Worth The Energy
Maybe we need to stop diverting food for fuel before we get too reliant on this precious resource.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/12/2008 2:21:29 PM
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But don't you think starvation is a fair trade-off to help prevent global warming and give us a sustainable form of energy?
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/12/2008 3:00:18 PM
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uncabeeil
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Heck, if we all starve, no more demand for energy. Crisis solved!
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/12/2008 3:16:28 PM
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fiat_lux
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But don't you think starvation is a fair trade-off to help prevent global warming and give us a sustainable form of energy?
Hey, now. I may not be able to eat, but at least I'll be able to buy gas!
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/12/2008 3:25:26 PM
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U.S. Energy Policy Conceived by John Boy and Billy:
"Hey, y'all. Let's make cars run on corn liquor so we don't have to be held up by those Arabs."
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/12/2008 3:44:09 PM
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mapachito13
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But don't you think starvation is a fair trade-off to help prevent global warming and give us a sustainable form of energy?
Seems like a "fair "trade-off to me! It'll cut down on the 6 billion parasites (oops, people) raping the earth! I'll sacrifice myself for the rest of you!
Gee, don't all cheer at once!! 
BTW, this biofuel seems like an energy pyramid scheme with more energy needed to support the production of energy. I guess that make the its backers biofuel of it!
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/12/2008 3:47:39 PM
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mapachito13
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U.S. Energy Policy Conceived by John Boy and Billy:
"Hey, y'all. Let's make cars run on corn liquor so we don't have to be held up by those Arabs."
Well, shooooooot! Let's go party at the Shell station and get pumped up drunk!!  Call it a high carb die-it!
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/14/2008 6:30:51 PM
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I don't see what's wrong with this. My grandpa loves the high corn prices.
The US is the world's largest grain producer. We are the Saudi Arabia of grain. Therefore, why are we opposed to high grain prices? All it does is help middle-class family farms.
If you don't like it, buy your own farm.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/14/2008 7:54:21 PM
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If you don't like it, buy your own farm.
I suppose it's probably a shame for the people who can't afford to buy either corn or a farm.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/14/2008 8:03:21 PM
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If you don't like it, buy your own farm.
I suppose it's probably a shame for the people who can't afford to buy either corn or a farm.
But hey, for those who already have one at least now they can afford the fuel to run thier tractors in order to produce the corn, kind of like they did a few years ago ya know?
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/15/2008 3:03:08 PM
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So little of the nation's grain crops are being diverted for ethanol that to blame the grain shortage on ethanol production is pretty idiotic. Corn isn't the only source for ethanol production, there's also switchgrass, sorghum(sugar cane stalks can be used after the juice is pulped out of them), beets, and even kudzu.
A large portion of our corn and grain stores are being diverted to China as payment on our mutli-billion $ trade deficit with them.
In the past 2 decades we have lost more than half of arable(farm) land to development- housing, industrial, and retail developments. Once farm land is developed it is never farm land again. In short, we are diminishing the capability to grow our own food.
Water once used for agriculture in drier climates has been bought and diverted to municiple usage by large cities like Los Angeles. This water is gone for good. LA is famous for trying to steal or unlawfully grab water rights from ranchers and farmers as well as from other cities, like Sacramento and San Francisco. Without irrigation, or when natural waterflow into an otherwise arable area is disrupted or completely diverted, then the farmers and ranchers in those areas are no longer able to produce crops or raise livestock and the land becomes dessicated.
We need alternatives to oil for our energy needs, even if only as a supplement to oil usage. We also need to be able to feed ourselves,which IS a matter of national security, so we need to keep as much farm land in agricultural production as possible and enable farmers and ranchers to make a decent profit. Anyone who thinks its cheaper to get it from Mexico is living in a dream world.
If you're one of those people who live in a big house on a huge lot, go to Lowes or Home Depot or your local farmer's co-op, get yourself some gardening books, seed, and tools, and use your land to grow yourself some food instead of spending all that money and water on a manicured lawn. Heck, your county's Agriculture Extension office would be more than happy to help you in that endevour. You can plant fruit trees, berry bushes and patches, row crops, and learn how to can and freeze the fruits of your labors so as to have some food for the winter months. Ladies, how about planting some table herbs along with those petunias? Fresh sage, lemon grass, dill, basil, and oregano are so much more flavorful than the dried stuff you get at the store. You can also grow them indoors over the winter by the windows.
Also, you CAN keep a few hens for eggs(don't need a rooster for that) in a small coop about the size of the average dog run without much effort. Rabbits not only breed prolifically, they are an excellent lean meat source, and in both cases you can use the droppings as high-grade fertilizer for the crops. Instead of throwing out food scraps, coffee grounds, tea bags, egg shells, and other organic waste, try composting it to enrich the soil.
The cause of our grain shortage is not ethanol production, it's our own greed, short-sightedness, and stupidity. Of course, the weather here the past couple of years hasn't been conducive to optimum production either. Once again the Midwest has been hit by massive floods and the Southeast is still in a drought. If we had the larger land-base of arable land still in production, tho, it wouldn't be so much of an emergency.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/15/2008 3:11:31 PM
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Not only is the E-85 only a few cents cheaper then regular gas but the gas mileage is much lower. OK whoever thought up this one really need the special cap to wear.
The problem with corn prices is far more then just grow some corn for yourself. Animal feed is made up of corn so dairy and meat prices are going to go up as well. Wheat is also skyrocketing. They are linked somehow but I cannot remember off the top of my head.
There is no doubt that we are in some really tough times but these are the times that we show what we are really made of. Another good thing that can come out of this is that necessity is the mother of invention. Our best breakthroughs in technology has been from need.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/15/2008 3:28:21 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Most livestock feed is made from corn, oats, soy beans and wheat, with some silage(hay, corn shucks and stalks, alfalfa, cotton seed hulls, etc).
Not only is feed going up but so is transporation(fuel and maintenance) costs for feed, supplies, and getting livestock to market, meat production(electricity for processing and refrigeration at meat packing plants) and getting meat to vendors.
Rising grain prices also means booze will be going up too, so you'll have to pay more to get snockered.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/15/2008 6:12:06 PM
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fiat_lux
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The cause of our grain shortage is not ethanol production, it's our own greed, short-sightedness, and stupidity. Of course, the weather here the past couple of years hasn't been conducive to optimum production either. Once again the Midwest has been hit by massive floods and the Southeast is still in a drought. If we had the larger land-base of arable land still in production, tho, it wouldn't be so much of an emergency.
All those things are true, but I have to think the biofuel research agenda is having at least some impact on prices (a subsidized impact, as it happens) - it's now taking up something like 20-25% of American corn production. That's a fairly significant new demand on production.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/16/2008 12:50:56 AM
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In somewhat tangent to this thread, I've heard in the news that there's been a rash of thefts over... USED VEGETABLE OIL! Apparently with the price of oil, corn or vegetable-based cooking oil can be converted to some lucrative fuel source, so not surprisingly, many restaurants (fast food-themed ones included) have been subject to these sorts of crimes. All of a sudden, I think we better reconsider what kind of fatty oils we'll be banning for our French fries! 
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/16/2008 1:32:23 PM
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I don't see what's wrong with this. My grandpa loves the high corn prices.
The US is the world's largest grain producer. We are the Saudi Arabia of grain. Therefore, why are we opposed to high grain prices? All it does is help middle-class family farms.
If you don't like it, buy your own farm.
But remember, the Saudi citizens are not paying market prices for their gasoline.
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/16/2008 2:04:34 PM
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WesP
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I think a more reasonable and clever soultion to our energy problems is drive more efficient vehicles, and on good weather days/health-safe days ride a bike, walk or skateboard etc. it's good exercise and you aren't polluting the air!!!
Hmmm...that means that my 9yo, 7yo, 6yo, and 4yo will have to ride a minimum of 6 miles by bike every day to get to the sitters during the summer. Not only will I have to ride that distance with them, but I will have to pedal an additional 12 miles to handle that small work thingy that I do. When school starts back we have to add another 12 miles to the deal. Too much exercise for me! My children wouldn't mind, but.... 
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/16/2008 2:12:38 PM
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and even kudzu
Kudzu. I love the kudzu, that is a funny instrument.
Kudzu
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/16/2008 4:23:46 PM
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and even kudzu
Kudzu. I love the kudzu, that is a funny instrument.
Kudzu
You ain't from around here are you?
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RE: Price of Corn Set New Record!! - 6/16/2008 4:35:28 PM
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mapachito13
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I don't see what's wrong with this. My grandpa loves the high corn prices.
The US is the world's largest grain producer. We are the Saudi Arabia of grain. Therefore, why are we opposed to high grain prices? All it does is help middle-class family farms.
If you don't like it, buy your own farm.
Because the price of gas in Saudi Arabia is $ 0.91 per gallon where is the low prices for corn for food for us since we are the Saudi Arabia of corn? Are we paying 1/4 the price the rest of the world is paying for our corn?
Global Gas Prices
< Message edited by mapachito13 -- 6/16/2008 4:43:35 PM >
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