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PhunkD -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/15/2008 8:48:08 PM)

Actually, in markets where liberal talk radio can get on the air, it does great.



Zhi -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/15/2008 9:04:01 PM)

I would posit that it's not because liberals don't like talk radio... conservative talk radio flourishes because conservatives like listening to conservative talk radio because they agree with it. Liberals like listening to conservative talk radio because they like to call in and argue a lot... which in turn makes it more interesting so more conservatives and liberals want to listen...

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Actually, in markets where liberal talk radio can get on the air, it does great.

I would be interested in a demographic correlation between the presence of successful liberal talk radio and percentage of people claiming to be liberal.

No offense... I just have a theory that conservative talk radio is more prevalent area-wise because there are larger geographical areas that are conservative (as opposed to more densely populated areas, which tend to be more liberal). For reference, check out these maps, which are pretty cool: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/



stellaluna -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/15/2008 10:15:53 PM)

I do not think the fairness doctrine should be re-instated. It already exists in advertising form...that's plenty.



humbleinspirit -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/15/2008 10:17:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PhunkD

Actually, in markets where liberal talk radio can get on the air, it does great.


Not true, it failed in Boston, among other cities as well.



PhunkD -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/15/2008 10:36:53 PM)

Often, as in Boston, liberal talk is regulated to extremely low power stations, which always leads to bad ratings.



rcjames -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 9:48:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PhunkD

Actually, in markets where liberal talk radio can get on the air, it does great.


Do you have anything to back up this outlandish claim.

Thanks
RC



tafkam -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 9:50:49 AM)

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Often, as in Boston, liberal talk is regulated to extremely low power stations, which always leads to bad ratings.


Perhaps that's all they can get because they lack THE RATINGS to garner the interest of higher powered stations.



Sophie11 -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 9:59:51 AM)

The endless excuses given as to why liberal talk radio doesn't succeed never fails to amaze me. In one breath it's said they do great if they can get on the air, but in the next it's admitted they get bad ratings, but blamed on low power stations. What next.



tafkam -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 10:19:48 AM)

Liberal radio doesn't work because it is one thing to spout off bumper sticker ideology, it's quite another to get on the air and take calls and have to defend it live for two or three hours.

I tried listening to Air America for a while and had to give up. The hate level on most of those shows was through the roof. There was no sense of humor, no lighter moments, and after the five hundredth variation of "Bush lied" or "Halliburton" nonsense, it just became painful. It just wasn't good radio.

Even my liberal friends were more interested in trying to go one on one with Sean or Rush than being one of Rhandi Rhodes "yes men" callers.....



Zhi -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 11:37:13 AM)

Honestly I've never understood the desire to go "one on one" with a radio host who has the opposite ideology from you. The host has all the power. He has the "hang up" button. You're not going to win. Best case you'll manage to get through it without sounding like a nutjob.



tafkam -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 11:42:23 AM)

As someone who listens regularly to Boortz, Gallagher, and the like, I have seen far more instances of liberals calling in, getting their digs in, then hanging up as the host tries to respond.

I don't care if you're a liberal, but if you're going to call the shows, don't be a coward....



Zhi -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 11:46:50 AM)

Yeah, but the host has the rest of the show to respond, and the caller mostly ends up sounding like a junior high prank caller. hehe. They might as well call in and yell "Hey Rush, is your refrigerator running? If so, BUSH SUCKS!" or something.



tafkam -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 11:50:54 AM)

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Yeah, but the host has the rest of the show to respond, and the caller mostly ends up sounding like a junior high prank caller.


Then don't act that way. I'm impressed when liberals call into Sean or whoever and manage to be polite and courteous and actually desire an exhange as opposed to a rant. Sean usually gives those people some pretty cool gifts as a result.

But if you call in and you're a jerk, expect to be treated like one....



Sophie11 -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 11:56:31 AM)

What I don't understand is if someone hates a show so much, why listen to it and furthermore why take the time to call in and sit on hold just to angrily spew hatred at the host? I mean, I personally have tuned in to many shows that I did not agree with. I would either keep listening for the purpose of hearing a little more of the other side, or if it was really making me mad I would change the station. I can't imagine wasting my time calling in, but hey whatever floats their boat I suppose.



Zhi -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 12:13:27 PM)

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Then don't act that way. I'm impressed when liberals call into Sean or whoever and manage to be polite and courteous and actually desire an exhange as opposed to a rant. Sean usually gives those people some pretty cool gifts as a result.

But if you call in and you're a jerk, expect to be treated like one....

Well, obviously yes. *shrug*

Kind of getting off topic, though.

This is a capitalist country. What sells, gets more exposure. What people prefer, sells better. I'm surprised people aren't trying to institute a "fairness doctrine" to make sure people eat as much plain vanilla ice cream as chocolate fudge brownie ice cream.

If conservative talk radio sells better than liberal talk radio, then more stations are going to want to play it, because they make more money off advertisement that way. Liberal talk radio people need to stop whining and start trying to figure out how to make their views sell better.

Besides, if this goes through, NPR is so going to get sued.



Soxfan -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 12:26:22 PM)

Fairness Doctrine = Media Affirmative Action

No one wants to listen to lefties whine and complain about this country, so we'll FORCE you to listen



rlj -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/16/2008 1:32:54 PM)

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Fairness Doctrine = Media Affirmative Action


If that were the case then Bo Snerdley and Walter Williams should have been enough for them to lay off of Rush. ; )



Beanteaser -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/17/2008 9:59:57 AM)

I think Americans should have the right to listen to whatever they want.

Can anyone else see the socialist agenda the democrats are pushing?



galadriel2 -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/23/2008 12:29:52 PM)

I think Christianity can easily hold up on its own in the marketplace of ideas. It is just that so few Christians understand their Christianity and/or can express it effectively and/or accurately.

God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2



humbleinspirit -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/28/2008 4:46:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PhunkD

Often, as in Boston, liberal talk is regulated to extremely low power stations, which always leads to bad ratings.


Actually, it was on 2 stations on the AM and came into the Boston area quite well! The previous format on the frequency garnered good ratings. The progressive talk format garnered none. Even the top Christian station had better ratings than liberal talk did!



colliefan -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/28/2008 4:56:45 PM)

Doesn't Sharpton have his own show? What about Tom Daschle? Rush had a parordy of him doing his own show and the parody was too close to reality.



henny -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/28/2008 7:19:05 PM)

I don't really see how the faliure of liberal radio can be seen as a fault against liberals. I think it only speaks well of a particular demographic when they reject the sort of simplistic, knee-jerk, narrow minded stupidity that talk radio formats -be they liberal or conservative- usually peddle. If anything, conservatives should be ashamed that conservative talk-radio is so popular amongst conservatives.

I tried out Air America briefly, but got bored with it and quit listening, just because it struck me as basically everything that's bad about Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh -only presented from a liberal angle. And I know I'm not the only one. Most of the other liberals I know have never bothered with talk radio, either.

Of course it's stupid to speak in absolutes (there's plenty of mindless liberals), but even still I've always took it as a mark of great pride that liberal talk radio has failed so miserably. I'd like to think it's because the majority of liberals reject that sort of broadcasting and demand a bit more substance, diversity, and nuance from their media. Or at least that's what I'd like to think, anyway. I admitt that this sentiment is often thrwarted when I visit any liberal leaning forum and see an abundance of evidence to the contrary [:)] ).



wing2000 -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/28/2008 8:08:56 PM)

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Clear Channel owns stations that they bought and paid for. They are successful because they run programming that is popular.


That's all well and good. But part of the problem is more and more 'news' media is being driven by what people want to hear (ratings)....and not so much by what they need to hear.

How often has 'conservative' radio or TV sent a correspondent to say Sudan or China and do extended, in-depth reporting?



rcjames -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/28/2008 8:27:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wing2000
How often has 'conservative' radio or TV sent a correspondent to say Sudan or China and do extended, in-depth reporting?


Conservative radio are not news reporting agencies.

I like it the way it is now; radio driven by the listeners.

If liberals want someone to hear what they have to say let them start their own network. Oh yea, they did that and it fell on its face because they had no listenership.

Well duh, there's your sign.

Thanks
RC



colliefan -> RE: Fairness Doctrine... (6/28/2008 8:39:12 PM)

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I'd like to think it's because the majority of liberals reject that sort of broadcasting and demand a bit more substance, diversity, and nuance from their media.


Get real. Some years ago the editor of the local fish-wraper spoke at a volunteer appreciation dinner at a local prison. He said I always train my reporters how to think.

But nothing could top a sound bite of a reporter asking the following question about the decision on the second amendment: "does this mean the Consitution trumps policy?" Yes, bimbo-brain, it does.



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