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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 12:34:41 AM
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MrFribbles
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Do not use the Third World poor as a reference point for how you dress.
Good call, and excellent research!
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 6:53:39 AM
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Excellent point, ps 103, but, and I don't mean to sound racist here, I've noticed that people in primarily black churches tend to dress up much more that the average white congregation. I think we whites are spoiled more than african americans.
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The West is spoiled and does not like anything that pulls us out of our comfort zones. I am not saying it is required to dress up for church, but just bear in mind that our Third World brethren recognize that going to church is different than just running out for plantains...
I also went to a church that had many Kenyans who were members. They invariably showed up in three-piece suits. (I can't remember the last time I saw an American in a three-piece suit--especially not at that particular church, so they were not trying to "fit in.")
Do not use the Third World poor as a reference point for how you dress.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 8:01:13 AM
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I had read the book Crowns and if I remember correctly, there was a time when a black woman didn't go out without a skirt, hose, hat and gloves. It was not for comfort but to look more polished and professional with the hopes of being treated more respectfully.
Too many of today's young adults dare us by dressing disrespectfully. But that goes beyond the scope of dressing for church.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 8:19:37 AM
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I am not gonna show up in heaven in a three piece suit.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:02:08 PM
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but I don't think you'll be wrapped in a white bedsheet, have white feather wings, gold glitter crisscrossed your chest and have a small goldern harp-type thingie.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:12:14 PM
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I think ps103 has an excellent point.
Wear whatever you want, but then don't try to make that choice "holy" by comparing it to 3rd world countries.
And just because I can't keep my big ole mouth shut about this...if you truly believe it's a matter of being "spoiled" Americans that keeps us from doing whatever it is we should be doing according to whomever....
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:24:10 PM
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Thank you (I guess) for introducing my words from another forum. For those of you who don't know, it is the Rock and Roll forum. Now that you have, let me try to explain my feelings on the matter. The "world" today dresses in tee shirts, blue jeans and flip flops (very casual) and there's nothing wrong with this. And by the way, I didn't say "causal clothes," I said "tee shirts and blue jeans."
God did not send us His "everyday" Son with a "that's good enough" attitude. He sent us His very best, One who was to die for our "that's good enough" sins. Supposedly, anyway, we go to church to honor and praise God, in addition to learning His will for us. I don't believe that God will dishonor us because we don't wear "good" clothes to church, but............... Is it honoring and praising Him if we don't care enough to at least dress in something besides the clothes we wear to work or play? Is it too uncomfortable to wear "good" clothes for a couple of hours, once or twice a week? It wasn't too uncomfortable for Jesus when He was hanging on the cross, bleeding and dying for our sins was it? I don't think there is any comparison!
God sent us His very best. Can't we at least dress as though we appreciate what He has given us, and done for us, and will continue to do for us? I'm sure He won't deny us access to Heaven if we don't dress up a little bit and just show up at church in our "cleanest dirty shirt," to quote Kristofferson's song. I just like to present myself a little better than that, just to show my appreciation to HIM.
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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
In another thread, someone made the claim that it would be wrong to wear casual clothes to church instead of more formal clothing -
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The same goes for wearing tee shirts and blue jeans to church (if you do indeed own better clothing).
My question is, what are your thoughts about the clothes we wear to church? Is there a biblical mandate?
I'm more interested in the casual vs. formal discussion, not so much the modesty issue, but if you want to discuss that, then go for it!
I agree with your post 100%
Got a question for all the "casual" posters.How far will the casual dress go?I dress in my "dress up" clothes for church for this reason.Quite often I think of the beautiful hymn "Give of your best to the Master".He gave His all for me,and He deserves my best In everything,including dress.Im not out to impress anyone,not even God.But I do believe He deserves my very best.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:29:18 PM
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Well, we're casual cause we're still a church plant.
When we were attending a church, we were business casual.
Many people wore jeans, etc. There were t-shirts, flip flops, etc.
No one purposely wore "nasty, dirty" clothes to church. Whatever was worn was clean.
I think each point-of-view has extremes to it that we want to attribute as the norm for that view and that's simply not the reality of it whether it's dressy or casual.
Casual does not have to mean nasty, dirty, torn up clothing.
Dressy does not have to mean 3-piece suit, pantyhose, heels.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:34:08 PM
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Got a question for all the "casual" posters.How far will the casual dress go?I dress in my "dress up" clothes for church for this reason.Quite often I think of the beautiful hymn "Give of your best to the Master".He gave His all for me,and He deserves my best In everything,including dress.Im not out to impress anyone,not even God.But I do believe He deserves my very best.
Does He only deserve your very best for a couple hours on Sunday mornings? Do you dress in your best every time you come into His presence (prayer times, etc.)? What's different about Sunday mornings that you dress in your best for Him then, but you don't at other times? God is not confined to the sanctuary.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:34:28 PM
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Thinking about some of this....
and I have been working with children on dress.... (teenagers on down)...
I would rather have a child in more casual clothes with an attitude that is ready and willing to worship than to have a child in a "formal" dress with an attitude of not wanting to be there....
As I have focused more on the heart of worship, I have noticed an improvement in the dress of my children (they are starting to wear casual skirts, and better clothes).
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:42:45 PM
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Thanx for your vote of confidence. Boy, you sure went back in time to dig that post out!
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ORIGINAL: yustme
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Thank you (I guess) for introducing my words from another forum. For those of you who don't know, it is the Rock and Roll forum. Now that you have, let me try to explain my feelings on the matter. The "world" today dresses in tee shirts, blue jeans and flip flops (very casual) and there's nothing wrong with this. And by the way, I didn't say "causal clothes," I said "tee shirts and blue jeans."
God did not send us His "everyday" Son with a "that's good enough" attitude. He sent us His very best, One who was to die for our "that's good enough" sins. Supposedly, anyway, we go to church to honor and praise God, in addition to learning His will for us. I don't believe that God will dishonor us because we don't wear "good" clothes to church, but............... Is it honoring and praising Him if we don't care enough to at least dress in something besides the clothes we wear to work or play? Is it too uncomfortable to wear "good" clothes for a couple of hours, once or twice a week? It wasn't too uncomfortable for Jesus when He was hanging on the cross, bleeding and dying for our sins was it? I don't think there is any comparison!
God sent us His very best. Can't we at least dress as though we appreciate what He has given us, and done for us, and will continue to do for us? I'm sure He won't deny us access to Heaven if we don't dress up a little bit and just show up at church in our "cleanest dirty shirt," to quote Kristofferson's song. I just like to present myself a little better than that, just to show my appreciation to HIM.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
In another thread, someone made the claim that it would be wrong to wear casual clothes to church instead of more formal clothing -
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The same goes for wearing tee shirts and blue jeans to church (if you do indeed own better clothing).
My question is, what are your thoughts about the clothes we wear to church? Is there a biblical mandate?
I'm more interested in the casual vs. formal discussion, not so much the modesty issue, but if you want to discuss that, then go for it!
I agree with your post 100%
Got a question for all the "casual" posters.How far will the casual dress go?I dress in my "dress up" clothes for church for this reason.Quite often I think of the beautiful hymn "Give of your best to the Master".He gave His all for me,and He deserves my best In everything,including dress.Im not out to impress anyone,not even God.But I do believe He deserves my very best.
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The light of God surrounds me,
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The power of God protects me,
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 2:51:45 PM
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I agree with your post 100%
Got a question for all the "casual" posters.How far will the casual dress go?I dress in my "dress up" clothes for church for this reason.Quite often I think of the beautiful hymn "Give of your best to the Master".He gave His all for me,and He deserves my best In everything,including dress.Im not out to impress anyone,not even God.But I do believe He deserves my very best.
I certainly hope you put on your Sunday best on Sunday & Wednesday evenings and before you say your prayers at night and each morning or else you're either holding out on your best or you are confused about the meaning of giving your best to the Master.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 3:07:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: Restored_Heart
Thinking about some of this....
and I have been working with children on dress.... (teenagers on down)...
I would rather have a child in more casual clothes with an attitude that is ready and willing to worship than to have a child in a "formal" dress with an attitude of not wanting to be there....
As I have focused more on the heart of worship, I have noticed an improvement in the dress of my children (they are starting to wear casual skirts, and better clothes).
our kids go fairly casual (though, some people may say that what we think is "casual" is "dressy")....anyway, in their sunday school classes, typically, they do art projects, spend some time on the playground (indoor or outdoor playgrounds), and other activities while being taught God's word, that make dressing "casual" more practical....
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 3:08:46 PM
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I guess I just don't understand all the hooplah about dress. I wear a suit and tie five days a week at work. I wear a suit and tie to church. It is my preference. I am usually not averly concerned with the cost of my clothes. I do however like a good suit and a good watch.(BTW I do not own a Rolex but if I wanted one I probably would. I do not look down on people whose clothing cost less than mine and I most certainly do not look up to people whose clothing cost more. They're just clothes.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 3:10:25 PM
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I have been in churches who made you wear certain clothing. I could never feel free there.
Now, that is interesting.....could you elaborate as to what you were made to wear.....how it was "enforced".....was it members and visitor's alike subject to the "Dress code"?
what kind of church was it?
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 3:20:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: yustme
I agree with your post 100%
Got a question for all the "casual" posters.How far will the casual dress go?I dress in my "dress up" clothes for church for this reason.Quite often I think of the beautiful hymn "Give of your best to the Master".He gave His all for me,and He deserves my best In everything,including dress.Im not out to impress anyone,not even God.But I do believe He deserves my very best.
I certainly hope you put on your Sunday best on Sunday & Wednesday evenings and before you say your prayers at night and each morning or else you're either holding out on your best or you are confused about the meaning of giving your best to the Master.
Have you ever heard "there's a time and a place for everything"
When I go to church,I'm dressed In my best
When I go to the park,I'm dressed accordingly
When I go to the beach, " " "
When I go to a party,depends on what kind of a party It Is,I'm dressed accordingly.
Get my meaning?
And no,I'm not at all confused about giving my best to the Master.
I don't mean to sound sarcastic,but your post was rather quite sarcastic.Or at least that's the way it sounded to me.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/28/2008 8:55:07 PM
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but just bear in mind that our Third World brethren recognize that going to church is different than just running out for plantains...
It's a nice thought, but I fail to see how clothes prove this.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/29/2008 8:23:08 AM
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How far will the casual dress go?
To the point of modesty.
I don't know what is more holy about more expensive clothes..which is what it really boils down to.
Its...fabric. Its...not important. God does not care if you come in jeans or a suit as long as you come. God will not love you less if you come in jeans. God will not love you less if you come from work, before a shower.
....and...are you really dressing up for...God?
What I wear has no bearing on the respect I have for God. That would be very...superficial. How I act. How I love. How I obey. How I worship......much more important to God than the kind of cloth I cover myself with.
With that in mind, modesty IS important to God.
I don't think God cares if you come to church after cleaning out the septic tank...however, for manners sake I would hope you would clean up a little first.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/29/2008 9:05:08 AM
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Have you ever heard "there's a time and a place for everything"
When I go to church,I'm dressed In my best
When I go to the park,I'm dressed accordingly
When I go to the beach, " " "
When I go to a party,depends on what kind of a party It Is,I'm dressed accordingly.
Get my meaning?
And no,I'm not at all confused about giving my best to the Master.
I don't mean to sound sarcastic,but your post was rather quite sarcastic.Or at least that's the way it sounded to me.
I think you have just proven my point. You think there are certain times you give "your best" to the Master and the rest of the time He only deserves second or third best because, well, just because we've done it that way for the past hundred years but only at church on Sunday morning.
I submit that either He deserves you in a suit in tie every time you go to church or approach the throne of Grace, or else something is wrong with your logic.
There was no sarcasm in my post, just carrying your logic to its natural conclusion. We're talking how we dress when we come before Abba Father. You seem to think He deserves a suit and tie on Sunday morning. If so, He deserves it Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, and any time we decide to worship, pray, or otherwise come before Him. Whatever you think He deserves in out attire, He should deserve it consistently.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/29/2008 11:18:58 AM
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yustme
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How far will the casual dress go?
To the point of modesty.
I don't know what is more holy about more expensive clothes..which is what it really boils down to.
Its...fabric. Its...not important. God does not care if you come in jeans or a suit as long as you come. God will not love you less if you come in jeans. God will not love you less if you come from work, before a shower.
....and...are you really dressing up for...God?
What I wear has no bearing on the respect I have for God. That would be very...superficial. How I act. How I love. How I obey. How I worship......much more important to God than the kind of cloth I cover myself with.
With that in mind, modesty IS important to God.
I don't think God cares if you come to church after cleaning out the septic tank...however, for manners sake I would hope you would clean up a little first.
I want you to know all the cloths I wear is second hand.As a preachers kid that's all I've ever worn,and I thank God for them.My cloths are not expensive,but there clean.
When i said I believe in giving my best to the Master,that's my opinion for ME.You wear what you want,but please don't judge my heart,intents motives.God does know our hearts,and it's revealed in our actions,talk,dress.And no I don't think I'm any better than anyone else.For myself,I prefer to dress in a dress Sunday morning,Sunday night,and Wednesday.But that's my preference.If you want to go in your shorts,go for it.But it doesn't make me any better Christian than it does you.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/29/2008 11:24:10 AM
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Just a thought....
Our clothes.... compared to God.... no matter what they are - can they be anything other than rags compared to Him?
I think God wants us to be clothed in His finest
Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Gentleness
Self-control
and bring them in under the perfume of total worship - entirely focused on Him...
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/29/2008 1:07:56 PM
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yustme
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ORIGINAL: Restored_Heart
Just a thought....
Our clothes.... compared to God.... no matter what they are - can they be anything other than rags compared to Him?
I think God wants us to be clothed in His finest
Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Gentleness
Self-control
and bring them in under the perfume of total worship - entirely focused on Him...
Amen & Amen!!
We're getting TOO hung up on clothes.Everybody has their own opinion,but that's all it is "opinions".
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 7/29/2008 1:15:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: sunshine60
I have been in churches who made you wear certain clothing. I could never feel free there.
Now, that is interesting.....could you elaborate as to what you were made to wear.....how it was "enforced".....was it members and visitor's alike subject to the "Dress code"?
what kind of church was it?
I am obviously not Sunshine, but it appeared that you had a hard time swallowing that there are churches like that around. Not that you disbelieved Sunshine but that something like this is just hard to imagine.
I was a part of such an organization for years, and Father was a minister in it. When I was a child, the dress code was that no one age 14 or so and up wore any sleeve above the elbow or wore shorts. Women wore dresses at all times, with the hem midway between the ankle and knee, no clavicle or below showing, nylons with seams, no toes showing from their shoes, and their long hair in a hairnet. By the time I left almost 10 years ago, that had changed such that women could only wear skirts and dresses in the church and they would rather we wore no pants, and a woman's outfit had to have some sleeve. Since then, they have become less stringent, if we are to go by what was worn in a shower my daughter went to inside the main church earlier this year.
How did they enforce this? By teaching us that they were the only church organization that was completely correct, ALL other churches were inferior by far. By teaching us that they had the whole truth, while SOME other churches only had some of the truth. By teaching us that they, who are The Righteous, will barely get through the pearly gates, and others, including those in their own congregations who were not up to THEIR judgment, would not make it at all.
They used scare tactics, brainwashing, loud angry rants from the pulpit, and threats from the pulpit to enforce their ideas. Those of us who were born into the church knew nothing else, because they used their own published literature and no other, strongly discouraged us from attending anything in other churches, and refusing to allow us to have home Bible studies. Everything religious that we participated in had to be approved by the pastor.
Further, they strongly taught us that if we did not comply, we would be anathema with the church, and the church was our salvation. Whatever the pastor said was G-d's words to our ears, No Matter What. Everything that the pastor did was right, just, and approved by G-d.
AND if we left the church organization, we would go to hell and take our children with us. I heard this all of my life, and when I did leave, after being kicked out and not trying to be reinstated, I was told this several times by a beloved in-law who is still in the church.
THAT is how they do it.
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