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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/19/2008 2:20:24 PM
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Consecrated2God
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Ahh! Now that makes sense! 
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/19/2008 2:38:29 PM
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But, our worship attendance total for the weekend (1 saturday night, 2 on sunday), was 12.326
So what did that .326 of a person look like, anyway? 
I realized my "slight typo) after I pressed the "Submit" button....and, thought, "Oh, no one is going to catch that".....
now, I know better!
at least I know SOMEONE is reading my posts!
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/19/2008 2:52:08 PM
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I think church bulletins are good. Some of my friends like to see how much money the church got. My church bulletin has the announcements and prayer requests (so you can post it on the fridge). They used to have a list of who's doing what... like if we were doing lunch cleanup they'd have that. Now they don't, and that's annoying.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/19/2008 6:56:37 PM
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I realized my "slight typo) after I pressed the "Submit" button....and, thought, "Oh, no one is going to catch that".....
I usually do catch typos--in other people's posts. I don't notice my own most of the time, unfortunately, until it's too late. 
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/19/2008 9:41:01 PM
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I like keeping up with the order of service printed in the bulletins...or programs, as they once were called. But I do see how we can become dependent on that "order of service". If our pastor did something that was not printed in the bulletin, he would apologize for it. I always wished he wouldn't do that! Sometimes that just has to be done!
I did go to a church a few times where the old people would get upset when they printed words to the newer songs in the bulletin (songs that weren't in the hymnal). They wanted to be able to "see the music" and claimed they couldn't sing without it! They would just stand there with this angry look on their faces, refusing to sing. I always wondered if they could even read music. 
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/19/2008 10:49:28 PM
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I did go to a church a few times where the old people would get upset when they printed words to the newer songs in the bulletin (songs that weren't in the hymnal). They wanted to be able to "see the music" and claimed they couldn't sing without it! They would just stand there with this angry look on their faces, refusing to sing. I always wondered if they could even read music.
Well, I'm an "old people" . And I can certainly understand needing to see the music in order to sing a new song. What you may not know (maybe) is that we "old people" were taught music and learned to sing the songs by reading the words and music. It certainly is harder when there is no music to follow in singing a new song.
Further, what you may already understand is that over the decades of my life, music has changed -- significantly. The timing has changed, note progression has changed, chording has changed. As a result, it simply is not easy for us "old people" to pick up on some songs.
My congregation is also not given the music. We have NO hymnals at all. The words are projected, and we sing them. Without the music, it is harder for me to recognize some songs, using only words, until we are into them, and the unfortunate part of that is that sometimes, I am part of the "praise team" when someone is absent. Too often, I must stumble into my part!
When I visit my husband's church, it is the same -- everything is projected, and I don't know half of what they sing. I sometimes spend the time of the first verse and chorus (if there is one) learning the music, and sometimes, I still don't know it for the second verse.
You really need to have a little more compassion and tolerance for us "old people." Compassion is a good thing! Tolerance for us is also a good thing!
And dare I bring up the fact that if it were not for the $$$ "old people" supplied, your church would not be in existence? Should I mention that if it were not for the continued $$$ we supply, there would not be a church there for you?
I shouldn't?
Okay. I won't.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 7:56:51 AM
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I agree with Covann about the music. Unless you want everyone singing lead, you need the music notation printed. When my church started dumping hymnals and putting words on the overhead, you could HEAR the difference. Much less harmony.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 12:16:13 PM
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Not quite understanding why someone paid by church would not be member but hey how is it I can get in line for it. Anybody else's church wanting to pay someone to do bulletins let me know I need the money.
our church has an entire full-time "communications" department that designs/creates the bulletins, the quarterly newsletter, maintains the website....and does a TON of other projects and items.....while Iam sure they have a "preference" towards church members, I doubt that is a "requirement" that you MUST be a member....that would really limit the number of potential candidates for a specific position.....
I am an art director/designer, and, so, when i saw that a position was available there a few years ago, I checked it out.....As a person who is the "sole provider" of their household, supporting a wife and 3 kids, it didn't pay even close to as much as I needed.....but, if I was fresh out of college, and needed to "start off" with some solid experience, it would be a great job (at least for a while)....
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 12:55:53 PM
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I think maybe the person doing the bulletins is the church secretary, of whom in many cases is not a member of the church as a precaution set up in the bylaws of the individual church.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 1:00:00 PM
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Not quite understanding why someone paid by church would not be member but hey how is it I can get in line for it. Anybody else's church wanting to pay someone to do bulletins let me know I need the money.
love the kitty btw
I work for a church of which I am not a member. Even though it is not in their bylaws, it is a good idea. Trust me. \ / O \ /
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 1:03:17 PM
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doinkdom
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I totally agree with Abiyah on this.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:11:11 PM
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I did go to a church a few times where the old people would get upset when they printed words to the newer songs in the bulletin (songs that weren't in the hymnal). They wanted to be able to "see the music" and claimed they couldn't sing without it! They would just stand there with this angry look on their faces, refusing to sing. I always wondered if they could even read music.
Well, I'm an "old people" . And I can certainly understand needing to see the music in order to sing a new song. What you may not know (maybe) is that we "old people" were taught music and learned to sing the songs by reading the words and music. It certainly is harder when there is no music to follow in singing a new song.
Further, what you may already understand is that over the decades of my life, music has changed -- significantly. The timing has changed, note progression has changed, chording has changed. As a result, it simply is not easy for us "old people" to pick up on some songs.
My congregation is also not given the music. We have NO hymnals at all. The words are projected, and we sing them. Without the music, it is harder for me to recognize some songs, using only words, until we are into them, and the unfortunate part of that is that sometimes, I am part of the "praise team" when someone is absent. Too often, I must stumble into my part!
When I visit my husband's church, it is the same -- everything is projected, and I don't know half of what they sing. I sometimes spend the time of the first verse and chorus (if there is one) learning the music, and sometimes, I still don't know it for the second verse.
You really need to have a little more compassion and tolerance for us "old people." Compassion is a good thing! Tolerance for us is also a good thing!
And dare I bring up the fact that if it were not for the $$$ "old people" supplied, your church would not be in existence? Should I mention that if it were not for the continued $$$ we supply, there would not be a church there for you?
I shouldn't?
Okay. I won't.
Oh, you're preaching to the choir (snicker) about the music thing! I don't know your age, but I'm in my mid 40's and some people think I'm one of the "older" ones. (It's all perspective, isn't it?) Believe me, I'd much rather have the music to look at, too, to help me learn a new song. And I love the hymns and the hymnals!
I was just appalled at the "attitude" of these people. It ended up creating a split within the church. The early service was "traditional" and the later service was "contemporary". They essentially had two churches sharing the same building and the members of one wouldn't even talk to the members of the other! And all over music!!! These "older" members should have been the ones setting godly examples for the younger ones.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:17:41 PM
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Peter_gunn,
that is very common all over. "Worship wars" have destroyed many churches the past 15 years or so.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:20:15 PM
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Well, I'm old enough to be your . . . your . . . big sister. My children are in their mid-thirties, and no one asks for my ID when I eat from the senior menu.
When a congregation has two services, in order to have a hymn service and a contemporary one, I certainly would not call that a church-split; I call that accommodation. But when one won't speak to the other, I call that crazy, selfish, nutzoid, and a great demonstration of the body of believers (yeah, sure!).
However, are you sure they don't speak to one another?? Really?? That is just plain weird.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:23:48 PM
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I've seen the split and not speaking to each other all too much. One church I attended for awhile had two separate services ongoing simultaneously (one had the pastor on a big screen during the message in a separate area)....the only thing they did separately was the worship (traditional was in the sanctuary and the contemporary was in another area).
Oh and a lot of them...even though they were at church at the exact same time...wouldn't talk to each other. So not that weird...
Aren't we getting a tad off topic? 
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:28:34 PM
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Well, I'm old enough to be your . . . your . . . big sister. My children are in their mid-thirties, and no one asks for my ID when I eat from the senior menu.
When a congregation has two services, in order to have a hymn service and a contemporary one, I certainly would not call that a church-split; I call that accommodation. But when one won't speak to the other, I call that crazy, selfish, nutzoid, and a great demonstration of the body of believers (yeah, sure!).
However, are you sure they don't speak to one another?? Really?? That is just plain weird.
Oh, yeah! Well, to be fair, it's been almost 10 years and many of the older ones are now dead. But, no, they wouldn't have anything to do with the "youngsters"...which we were considered then, too. They just wrote everyone that disagreed with them off. It wasn't just music, though...it was everything. When there were votes taken during business meetings, there were definite divisions there, too. If the youngsters said, "I vote to call the sky blue," the older ones would put forth a contrary vote, "I vote to call the sky azure."
You have to realize it's a small Southern Baptist Church. It's sad, but it affected the church overall (we found another one...that was just one of the many problematic issues.) One problem was that the pastor did nothing to even try to bring the congregation together. He was determined to retire from there and he knew who paid the bills!
He's still there...with one foot planted firmly on each side of the fence on all "controversial" issues.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:30:44 PM
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I vote FOR bulletins!
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:42:35 PM
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Well, I'm old enough to be your . . . your . . . big sister. My children are in their mid-thirties, and no one asks for my ID when I eat from the senior menu.
When a congregation has two services, in order to have a hymn service and a contemporary one, I certainly would not call that a church-split; I call that accommodation. But when one won't speak to the other, I call that crazy, selfish, nutzoid, and a great demonstration of the body of believers (yeah, sure!).
However, are you sure they don't speak to one another?? Really?? That is just plain weird.
My church went to the traditional & contemporary services over a year ago and it has gone well (evening service is "blended"). I think the way it came about had a lot to do with it. The pastor appointed a committee to search the Lord's direct for our church without any other guidelines. Their ages ranged from 20s to senior adult and all were well-respected members. They brought the idea to the church after a lot of prayer and, at a later business meeting, discussion was held for everyone to ask questions and voice concerns. While not 100%, it was by overwhelming vote that we went with the two morning services.
The point of doing it might also have influenced the harmonious transition. We weren't trying to attract the world but provide the type of services that allowed believers to worship and praise God the way that suited their personalities best. Some of us are more reserved in public and some are more expressive. We didn't want some to feel forced or others to feel constrained.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 2:46:05 PM
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JimboFletch, I replied to your comment in the new worship war thread. Come check it out!!!
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/20/2008 7:29:11 PM
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To answer back the why the one doing the bulleting was not a church member- As already stated the church Secretary does the bulletin. The church bylaws state that a church member cannot do the job for pay. Matter of fact the new bylaws state that no church member can hold a PAID position within the church as Bidding against one another for the jobs would cause division within the body-
Problem there being that those already in paid positions are "Grandfathered" in and can remain in the jobs. Let me tell you it reeks that you cannot even get a trashbag because another church member thinks they own the supply closet and has it locked and has the only key to unlock it other than the pastor who unlocked it once to get something and *GASP* moved something... Needless to say he never unlocked it again.
I'd rather pay an outsider 2x what we pay the insider and be able to get a trashbag, broom, dustpan, windex.... whenever I need it than have to deal with snipeing LOLs (Lil Ol Ladies- I have to remind myself to LOL[laugh out loud] so I don't spew sometimes) that have the sacred cleaning supply closet keys.
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RE: Church Bulletins- Good or Bad? - 6/21/2008 3:12:05 AM
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I read through this thread and now I am thankful for my church bulletins! They are done by our youth pastor/assistant pastor/part-time secretary. I noticed last Sunday's bulletin had some problems with layout and I knew he had to know it and was probably cringing over it. I expect the problems will be gone on Sunday. Hopefully I'll remember to give him a complement on Sunday after reading this thread. He has a lot on his plate and is a new dad to boot. I think he could do with some encouragement.
BTW, some of you go to huge churches! Even the one who said that they usually have around 350 in Sunday School seems big to me. Our church has around or a little over 100 in Sunday morning worship! But even at that small number, I find the bulletin indespensable.
I think it's true that communication has changed and there's less face to face communication than ever. I know that there's nothing in the Bible to support or contra-indicate having church bulletins. There are not a lot (though there are some) rules in the Bible for "doing church" at all. I think the important thing is doing church, worshipping Jesus in whatever culture we find ourselves. Most people in American culture culture today need church bulletins to do church. If in the past they weren't needed, that's okay. If in the future they become superfluous, that's okay too. If in some other country people don't need them that's okay. If there are churches here in the states that don't need them, that doesn't mean anything either. Here and now, they are, if not a necessity, a very useful and helpful thing and blessings on everyone who puts these things together! You are overlooked and over-criticized, but God sees everything you do for Him. Faithfully putting together a church bulletin every week is no less an act of worship, no less meeting the needs of the congregation, than anything else.
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