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tracydolls -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 11:40:03 AM)

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What is it about the midwestern people that differs so greatly from the New Orleans people?



WEll we all know the answer to that.

Katrina was poor, ignorant black folks, and in Cedar Rapids, it is hard working white folks.



tafkam -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 11:40:12 AM)

I'm surprised that no one has stepped up and blamed President Bush yet.

But give it time, I'm sure someone will...



kernsfamily -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 11:40:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit

I think I can say that Politics had a real lot to do with it.


The governor of Louisana had a REALLY REALLY hard time...having to call up Prez. bush (a republican), and give the "approval" for federal help to come on down.....

same with The Mayor.....

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Residents also had numerous warnings between the great flood of 1993 and now, so people are more prepared for this disaster.


With regards to "warnings".....ANYONE who lived in New Orleans for any length of time KNEW that once a hurricane, of most any size, would hit the city, that it would be devastated......I "met" my wife in 1994, and she had been telling me that everytime a hurricane would approach the gulf....always saying something like, "if that hurricane hits new orleans, it's a gonner"....

decades and decades of neglect, and misuse of billions in funds by local and state governments, created the 'problem' that caused the problems that happened in New Orleans....



Consecrated2God -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 11:47:14 AM)

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My biggest beef is not with the media coverage as some like to make it. My big problem is the fact that we (as Americans) are still having to listen to people whine about how bad they had it with Katrina.


So you aren't upset with a "lack of fuss" for the Midwest floods, you are upset that people are still talking about Katrina? Well, people are still being affected from that flood. It was a much larger disaster. Have a heart.

And I think I've said three times now that there has been reports of looting in the Midwest. There are bad people all over the country, as well as good people.



Sophie11 -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 11:48:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

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What is it about the midwestern people that differs so greatly from the New Orleans people?



WEll we all know the answer to that.

Katrina was poor, ignorant black folks, and in Cedar Rapids, it is hard working white folks.


Was that sarcasm or do you really feel this way?



StephK -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 11:57:44 AM)

You all forget what was going on before Katrina hit New Orleans. Crazy Cindy was protesting Dubya in Crawford over the war in Iraq. BlanKo and Sinator Mary Landrieu went on tv stating that due to the war in Iraq Louisiana's National Guard was in Iraq instead of here to help. Those two dingbats politicized this from the get go. Of course they got their talking points from their party leaders.

For the record, Nagin could not call a mandatory evacuation until he had somewhere to house every citizen under his jurisdiction. The failure in the lack of leadership was Blanko. However, after learning about the legalities of the shelters south of Interstate 10 not being available due to them being in the possible strike zone of a Cat 5 storm sheds a little light on the dilemma the not so bright FORMER governor had to deal with.

The failure of the floodwalls was due to poor design by the Corp of Engineers so there was governmental failure all around. They were in the process of failing so in a way Katrina actually saved thousands of lives because of the mandatory evacuation in place. People had reported seepage a few weeks prior to the storm where the floodwalls gave way. They were going to fail anyway because they were not designed correctly.



Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:02:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

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What is it about the midwestern people that differs so greatly from the New Orleans people?



WEll we all know the answer to that.

Katrina was poor, ignorant black folks, and in Cedar Rapids, it is hard working white folks.


Well...spoken like a true racist! Either that or someone who just wants to stir up trouble rather than carrying on a mature, intelligent conversation.



Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:04:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God

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My biggest beef is not with the media coverage as some like to make it. My big problem is the fact that we (as Americans) are still having to listen to people whine about how bad they had it with Katrina.


So you aren't upset with a "lack of fuss" for the Midwest floods, you are upset that people are still talking about Katrina? Well, people are still being affected from that flood. It was a much larger disaster. Have a heart.

And I think I've said three times now that there has been reports of looting in the Midwest. There are bad people all over the country, as well as good people.


If I didn't "have a heart", I wouldn't have volunteered my time, money and expertise twice already.

And yes, there is evil everywhere. Some places, there seems to be more evil than other places.



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:13:27 PM)

Do you realize how absolutely prejudiced you sound? Peter ?hmmm....why don't you say what you really mean? Spit it out, why don't you? How do you really feel about the people of New Orleans? I mean, after all, isn't it the people -is what this rant is all about? Don't mince words, don't beat around the "bush", just tell us how you really feel....about the people....er...uh, about the looting...[8|]

Because to me, it sounds like you are saying, and I could be wrong, that because the majority of the victims in the New Orleans floods who happen to have been poor and black must be so ignorant and unworthy that all they had the desire to do was to "loot" and "complain". And the Midwesterns, majority are caucasion must not be poor and/or criminal minded? What a silly and unedifying post....just pitiful [8D]

May God bless your soul,



Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:19:11 PM)

I'm getting the impression that the answer is thus: the bigger the scope, the more acceptable and excusable violence and theft is. Also, I'm getting the impression that the degree of grief one is allowed is also proportional to that scope. And the greater the scope, the more handouts, per person, we must provide, for as long as that person wishes.

Therefore, on a smaller scale, if I lose all my belongings to a flood, it's not as bad as if my whole town loses all their belongings to a flood.

Allow me to illustrate what I believe I'm hearing:
On this smaller scale, ef I'm the only one flooded, I don't count. But, if my whole town is flooded, we're well within our rights to do whatever we feel necessary to get more stuff and the more we're owed by society as well as government. The end justifies the means.

Is that what the majority believes? Does majority rule make it right?



Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:20:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jstbeliev

Do you realize how absolutely prejudiced you sound? hmmm....why don't you say what you really mean? Spit it out, why don't you? How do you really feel about the people of New Orleans? I mean, after all, isn't it the people -is what this rant is all about? Don't mince words, don't beat around the "bush", just tell us how you really feel....about the people....er...uh, about the looting...[8|]

Because to me, it sounds like you are saying, and I could be wrong, that because the majority of the victims in the New Orleans floods who happen to have been poor and black must be so ignorant and unworthy that all they had the desire to do was to "loot" and "complain". And the Midwesterns, majority are caucasion must not be poor and/or criminal minded? What a silly and unedifying post....just pitiful [8D]

May God bless your soul,


If you're talking to me, I don't know anyone in or from New Orleans. Therefore, I cannot comment on the character of everyone in the town.

Thank you for your blessing.



freakofnature -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:25:39 PM)

While I don't personally know Tracydolls and I don't want to excuse bad behavior, I will say that Tracydolls and I have had our little disagreements in the past and I can say with some realitive certainty to those of you who may be new here that Tracydolls is probably being a bit fecitious and sarcastic.

HOWEVER! Since we are on the subject. All natural disasters are horrific, having lived through some 4 major hurricanes here in Florida, I think I may know something of the subject. When Hurrican Charley Hit us, direct hit to my community BTW, we did not whine or complain to Bush to send FEMA. Neither, do I recall, the massive whining about Hurricanes Francis, Ivan and Jeanne, Oh, actually 5, I forgot about Wilma, anyway. There was not crying out for gvnmnt assitance, no Rush to blame anyone. I am not sure that FEMA didn't show up until probably 2 or 3 days later. I guess it was just what we expected. I think personal responsibility may have had more to do with it.

I suspect that the people of Iowa and the midwest may just have learned that FEMA and DHS, will get there when and if they get there and that it is better to support yourself than to wait for a beuracracy to get there act together.



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:26:53 PM)

I think that this is a racist statement and should be removed.

BTW--There are hard working black people in New Orleans as well as in Iowa.

Lord have mercy...SMH at people who call themselves Christians [&o]




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ORIGINAL: tracydolls


Katrina was poor, ignorant black folks, and in Cedar Rapids, it is hard working white folks.



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:28:13 PM)

Thank you, you're one of the few that seem to have some Godly wisdom and beautiful spirit of the Lord.



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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God

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My biggest beef is not with the media coverage as some like to make it. My big problem is the fact that we (as Americans) are still having to listen to people whine about how bad they had it with Katrina.


So you aren't upset with a "lack of fuss" for the Midwest floods, you are upset that people are still talking about Katrina? Well, people are still being affected from that flood. It was a much larger disaster. Have a heart.

And I think I've said three times now that there has been reports of looting in the Midwest. There are bad people all over the country, as well as good people.



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:32:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freakofnature

While I don't personally know Tracydolls and I don't want to excuse bad behavior, I will say that Tracydolls and I have had our little disagreements in the past and I can say with some realitive certainty to those of you who may be new here that Tracydolls is probably being a bit fecitious and sarcastic.

ME--Fecitious is just a word...and what she wrote wasn't cute or funny...it was just racist and even worse because it came from a believer.



Sophie11 -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:34:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jstbeliev

I think that this is a racist statement and should be removed.

BTW--There are hard working black people in New Orleans as well as in Iowa.

Lord have mercy...SMH at people who call themselves Christians [&o]


Well now, this is quite a strong statement to make. I suppose you never took into consideration that tracydolls might simply be being sarcastic. I asked and yet have gotten no response, but I don't mind waiting before I reply any farther. Maybe you ought to figure out the same thing before you fly off the handle and start accusing someone of merely "calling themself" a christian.



buckifn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:35:54 PM)

I can tell you from firsthand experience that losing one's home, irreplacable possessions, and sometimes even the life of a family member, neighbor, friend, etc due to flooding is a horrendous experience and leaves one feeling a deep loss but often no time for grieving.

It hurts me to see others suffer loss no matter the race location etc. Flashflooding destroyed everything my family possessed at one time and it changes your life forever.



freakofnature -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:40:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freakofnature

While I don't personally know Tracydolls and I don't want to excuse bad behavior, I will say that Tracydolls and I have had our little disagreements in the past and I can say with some realitive certainty to those of you who may be new here that Tracydolls is probably being a bit fecitious and sarcastic.

ME--Fecitious is just a word...and what she wrote wasn't cute or funny...it was just racist and even worse because it came from a believer.



jstbeliev:

Hey man, I know you are new but you'll have to learn to accept all kinds of personalities here and try, tough as it may be, try not to be judgemental before you know or have a least had a few weeks of discussions under your belt, those that participate in these forums. You will find alot of people, myself included, that tend to use sarcasm as a means of making a point. (word to the wise, if you are disturbed by sarcastic comments, try your darndest not to get confrontational with COW451, just a hint)



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:40:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn


If you're talking to me, I don't know anyone in or from New Orleans. Therefore, I cannot comment on the character of everyone in the town.

Thank you for your blessing.


ME--As you shouldn't comment on any character because it is just not the Godly thing to do. If you are truly "helping" with your church, then praise God, if you are making a difference, then worship God, if your parents have been spared, then thank the Living God instead of moaning and groaning. Your complaints here are not edifying to the saints of God nore does it glorify the Father Who is in heaven. What you have managed to do was create strife...look around. But more importantly, look inside yourself and inquire of God about why you feel the way you feel and allow Him to deal with it so that you can be constructive in your walk with the Lord and less destructive with your words that are not pleasing to the Lord.

God bless you,



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:44:22 PM)

I have been on plently of forums, thanks for the warning though. I have been actively participating on Christian forums for several years and can recognize and tell the difference between sarcasm and truth. You see it one way...I simply see it another.

God bless,



freakofnature -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 1:45:14 PM)

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You see it one way...I simply see it another


Exactly. So try to keep that in mind when responding!



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 2:20:31 PM)

I have...thanks



freakofnature -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 2:25:22 PM)

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I have...thanks


Bitting... My... Tongue... Oww, ahhh... ohhhh!

Starting... To... Bleed... a little...



jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 2:28:48 PM)

you're kind of funny

I've got a first-aid kit....I'll patch you right up [;)]



Butterflytearz -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 2:40:24 PM)

You know I think its getting to the point where we are all just dumbfounded. I mean between the hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, and floods , its just another day in paradise[&o]



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