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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/22/2008 9:19:01 PM
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how do I a 93 year old woman get to a shelter?
Where is this 93 year old woman's neighbors?
Where are this 93 year old woman's family?
Where is this 93 year old woman's church family?
Surely this 93 year old woman KNOWS someone that can help her out. Sometimes it takes LOCAL folks to step up and take care of their neighbors.
I have several elderly neighbors and I can assure you that if we were ordered to evacuate and they could not contact family members to help them or get out on their own we would be right there to help! They are our neighbors for crying out loud - just about family in my book!
In fact I would consider it not only unethical and completely cruel to leave my neighbors in need behind, I would see it as a sin. It would be so selfish of me to do such a thing!
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/22/2008 10:13:55 PM
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What shelters? The Dome? how do I a 93 year old woman get to a shelter?
Nagin- A repug turncoat, we already discussed Blanco. \
Since I live on the coast, I do know how the shelters operate when there is a mandatory evacuation. Other parts of the state that will not be in the path of the storm open their designated Red Cross Shelters. Churches open their doors for people to stay, community centers, schools, colleges, etc do likewise. Like I said, the state and locals knew that there was always a possibility of the city getting hit by a hurricane where the levees very well could fail. The people failed themselves when they did not plan or prepare ahead for the storms that could come. If you don't have transportation then you get together with others and find out the city's plan of evacuation. Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge and other coastal cities get their citizens out who don't have transportation. New Orleans had a trial run just one year before. There were some problems that were supposed to have been addressed. We got our elderly people out of harm's way with all of the evacuations with the policies and procedures that are in place state wide.
For the record, most of the local leaders in my city and area are democrats. It's not about republicans or democrats. It's about COMPETENCE. It's about using your God given common sense to know that you can't stay in n area below sea level when facing a Cat 5 hurricane. New Orleans KNEW what was up. They had resources to move people out of danger but they were ruined because of THE GROSS NEGLIGENCE OF Ray Nagin and KATHLEEN BLANKO. In a way Nagin's hands were tied because his authority was only in the city limits of New Orleans. Blanko failed in her duties period. There are no excuse for her utter incompetence.
The 93 year old should have had some family, friends or neighbors assisting her to leave if she was not able to on her own. Pooling resources is one method of being able to afford to leave for safety. If she had no family then the city should have had their buses running to haul people out of harm's way. All they had to do was shuttle people to Baton Rouge for pick up to other shelters in the state. It really isn't that hard. The sheriff's deputies go house to house here when an evacuation is called to make sure everyone is out. There are some who stay behind for various reasons and around here they are told up front they will be on their own because the emergency personnel have to go to their designated areas during the storms for their own safety.
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All of our number's will be up. Death has a 100% rate. How can a baby be responsible in a disaster? Or children? Or the elderly?
That is why God gave us families. If a baby or an elderly relative needs help it should first come from the parent or adult children. I had to evacuate with my elderly, wheel chair bound and oxygen dependent father for Lili. It was not easy but I was raised to take care of my family in times of hardship. Had I not been able to transport him to safety, remember I live near the coast I know all about mandatory evacuations, my father's home health agency made provisions. His nurse could not take care of her family until all of her patients were evacuated or had family taking them out of harm's way PER STATE LAW. This was prior to Katrina. They had his oxygen tanks filled, scheduled transportation to a shelter for medical needs and called me several times making sure he was taken care of. The Council on Aging also was providing assistance to those who need it.
When it's our time I agree that nothing will stop it but until then it pays to use the sense God gave us to take care of ourselves and others who need help.
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Go where , do what?, with what? Nobody seemed to be panicking, why should they?
Are you really that clueless? Seriously, anyone who has lived along the Gulf coast and New Orleans KNOWS that when the storms come you have to get out of the way.
It isn't about panicking but being prepared. I live on the other side of the state and kept my eye on the storm because hurricanes are known to turn at the last minute. ONCE again the city had a mandatory evacuation one year earlier with Hurricane Ivan. They evacuated people without money or family to designated shelters outside of the storm's path. The city and state leaders realized that about 300,000 people would need transportation assistance.
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Ok, where you running to, and when something hits that area, then where? How ya gonna keep working at a job from miles away?
We all are guilty of saying to ourselves: I would've, should've, could've, if that was me....etc.
Been there, done that. When a mandatory evacuation is called employers have to let their employees go. If the area is closed, then you don't have to return until it's opened unless you work for companies necessary for the recovery. There were a lot of refineries and plants that procured travel trailers, generators, food, etc so that the recovery could start as soon as the winds died down. When my area had the bullseye for Rita, at the time stronger than Katrina, I packed my work clothes and did a streamlined wardrobe so that if need be I could work elsewhere. I had family out of the strike zone where I stayed for a month until electricity was restored. Since God was gracious my home was spared even though three of my neighbors homes weren't. They had to be bulldozed. I guess it was because I would need to house other family members whose home was destroyed. My brother worked in one of the refineries where the eye made landfall and he and a whole slew of people worked in some horrible conditions in order to get the refinery back online. Since you live in Minnesota you should thank him and the many people who he worked with since his plant produced heating fuel.
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But as Christians we should what? Love...
I still feel sorry for Katrina victims, and they were VICTIMS of a natural and man made disaster.
I feel sorry for those along the river now.
I feel sorry for the typhoon that just hit Phillipines.
But I don't see one group as better, more whatever....
Those homeless from Katrina are just as homeless as those from floods.
The Church has been the shining light in all of this. I personally really love the Southern Baptist Disaster Relief Chain Saw crews. It has been almost three years since Katrina hit and for the most part people have gotten their lives back to some order. That is not always reported in the news. Part of the problem in all of this is the lack of understanding by some of the Katrina folks is that it takes time to recover. The larger the area the longer it takes. Had Rita not hit the other side of the state then the resources wouldn't have needed to be divided which would have allowed for a more speedy recovery. It didn't happen that way. We got hit just as hard with many poor people here but the attitude was different. The people here simply went back to what was left of their homes and picked up the pieces.
Katrina victims are the one's who think we all have to keep paying for what happened. I know many people who could not get any aid because this area wasn't hit by Katrina but Rita. Part of the animosity that has been expressed with the Katrina peeps has to do with the fact that they expect everyone to pay for their recovery when many others in similar disasters on a smaller scale have not gotten a penny of help.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/23/2008 1:19:04 AM
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And I say again why should we pay for homes that we know will get flooded again?
Why pay for anything that is built in an area where there are floods, fires, hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, mudslides, etc.?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/23/2008 2:20:57 AM
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Go where , do what?, with what? Nobody seemed to be panicking, why should they?
Are you really that clueless? Seriously, anyone who has lived along the Gulf coast and New Orleans KNOWS that when the storms come you have to get out of the way.
When storms come we all want to get out of the way, but we are not able to. Boy Scouts in Omaha, NE? Hugo, Mn? Tsumi, Typhoon, Cyclone, where do people run when storms hit, how can we all get out of the way of the storms? If we still complaining about Katrina, Will people help if a worse storm hits say California.
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The 93 year old should have had some family, friends or neighbors assisting her to leave if she was not able to on her own.
The storm happened in the richest country on the planet. If everybodies attitude is reflected on this thread, how will people get help from neighbor's?
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For the record, most of the local leaders in my city and area are democrats. It's not about republicans or democrats. It's about COMPETENCE. It's about using your God given common sense to know that you can't stay in n area below sea level when facing a Cat 5 hurricane. New Orleans KNEW what was up. They had resources to move people out of danger but they were ruined because of THE GROSS NEGLIGENCE OF Ray Nagin and KATHLEEN BLANKO. In a way Nagin's hands were tied because his authority was only in the city limits of New Orleans. Blanko failed in her duties period. There are no excuse for her utter incompetence.
And none for Bush either.
Bush is still responsible for this country. He can keep us safe from terrorist  but can't get to NO for 12 days?
And when he does show up he says: Brownie your doing a heck of a job!
He should still be embarrassed. I am for him. And this country. The
callousness and cold-hearts always amaze me.
Not all people in Katrina are sitting around waiting for a hand out.
I know 100's of Katrina victims, some were family. Do you got any links that show people still waiting on gov't help? I know some that were angry with $419 being paid for a whole house gone. Hoping the gov't would help make the insurance co. pay fairly, but I don't know of any still waiting for a fema check, do you?
And since you are so in control, and ahead of every storm you should run FEMA? Apply for Brownie's job. They sure could use you!
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/23/2008 8:01:30 AM
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And I say again why should we pay for homes that we know will get flooded again?
Why pay for anything that is built in an area where there are floods, fires, hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, mudslides, etc.?
Well so much for planet Earth! Let's all move to the moon. Oh wait! We can't grow corn on the moon. How will we get our clean burning biofuels to get around? Not that there is any atmoshphere to mess up there anyway! 
BTW, FYI the Mississippi River is one big fault line. Mississippi River Quake Threat
Add that to tornado and flood and it makes me glad that earthquakes and forest fires are all we have to worry about. (And the occasional El Nino phenomenom!)
Since the New Orleans port is vital. Why can't we spend the money to protect the city from another Katrina? Estimate to repair the levees are a little over 3/4 Billion ($778 Million by US Army C of E estimates). Now if we do it right and even spend 10 times that amount (800 Billion to 1 trillion) it's still 1/3 the cost of the Iraq war and this would truly protect the country directly; not to mention the jobs it would generate. This could be Bush's contribution to building up our country's infrastructure!
I know, I live in a dream world where our government works for us here instead of making sure everyone around the globe embraces the democracy we thrust in their faces. How long would it take us to wring 3 trillion worth of oil out of there anyway?
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/23/2008 11:01:26 AM
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Since the New Orleans port is vital. Why can't we spend the money to protect the city from another Katrina? Estimate to repair the levees are a little over 3/4 Billion ($778 Million by US Army C of E estimates). Now if we do it right and even spend 10 times that amount (800 Billion to 1 trillion) it's still 1/3 the cost of the Iraq war and this would truly protect the country directly; not to mention the jobs it would generate. This could be Bush's contribution to building up our country's infrastructure!
Didn't the liberals in NO spend their pre-katrina levee money on a shipping canal rather than the levees?
And if "the Mississippi River is one big fault line", a levee hundred feet tall won't insure that the NO houses built below sea level won't get flood again and you will have to take money out of my pocket fix the flooded homes again.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 8:00:53 AM
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My point is that there really aren't many places that you can build that would never be effected by natural devastation.
That is true but people can take responsibility to lessen damage or chances of damage. Not building in a flood plain is one thing they can do. You don't build below sea level next to the sea.
And while they look funny, Monolithic Dome homes are tornado, hurricane and fire resistant. And for floods, you don't build them on a flood plain.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 8:26:36 AM
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My point is that there really aren't many places that you can build that would never be effected by natural devastation.
That is true but people can take responsibility to lessen damage or chances of damage. Not building in a flood plain is one thing they can do. You don't build below sea level next to the sea.
And while they look funny, Monolithic Dome homes are tornado, hurricane and fire resistant. And for floods, you don't build them on a flood plain.
Don't tell that to the people in the Netherlands! They've been doing it successfully for hundreds of years! But they spent the money necessary to do it right. That will never happen in this country where every public works project is always subject to the take a short-cut to make a quick buck by contractors who IMO most are as ethical as politicians or lawyers.
My main point was to convey my disgust that our government both Dems and Reps seem more willing to spend millions to rebuild other countries infrastructures while neglecting our own!
And most people would rather literally die than live in a "safe" home!
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 9:29:49 AM
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When storms come we all want to get out of the way, but we are not able to. Boy Scouts in Omaha, NE? Hugo, Mn? Tsumi, Typhoon, Cyclone, where do people run when storms hit, how can we all get out of the way of the storms? If we still complaining about Katrina, Will people help if a worse storm hits say California.
Hurricanes are different from other natural disasters. People know ahead of time when they are going to strike. New Orleans has known about storms since its beginning and it has known about the potential for levee failure for as many years as there have been levees. The real problem I believe is that people are complaining about the attitude of a few who think they are owed. Those people who have the entitlement mentality brought that feeling on themselves when they were too busy looting everything not bolted down instead of getting to higher ground. Why didn't all of those obviously able bodied young men and women help out their older family members and neighbors? THAT is where many people got disgusted with New Orleans and their whining after the fact.
People have bent over backwards to help with Katrina, even to this day. Millions and millions of dollars are being donated by private organizations and people along with the other government funds to rebuild the city. Most of the citizens there are doing what they are supposed to be doing. The city is recovering but those who refused to do the hard work before, during and after are the primary one's still whining about things.
Most of the people who have gone through a disaster will most definitely be the first ones to give a helping hand when someone else is in need.
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The storm happened in the richest country on the planet. If everybodies attitude is reflected on this thread, how will people get help from neighbor's?
Again, this country is the most generous when it comes to helping others out. People have been giving above and beyond to help people out in these disasters. I’ve seen it firsthand.
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And none for Bush either.
Bush is still responsible for this country. He can keep us safe from terrorist but can't get to NO for 12 days?
And when he does show up he says: Brownie your doing a heck of a job!
He should still be embarrassed. I am for him. And this country. The
callousness and cold-hearts always amaze me.
This is where your thinking is backwards. The POTUS is not the ONLY one responsible for the people. He isn't a king. In this country we are responsible for ourselves first. The state and local government has more responsibility in these types of situations. Had the governor done HER job in activating the federal response first, then some things would not have been what they were. It's been THREE years. It's time for people to move on with their lives. There have been other major disasters since and those people are not whining about their equally hard ordeal.
As far as taking 12 days to get there, part of the problem was the fact that Secret Service overrides where the POTUS goes when the area is like a war zone. Perhaps if the gang bangers would have behaved themselves he could have gotten there sooner.
Brownie got the boot when it was obvious he wasn't up to the task. The replacements were excellent. I am embarrassed for you for not seeing the obvious glaring problem. I will say it because the behavior of New Orleans inner city welfare class has made the recovery in my part of the state harder due to their brash demands that the world pay for their losses in perpetuity. That same welfare class kept voting in the most crooked and incompetent leaders as long as they received their mere pittance. Unfortunately, the generations of dependence on crooked government leaders combined with the storm of the century exposed the rot that was there all along. Thank you Huey. 
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Not all people in Katrina are sitting around waiting for a hand out.
I know 100's of Katrina victims, some were family. Do you got any links that show people still waiting on gov't help? I know some that were angry with $419 being paid for a whole house gone. Hoping the gov't would help make the insurance co. pay fairly, but I don't know of any still waiting for a fema check, do you?
If you go back and read my posts I have mentioned that the majority of the people in New Orleans did what they were supposed to do before, during and after the storm. They prepared ahead of time, went back and started picking up the pieces of their lives. Many did not receive any funds from any agency because they were responsible enough to have insurance that did not pay out. I mentioned a friend who had well over $20,000 worth of damage and was paid $148 and another was paid $0 and told the damage was from “earth movement”. Yes the earth moved when all the trees fell on his property. This is where family, friends, non-profits and church groups have come in to lighten the burden for people dealing with the frustration of trying to get their homes repaired. In the days before insurance and FEMA communities and families used to help each other out. It made for stronger communities and families. That is one of the positives to come out of this mess.
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And since you are so in control, and ahead of every storm you should run FEMA? Apply for Brownie's job. They sure could use you!
As for me being prepared, it is part of life growing up along the gulf coast. My grandparents owned beach front property on Holly Beach when Audrey hit. My uncles were part of the recovery afterwards. What they saw and shared with us was unimaginable. The stories of the survivors made a huge impression on the people in this area. When you know people who lost every member of their family and only survived because they clung to the very top of a tree for over 16 hours during the brunt of a category 4 storm you learn the gravity of always being prepared. That was the most powerful June hurricane to ever make landfall.
The pictures of what Audrey did were similar to the tsunami pictures. My family still owns the property there so I was able to get in to see the utter destruction when Rita hit. My grandparents never rebuilt because they weren't going to waste money on something that was going to be wiped out again.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 10:00:21 AM
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And while they look funny, Monolithic Dome homes are tornado, hurricane and fire resistant. And for floods, you don't build them on a flood plain.
I agree with Denim. There is really no "safe" place anymore, I mean, we are in the end days. And how realistic is it really to buy one of those domed things, djv?
You don't put yourself in other's peoples' shoes. How easy it is for you to sit outside and judge those who in your words, should've "taken responsibility". Perhaps the people who live in homes below sea level live there because it was all that they could afford. Perhaps those homes fall into their budget. Perhaps they didn't have the option to choose an expensive house which may be above sea level. Perhaps they didn't have the option to "pick" a domed structure to repel all natural and man-made disasters. Perhaps they have lived there all of their lives and are proud people who thought that maybe that "storm" would pass as others had before because surely the state of Louisiana would not put thousands of people in danger of losing their lives but assured them that the levees would withstand.
Think about the people...the people, then pray for them as Jesus would do.
as Sis Tracie has stated it is about all of the victims. We need to quit whining, complaining and blaming, and begin praying...for real. Just typical desert drama going on here. Are you pleasing the LORD? Or are you groaning? Ask yourself, would God be pleased with my words? With my life? With my walk? Do my words edify or cause division? Am I pointing people to Christ or pointing out things that are happening in the world? The original poster mad because some people didn't get the attention had in NO? Really? Other folks mad because she felt people shouldn't have been living in their homes in the first place? Really? I look around this world, the chaos, destruction, death, torture and all we believers can do is whine....while people are sleeping in their cars after Indy's tornadoes because they have no other place to go. Shelters are filled to capacity and are not really safe. Pray, those who are saints, just....pray....its time for the real soldiers of God to stand up and intercede...I mean those who are concerned about the souls of men.....in Jesus Blessed and Holy name.....
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 10:44:39 AM
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You don't put yourself in other's peoples' shoes. How easy it is for you to sit outside and judge those who in your words, should've "taken responsibility". Perhaps the people who live in homes below sea level live there because it was all that they could afford. Perhaps those homes fall into their budget. Perhaps they didn't have the option to choose an expensive house which may be above sea level.
Of course, I put myself in other's shoes or more correctly my shoes. I wouldn't consider myself rich.
If my family's home was in a flood plain and it became my home, I might have to live in a flood plain. Most that got flooded chose to buy or build in a flood plain because they wanted to be next to a river. There have been many towns that the entire town moved to higher ground.
And in the New Orleans, I don't think only the rich live on the high ground.
And the borders of New Orleans could change to include more high ground.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 10:54:45 AM
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And the borders of New Orleans could change to include more high ground.
You haven't been to New Orleans then have you? The metro areas that didn't flood are more heavily populated than New Orleans Proper. They are also cities in their own right that are incorporated with their own "functioning" governments.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 1:08:40 PM
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I wouldn't consider myself rich.
ME--in that above...you have said correctly. For there are many of us that are not rich according to the word of God. As for me, I would rather be spiritually rich than earthly rich where material things rust and fade. But to be spiritually rich is to have an understanding of those suffering around me, to be compassionate without laying cause but on the contrary...likened to Jesus, Who is the King of kings, stretch forth my hand to help...just simply...help, as I pray.
So the question is...why is blaming so much more easier?
BTW--I doubt any one person who decided to build their house on sand, mud, dirt, etc., had an insane notion to just watch their house crumble; fly away or become flooded. Because they surely didn't really want their keepsakes of the old photographs, writings and letters, surely that jewelry handed down throughout generations was just a bother to keep? Surely all the money put into the house was not for future generations but a temporary thing? I suggest that you read the words of Christ and learn how to become a good Samaritan. This is pleasing to God.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 1:20:54 PM
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I will tell you a secret, when you are facing down a Cat 5 storm and limited time, space and funds to get out of the way the things don't matter. It's just stuff. Your family, friends, neighbors, people and pets do. A lot of people learned that the fewer things you own makes the clean up afterwards a whole lot easier.
I think what got to people about Katrina was the breakdown of civility. The massive looting did not help to endear the real needs to people outside the area. Many from the area knew it would happen the way it happened. Sheriff Harry Lee point blank said that he would shoot looters before the storm hit. Looting other people's possessions is just not something civilized people do after a disaster. One reason why many people stayed behind was to protect their property from the looters. When Rita hit here our LEO's had just returned from NOLA and there was a no tolerance rule put in place because they wanted people to evacuate. The few stupid looters here found out that the conditions in the jails wasn't worth the little bit they stole from others. There was no electricity, sewer, running water, hot food and it was very hot and humid.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 1:36:23 PM
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I think what got to people about Katrina was the breakdown of civility.
That's what got me.
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 1:53:55 PM
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I think what got to people about Katrina was the breakdown of civility.
That's what got me.
I wasn't too surprised that it happened the way it happened but it would have been nice to have been proven wrong. I think everyone in charge knew what would happen in a way after the Super Dome was vandalized after Hurricane Georges in 1998. The actions of a few ruin it for the majority.
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right but the heart of the fool to the left.
Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 2:14:49 PM
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tracydolls
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I think what got to people about Katrina was the breakdown of civility. The massive looting did not help to endear the real needs to people outside the area. Many from the area knew it would happen the way it happened. Sheriff Harry Lee point blank said that he would shoot looters before the storm hit. Looting other people's possessions is just not something civilized people do after a disaster. One reason why many people stayed behind was to protect their property from the looters. When Rita hit here our LEO's had just returned from NOLA and there was a no tolerance rule put in place because they wanted people to evacuate. The few stupid looters here found out that the conditions in the jails wasn't worth the little bit they stole from others. There was no electricity, sewer, running water, hot food and it was very hot and humid.
Show me where there was MASSIVE looting. Please, the cops were more worried about a few TV"s than helping people.
Remeber the Yahoo story, white people surviving by taking food and black people looting by taking same bread.
Why are people so concerned about stuff, like you said?
That was failure from Bush and the rest. The crying shame to me was to watch black people get dogs and guns drawn on them by Lee.
But you know one thing about NO, I learned, what people use for evil,
G-d turns to good.
I hope they build condos and high priced buildings on that land now.
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Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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RE: No fuss about flooding? - 6/24/2008 6:14:28 PM
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StephK
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Proof positive that God and God alone is in complete control. I was just reading this morning "as the heavens is higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts".