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CherishedbyGod -> Mary Magdalene (6/14/2008 8:00:46 PM)
Some people think she is the woman that anointed the feet Of Jesus in Simon's house and others don't. Would anyone like to share with me their thoughts as to whether or not it was her? If you think it was her, please give me your reasons.... Thanx

makarizo -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/14/2008 10:37:43 PM)
Joh 12:1 Jesus, therefore, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. Joh 12:2 So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. Joh 12:3 Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. I don't know why someone would think that it was Mary Magdalene. Seems pretty clear which Mary was washing His feet.

ta_mosquito -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/14/2008 11:20:56 PM)
Doer - that was at Lazarus' house, not at Simon's.

LCannon -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 12:32:25 AM)
Probably two different situations(for my money). Lazarus/Mary/Martha apparently had significant resources to use their(her)ointment bathe his feet. Mary Magdalene(the 'other' Mary)was someway an outcast(leper? harlot?) because the Jews scolded her(and him)for her association her.

BerianAardvark -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 1:31:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LCannon Probably two different situations(for my money). Lazarus/Mary/Martha apparently had significant resources to use their(her)ointment bathe his feet. Mary Magdalene(the 'other' Mary)was someway an outcast(leper? harlot?) because the Jews scolded her(and him)for her association her. The ONLY thing that scripture says about Mary Magdalene's past is that Jesus cast out seven demons from her, never is it recorded that she was in any way an outcast...indeed she was one of three women mentioned who were following Jesus and supporting His ministry with her substance. (Which would have giver her high status among His followers) [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. (Mark 16:9) and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others who were contributing to their support out of their private means. (Luke 8:2-3) Being demon possessed would make you an outcast while you were possessed, but (in that day and culture) once the demons were cast out, what you had done then was not held against you From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: It is not to be forgotten that the malady demon-possession, according to New Testament ideas had none of the implications of evil temper and malignant disposition popularly associated with “having a devil.” The possessed was, by our Lord and the disciples looked upon as diseased, the victim of an alien and evil power, not an accomplice of it. The woman of Luke 7 is carefully covered with the concealing cloak of namelessness. Undoubtedly known by name to the intimate circle of first disciples, it is extremely doubtful whether she was so known to Luke. Her history is definitely closed at Luke 7:50. The name of Mary is found at the beginning of a totally new section of the Gospel where the name of Mary is introduced with a single mark of identification, apart from her former residence, which points away from the preceding narrative and is incompatible with it. If the preceding account of the anointing were Mary's introduction into the circle of Christ's followers, she could not be identified by the phrase of Luke. Jesus did not cast a demon out of the sinful woman of Luke 7, and Mary of Magdala is not represented as having anointed the Lord's feet. The two statements cannot be fitted together. Tim

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 12:58:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito Doer - that was at Lazarus' house, not at Simon's. There are so many Mary's mentioned, it can get quite confusing[;)] The one I read the other day was that Mary, the mother of Jesus had a sister named Mary, also....that surprised me. Some Jewish custom, I imagine, that we strange Westeners don't know about...

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 1:29:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark The ONLY thing that scripture says about Mary Magdalene's past is that Jesus cast out seven demons from her, never is it recorded that she was in any way an outcast...indeed she was one of three women mentioned who were following Jesus and supporting His ministry with her substance. (Which would have giver her high status among His followers) I don't quite agree with this. Here it indicates she was delivered of demons and healed of infirmities. They are listed as two separate things as they are elsewhere: And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils Luke 8:2 The word infirmities can mean moral weakness. If she was involved in some sort of questionable behaviour, she would have been treated as an outcast. Please note I highlighted the word "if"[;)]

BerianAardvark -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 1:51:09 PM)
quote: I don't quite agree with this. Here it indicates she was delivered of demons and healed of infirmities. They are listed as two separate things as they are elsewhere: And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils Luke 8:2 Healed of infirmities, which would be sickness...it that culture being demon possessed was considered to be an infirmity, not as a sin which would require forgiveness. An equally accurate translation could be rendered delivered from demons OR healed of infirmities. It is helpful to note that the woman in Luke seven was referred to as a sinner, NOT a demoniac....there is no direct reference to Mary's sin, but there IS a direct reference to her having been demon possessed. The specific cause for gratitude of the woman in Luke 7 was stated as forgiveness of her sins.....the specific cause for the gratitude of Mary Magdalene was the casting out of seven demons that had afflicted her...two different specific causes for gratitude...two different women. Tim

BerianAardvark -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 1:56:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod quote: ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito Doer - that was at Lazarus' house, not at Simon's. There are so many Mary's mentioned, it can get quite confusing[;)] The one I read the other day was that Mary, the mother of Jesus had a sister named Mary, also....that surprised me. Some Jewish custom, I imagine, that we strange Westeners don't know about... Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. (John 19:25) How about four women there 1 Mary Jesus' mother, 2 His mother's sister, 3 Mary the wife of Clopas, 4 Mary Magdalene? This makes much more sense, and does not call for an alteration of scripture. As far as any research I can uncover shows, it was never the custom for parents to have two children with the same given name. Tim

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 3:38:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod quote: ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito Doer - that was at Lazarus' house, not at Simon's. There are so many Mary's mentioned, it can get quite confusing[;)] The one I read the other day was that Mary, the mother of Jesus had a sister named Mary, also....that surprised me. Some Jewish custom, I imagine, that we strange Westeners don't know about... Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. (John 19:25) How about four women there 1 Mary Jesus' mother, 2 His mother's sister, 3 Mary the wife of Clopas, 4 Mary Magdalene? This makes much more sense, and does not call for an alteration of scripture. As far as any research I can uncover shows, it was never the custom for parents to have two children with the same given name. Tim I must have not have noticed the comma[;)] I will go back and re-read it.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/15/2008 3:45:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark quote: I don't quite agree with this. Here it indicates she was delivered of demons and healed of infirmities. They are listed as two separate things as they are elsewhere: And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils Luke 8:2 Healed of infirmities, which would be sickness...it that culture being demon possessed was considered to be an infirmity, not as a sin which would require forgiveness. An equally accurate translation could be rendered delivered from demons OR healed of infirmities. It is helpful to note that the woman in Luke seven was referred to as a sinner, NOT a demoniac....there is no direct reference to Mary's sin, but there IS a direct reference to her having been demon possessed. The specific cause for gratitude of the woman in Luke 7 was stated as forgiveness of her sins.....the specific cause for the gratitude of Mary Magdalene was the casting out of seven demons that had afflicted her...two different specific causes for gratitude...two different women. Tim While I agree they probably are two different women, I do not necessarily agree that Mary's infirmity and being set free from demon possession are the same. Infirmities can also mean moral weakness.....and the fact that they are listed separately makes me think that she had some sort of infirmity aside from her demon possession, whether it was physical or moral, I do not know. I don't believe one can prove it either way[8\|]

Bluethread -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/16/2008 6:59:15 PM)
Miriam which was translated Mary in the Apistolic Scriptures was an extremely common name, in honor of Miriam the sister of Moshe(Moses). Therefore, unless there is a clear link between the various passages, I am reluctant to draw any conclusions regarding their refering to the same person.

BibleL7 -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/17/2008 5:01:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod quote: ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark The ONLY thing that scripture says about Mary Magdalene's past is that Jesus cast out seven demons from her, never is it recorded that she was in any way an outcast...indeed she was one of three women mentioned who were following Jesus and supporting His ministry with her substance. (Which would have giver her high status among His followers) I don't quite agree with this. Here it indicates she was delivered of demons and healed of infirmities. They are listed as two separate things as they are elsewhere: And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils Luke 8:2 The word infirmities can mean moral weakness. If she was involved in some sort of questionable behaviour, she would have been treated as an outcast. Please note I highlighted the word "if"[;)] I think in looking again in context the secret of verse 2 to look at is that the beginning of it says WOMEN plural if you continue on to verse 3 you will find other women named. Therefore healed of infirmities could be speaking about some of them. As to OP you need to look at the factor that Mary Magdalene was one of the women who supported the ministry and disciples out of her substance. Therefore she would have had some amount of wealth and would not necessarily be looked down on by society. The woman in Simons house was of poor reputation it would seem as Simon knew of her poor reputation. Of course the multible Marys has been explained very well by bluethread. All accounts of Mary Magdalene refer to her by name and being of Magdala or Magdalene it appears all of the disciples held respect for her for she probably helped much after having the demons cast out of her. She has been called many things by different people in past but the Bible seems to only state that 7 demons were cast out of her, and that she supported the ministry and her presence at the cross as well as the tomb on resurection day. Hope this makes sence or helps.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/17/2008 5:47:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BibleL7 As to OP you need to look at the factor that Mary Magdalene was one of the women who supported the ministry and disciples out of her substance. Therefore she would have had some amount of wealth and would not necessarily be looked down on by society. The woman in Simons house was of poor reputation it would seem as Simon knew of her poor reputation. Of course the multible Marys has been explained very well by bluethread. All accounts of Mary Magdalene refer to her by name and being of Magdala or Magdalene it appears all of the disciples held respect for her for she probably helped much after having the demons cast out of her. She has been called many things by different people in past but the Bible seems to only state that 7 demons were cast out of her, and that she supported the ministry and her presence at the cross as well as the tomb on resurection day. Hope this makes sence or helps. It both makes sense and it helps. Thank you, so much, and thank all of you that took the time to reply. Some of you know I am writing a Bible Study for women. My next "character" study was going to be Mary Magdalene and I had no plan of writing about the women who was a sinner. As a result of the Holy Spirit's leading, this thread and my further research now we are going to study both of them... May fruit abound to the accounts of all that helped me! Some prayer for my endeavor would be wonderful, also[;)]

phyl2 -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 12:28:04 AM)
Just a question to add into the mix ... would a person be inhabited by seven demons if they had not been involved in particularly sinful behavior at some point?

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 12:32:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: phyl2 Just a question to add into the mix ... would a person be inhabited by seven demons if they had not been involved in particularly sinful behavior at some point? Hmmm...good point and one I had forgotten Thanx!

BerianAardvark -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 3:59:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: phyl2 Just a question to add into the mix ... would a person be inhabited by seven demons if they had not been involved in particularly sinful behavior at some point? Possibly, but even as today someone who is mentally ill is not considered to be responsible for their behavior, someone who was demon ossessed would not have been considered culpable. She would have been looked upon as an unfortunate victim of the possession whatever she might have done, and called demoniac rather than sinner. Tim

rcjames -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 8:15:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark ...who were following Jesus and supporting His ministry with her substance. (Which would have giver her high status among His followers)... How do you conclude that the followers would give "HIgh status" to someone who dropped some money in the till. Doesn't that assumption go against many teaching of the New Testament. Thsnks RC

BerianAardvark -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 9:36:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: BerianAardvark ...who were following Jesus and supporting His ministry with her substance. (Which would have giver her high status among His followers)... How do you conclude that the followers would give "HIgh status" to someone who dropped some money in the till. Doesn't that assumption go against many teaching of the New Testament. Thsnks RC The disciples, well three of them at least, were frequently arguing about who would be the greatest in the Kingdom, doesn't that go against the teaching of the New Testament. I was pointing out (to someone who had said that Mary Magdalene had been an object of scorn to the followers) that they were unlikely to heap derision on one who was supporting the ministry. I didn't mean to infer that it effected her her status with Jesus. Tim

DaveW -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 9:53:21 AM)
About the only thing we know is where she was from: Magdala.

phyl2 -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 11:45:06 AM)
quote: About the only thing we know is where she was from: Magdala. And that Jesus tossed seven demons out of her. And that she was the first to see the risen Christ. But, I was not talking about what she did while demon possessed. CAN a demon enter a devout follower of God who makes every effort to walk in the paths of righteousness? Doesn't a person have to engage in some kind of activity that invites a demon to enter? I do not intend to take the thread off topic and into the topic of demon possession. I'm just saying we can't assume she was a person of high standing before her encounter with Jesus. We don't know that she was the sinful woman who washed Jesus' feet. We do now that she was someone who was changed and transformed by the power of God, His love, and His grace.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 1:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: phyl2 And that she was the first to see the risen Christ. I know I should not speculate. However, I often wonder why she was the one who was the first to see the risen Christ Sometimes I wonder if she was more needy than others. By that I mean, she must have been quite the "basket case" when she was possessed by 7 demons. Can we imagine? How horrible! And then when her Jesus was taken away, how desperate she must have been! Look at the way she clung to Him after He revealed Himself to her.... Again, speculation but I think of these things when I study these stories. Maybe it was to humble those fishermen[;)]

BerianAardvark -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 1:38:06 PM)
quote: phyl2: About the only thing we know is where she was from: Magdala. And that Jesus tossed seven demons out of her. And that she was the first to see the risen Christ. and that she was at the cross at the crucifixion (Matthew 27:55-56) and at the tomb when Joseph put him there. (Matthew 27:59-61) Which is more than we know about most of the Apostles. Tim

phyl2 -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/18/2008 11:21:25 PM)
quote: I know I should not speculate. However, I often wonder why she was the one who was the first to see the risen Christ Perhaps because she was faithful. The disciples scattered. She did not.

BibleL7 -> RE: Mary Magdalene (6/19/2008 12:05:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod quote: ORIGINAL: phyl2 And that she was the first to see the risen Christ. I know I should not speculate. However, I often wonder why she was the one who was the first to see the risen Christ Sometimes I wonder if she was more needy than others. By that I mean, she must have been quite the "basket case" when she was possessed by 7 demons. Can we imagine? How horrible! And then when her Jesus was taken away, how desperate she must have been! Look at the way she clung to Him after He revealed Himself to her.... Again, speculation but I think of these things when I study these stories. Maybe it was to humble those fishermen[;)] Perhaps the reason would more be in her heart for the Lord I mean look at what she said when she thought Jesus to be the gardner she was willing to take His body away not necesarrily easy seeing as a dead body is much harder to move particularly for a woman by herself.

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