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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 8:03:07 PM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 8:17:22 PM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
John
You- talking about bashing in babies heads or along those lines.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 9:03:47 PM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
John
You- talking about bashing in babies heads or along those lines.
If that's too much for people I suggest they stay away... I am ot going to pretend that what goes on in regards to abortion is a warm fuzzy puppy...
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 9:20:05 PM
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Nope... I was lumping those who seek aboritons with those who perform them...
OK, I have to comment on this, is lying to a mother to be (abortionists) but then Christians judging them the right thing to do?
Another thing I want to mention, back when the first abortion clinic murders happened in Boston back in 1994, the pro-life movement got 2 black eyes:
1-Because the atmosphere that ones blocking abortion clinics caused an environment of excitement and then violence.
2-When the group that was protesting at Abortion Clinics was asked what they thought of the murders, the leader was quite calloused saying something to the effect that it was sad that it happened, but babies get murdered everyday. At least one good Christian talk show showed much more sympathy for the whole situation, which I was happy for.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 9:34:24 PM
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OK, I have to comment on this, is lying to a mother to be (abortionists) but then Christians judging them the right thing to do?
Are you asking if it's ok to judge those who have been fooled into having an aboriton?
And if so, is there a reason why you speaking in regads to small number of folks?
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Another thing I want to mention, back when the first abortion clinic murders happened in Boston back in 1994, the pro-life movement got 2 black eyes:
Murder is wrong... Even against those who murder... The state should put those who murder the uborn on trial and punish them... The fact it sanctions the murder of the unborn make them very responisble as well...
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1-Because the atmosphere that ones blocking abortion clinics caused an environment of excitement and then violence.
The foundation of the violence is found in where they murder the unborn children in cold blood for profit... I won't say that some out there blocking the clinic didn't add some to the pot, but anyone who thinks that the murder 3500 unborn children daily in the US doesn't add to the lack of regard for life is dumber than Forest Gump...
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2-When the group that was protesting at Abortion Clinics was asked what they thought of the murders, the leader was quite calloused saying something to the effect that it was sad that it happened, but babies get murdered everyday. At least one good Christian talk show showed much more sympathy for the whole situation, which I was happy for.
While I don't support the murder of anyone, even those who murder the unborn for profit, it don't have any more sympathy for them than I do for those who make a living off death and pay the price for it...
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 10:21:36 PM
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OK, I have to comment on this, is lying to a mother to be (abortionists) but then Christians judging them the right thing to do?
Are you asking if it's ok to judge those who have been fooled into having an aboriton?
And if so, is there a reason why you speaking in regads to small number of folks?
Actually, the number is far greater than that. I have heard personal testimonies from women who are confused, want to keep the baby, etc.
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Another thing I want to mention, back when the first abortion clinic murders happened in Boston back in 1994, the pro-life movement got 2 black eyes:
Murder is wrong... Even against those who murder... The state should put those who murder the uborn on trial and punish them... The fact it sanctions the murder of the unborn make them very responisble as well...
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1-Because the atmosphere that ones blocking abortion clinics caused an environment of excitement and then violence.
The foundation of the violence is found in where they murder the unborn children in cold blood for profit... I won't say that some out there blocking the clinic didn't add some to the pot, but anyone who thinks that the murder 3500 unborn children daily in the US doesn't add to the lack of regard for life is dumber than Forest Gump...
So we should be indifferent when someone gets murdered if it is outside the womb then?
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2-When the group that was protesting at Abortion Clinics was asked what they thought of the murders, the leader was quite calloused saying something to the effect that it was sad that it happened, but babies get murdered everyday. At least one good Christian talk show showed much more sympathy for the whole situation, which I was happy for.
While I don't support the murder of anyone, even those who murder the unborn for profit, it don't have any more sympathy for them than I do for those who make a living off death and pay the price for it...
John
We should mourn anyone who is murdered, either by abortion or in cold blood. Our reaction should be the same regardless of how it happens.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 11:29:16 PM
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Actually, the number is far greater than that. I have heard personal testimonies from women who are confused, want to keep the baby, etc.
Greater than what? The majority of abortions are not due to confused women who want to keep the child...
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Another thing I want to mention, back when the first abortion clinic murders happened in Boston back in 1994, the pro-life movement got 2 black eyes:
Murder is wrong... Even against those who murder... The state should put those who murder the uborn on trial and punish them... The fact it sanctions the murder of the unborn make them very responisble as well...
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1-Because the atmosphere that ones blocking abortion clinics caused an environment of excitement and then violence.
The foundation of the violence is found in where they murder the unborn children in cold blood for profit... I won't say that some out there blocking the clinic didn't add some to the pot, but anyone who thinks that the murder 3500 unborn children daily in the US doesn't add to the lack of regard for life is dumber than Forest Gump...
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So we should be indifferent when someone gets murdered if it is outside the womb then?
You spoke of the violence stemming from what went on outside the place where children are murdered for profit, I simply made the point that I believe the violence stems far more from within... You know, where violence is daily and very brutal...
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We should mourn anyone who is murdered, either by abortion or in cold blood. Our reaction should be the same regardless of how it happens.
You can mourn for those who profit from murder, I just can't... You are a better person than I...
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About 50,000,000 children have been murdered for profit... How many folks have been murdered on the other side?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 11:33:12 PM
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Greater than what? The majority of abortions are not due to confused women who want to keep the child...
Do you have any articles to back up this claim specifically? And I am not talking the majority, I am talking the confused teenager or young adult instead.
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You can mourn for those who profit from murder, I just can't... You are a better person than I...
You should mourn the babies who die at their hands, not the abortionists.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/16/2008 11:34:19 PM
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Nope... I was lumping those who seek abortions with those who perform them...
OK, I have to comment on this, is lying to a mother to be (abortionists) but then Christians judging them the right thing to do?
Another thing I want to mention, back when the first abortion clinic murders happened in Boston back in 1994, the pro-life movement got 2 black eyes:
1-Because the atmosphere that ones blocking abortion clinics caused an environment of excitement and then violence.
2-When the group that was protesting at Abortion Clinics was asked what they thought of the murders, the leader was quite calloused saying something to the effect that it was sad that it happened, but babies get murdered everyday. At least one good Christian talk show showed much more sympathy for the whole situation, which I was happy for.
Groups like that can give us pro-lifers a bad reputation. I'm glad the radio station was able to do some good.
Sovereign - how much time have to spent with those who have had or might possibly have an abortion?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 12:10:06 AM
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And I am not talking the majority, I am talking the confused teenager or young adult instead.
What about them?
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You should mourn the babies who die at their hands, not the abortionists.
I don't morn murdered abortionists...
John
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 12:11:06 AM
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Sovereign - how much time have to spent with those who have had or might possibly have an abortion?
What does it matter? If the whole world ignored me would that give me just cause to do something wrong? No...
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 12:18:09 AM
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Sovereign - how much time have to spent with those who have had or might possibly have an abortion?
What does it matter? If the whole world ignored me would that give me just cause to do something wrong? No...
John
Just curious. Many times when a person takes a really strong stand, they either have had a very personal experience or they don't know nearly as much about the situation as they think they do. Of course you don't have to answer if you don't want to. I would prefer that you let me know that you don't want to answer so that I don't think you've blocked me or ignored me.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 1:36:02 AM
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the leader was quite calloused saying something to the effect that it was sad that it happened, but babies get murdered everyday.
Typical America.
Anything that becomes the norm is "OK", thereby making excuses for such atrocities.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 1:42:00 AM
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the leader was quite calloused saying something to the effect that it was sad that it happened, but babies get murdered everyday.
Typical America.
Anything that becomes the norm is "OK", thereby making excuses for such atrocities.
Who said it was OK?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 1:44:56 AM
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Whomever made the statement "... but babies get murdered everyday."
That's much like saying, "A baby gets killed everyday. Why should we care if more get killed everyday?"
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 9:04:25 AM
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I have heard personal testimonies from women who are confused, want to keep the baby, etc.
First of all, I don't think anyone can really be "fooled" into having an abortion...unless they're mentally handicapped in a serious way. I don't think that would account for more than one-tenth of half a percent of abortions, anyway.
More importantly, many would "use" that excuse, I'm sure. It's an old one...Eve was probably confused in the garden...Lot was confused...Esau was confused...David was confused...etc, ad nauseum. But God doesn't ignore sins by committed during times of confusion!
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 10:34:26 AM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
John
You- talking about bashing in babies heads or along those lines.
If that's too much for people I suggest they stay away... I am ot going to pretend that what goes on in regards to abortion is a warm fuzzy puppy...
John
I'm just glad that Jesus doesn't handle it that way.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 1:03:21 PM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
John
You- talking about bashing in babies heads or along those lines.
If that's too much for people I suggest they stay away... I am ot going to pretend that what goes on in regards to abortion is a warm fuzzy puppy...
John
I'm just glad that Jesus doesn't handle it that way.
Will you please explain what you mean by this?
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 1:51:46 PM
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CCCdnt, I checked out the link you provided. Very enlightening! I really don't think anyone who is pro-abortion (at any point during gestation) would even have the guts to look at this. If they did, they would have to lie to continue to support abortion!
http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-case.html
Thanks for the education!
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 7:47:15 PM
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Sovereign - how much time have to spent with those who have had or might possibly have an abortion?
What does it matter? If the whole world ignored me would that give me just cause to do something wrong? No...
John
Just curious. Many times when a person takes a really strong stand, they either have had a very personal experience or they don't know nearly as much about the situation as they think they do. Of course you don't have to answer if you don't want to. I would prefer that you let me know that you don't want to answer so that I don't think you've blocked me or ignored me.
Many times posts like this are nothing but an attempt to smear a person because people don't agree with them...
John
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 9:28:31 PM
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LOL ConstantReader, I admire you for actually having the guts to post that song! And for those who do not know, it is a satire, and just showing that just because someone is against abortion doesn't mean that they are a Christian at all or will do the right thing either.
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And I am not talking the majority, I am talking the confused teenager or young adult instead.
What about them?
They are the ones who need support and not be coerced into getting an abortion.
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You should mourn the babies who die at their hands, not the abortionists.
I don't morn murdered abortionists...
John
Well I was talking about aborted babies in particular, however abortionists are lost too, and God cares about them also.
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I have heard personal testimonies from women who are confused, want to keep the baby, etc.
First of all, I don't think anyone can really be "fooled" into having an abortion...unless they're mentally handicapped in a serious way. I don't think that would account for more than one-tenth of half a percent of abortions, anyway.
More importantly, many would "use" that excuse, I'm sure. It's an old one...Eve was probably confused in the garden...Lot was confused...Esau was confused...David was confused...etc, ad nauseum. But God doesn't ignore sins by committed during times of confusion!
Well, maybe not, however a woman (and man) could be confused as to whether it is really a human being or not.
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 9:35:29 PM
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If possible, can you steer clear of the red herrings for just a minute?
Ah... Cute little debate terms... The end is near...
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One moment, we're discussing abortion; the next, Jesus murdered, and the thieves on the cross too. Focus. Stay on-topic.
You didn't seem able to discern what the difference between justice and vengeance so I gave you a clear example....
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We're not discussing "the state justly putting to death yada yada"--I'm not sure why you brought this into the conversation, except perhaps you know you're losing the argument, and have to resort to red herrings to try to refute my points. 
What points have you made?
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Since you couldn't refute my previous supposition that vengeance is wrong,
Nobody is debating if vengeance wrong, that's a given , yet you don't seem to know what it is...
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I take this as an indicator that you approve of fanatical tactics to oppose abortionists and their clinics. God have mercy on your soul.
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And how far will you "stand between the murder and the victim," John?
Stand... You wouldn't stand between death and a child?
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What can you do about it? Are you going to physically assault a pregnant woman seeking an abortion, thereby causing her to miscarry?
Since you are making things up why not make more nasty than that...
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Wouldn't that be murder of an unborn child?
I would think so... Would you?
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If so, that would make you a quantum hypocrite. 
Yes, and that of course is one of the many reason why I wouldn't do it...
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I think Roland Stephen Taylor has a bone to pick with you, bub:
Since I haven't called for nor do I advocate doing what he did he can enjoy his bone all by himself...
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RE: Abortion-Pro life or Pro-Choice? - 7/17/2008 9:41:41 PM
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I guess the thing that I don't get is why the graphic descriptions are needed. There are women in this thread who've stated that they had abortions and are truly repentive. Why do we need to remind them of what they did?
If they are truly repentive the truth shouldn't bother them...
And for clarification what "graphic descriptions" are you speaking of?
John
You- talking about bashing in babies heads or along those lines.
If that's too much for people I suggest they stay away... I am ot going to pretend that what goes on in regards to abortion is a warm fuzzy puppy...
John
I'm just glad that Jesus doesn't handle it that way.
You think Jesus would ignore the truth and paint a picture that covers the truth? We are not talking about a running nose here... If this were about the evil going on in the Sudan would it suffice to simply say some bad people are acting out and should be stopped?
John
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