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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 11:42:17 AM
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SavedByGraceMD
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Can I call you Michael?
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Certainly, although I prefer Mike.
I must apologize to you Mike. I too just started using your first name like I knew you, and maybe that made this more personal than it has to be. Also being a Mike, I just have always felt a connection with other Mikes.
But how about Mikey, don't you hate when people call you that. I do, makes me feel like I am 5 years old.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 11:44:08 AM
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SavedByGraceMD
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What harm would come to you spiritually if you said I believe in Jesus?
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You mean now? None-- I just couldn't really mean it.
And I would say unless you really mean it, you shouldn't be saying it.
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Isaiah 41:10
"Fear not for I am with you,
Do not be dismayed for I am your God,
I will strengthen you and help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand"
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 11:55:14 AM
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Was this taught to you and you tried to build a life of faith on it?
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No, and no. I learned it by myself, and now I have replaced faith with reason.
For me I have replaced reason with faith, because it is through my faith that I see the reason.
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"Fear not for I am with you,
Do not be dismayed for I am your God,
I will strengthen you and help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand"
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 12:12:02 PM
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Mike,
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From the time I was very young. At age 11, I accepted Christ personally.
Can I ask what age did you stop believing?
What Church?
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Can I ask what do you believe at this time about how we we're created?
If we are special creations at all, the creation process is via evolution .
Ok Thanks. May I suggest that you look at images of flowers? Can you get to a garden? Not wanting to go into a debate about Evolution. I'll leave there for now.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 12:50:22 PM
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….. But who are these folks who have the straight teaching that I must get under my belt?
I'll tell you: they all do. Just ask them. They all have the real deal right there in their particular organization or denomination. Everyone else is wrong, you know. The Holy Spirit graced only those select folks of that particular set of doctrines with the truth.
You see, it turns out that God is a respecter of persons, and the Holy Spirit does not lead all Christians into all truth, and apparently Christ did not truly want all of his followers to be one.
Check it out:
HERE
The difference between you and this would be what?
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The difference between you and this would be what?
ORIGINAL: 1dblthnk02
I am me, not the people you quoted.
Sorry that reply went over my head; I don't understand --- refresh my old memory, who or what did I quote; except a part of that link (so you could have an idea of it's contents).
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You have chosen to follow your own inclinations, because as you have said in your heart: "uninformed fundamentalists think that it [Bible - Word of God] is all straight out of God's mouth when, in fact, it isn't." and you called it [these, "in quite a few places in the new testament"] "uninspired material"
Certain parts definitely appear to be latter additions. Do you consider these amendments to be inspired?
ABSOLUTELY!! I definitely consider these amendments to be inspired by God through the work of the Holy Spirit of God!!
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 1:32:32 PM
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P.S. God can Not lie.
If just one thing in the Bible is wrong that makes it a lie; throw it away because it make the whole Book a lie --- period point blank.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 3:52:56 PM
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P.S. God can Not lie.
If just one thing in the Bible is wrong that makes it a lie; throw it away because it make the whole Book a lie --- period point blank.
Pat,
I pray this does not sound condescending; it is certainly not meant to be. But have you studied about the different manuscripts and different versions of the Bible that come from the different manuscripts?
If you have not, and you are at all interested, you can probably read alot about it on the KJV only thread in the Bible thread....
I knew Dr. Theodore Letis, before his tragic death. His whole life work was on the very topic, he coming from the KJV only point of view (I am not KJV only).
What I am trying to say is, I believe I understand (somewhat) where Mike is coming from....there are discrepencies (sp)...One version will have the verses at the end of Mark, another might not. Other versions deprive Jesus of the honey (private joke)...
Sorry moderator - I know my post is off topic.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 3:59:16 PM
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Sorry to spoil the hand clapping festivities, but the MD on my tag is not for doctor, but just my initials. To be honest, when I picked it, I never even thought of MD as in medical doctor, but you are the second person to think that.
But I am glad you liked my post.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 5:00:29 PM
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I personally believe that Jesus Christ may also be a composite character of various legendary sources including (but not limited to) Zoroaster, Mithras, Krishna, Zeus, and Buddha; as well as a mysterious fellow named Jesus of Nazareth (my theory).
That is a pretty radical person that you think He may be...Your mind obviously has been occupied with this "character" to reach such a possibility.
Strange, is it not? You can't seem to quite get Him off your mind, can you  You can't out live Him and you can't quite live without Him...
Have you looked into Josephus's writings the first century historian? He mentions Jesus in his writings and another man who has studied Josephus's writings was led to find King Herod's tomb, following what Josephus described. This is the same cruel, cruel King Herod that wanted to slaughter the baby Jesus... The mention of Josephus is about seven paragraphs down in the article....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6633979.stm
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 8:22:38 PM
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Well they were written by 4 different men with 4 different perspectives and viewpoints on the events that occurred.
. . . But all inspired by the same Holy Spirit who, by all rights, should have been able to impart to every writer the same information regarding the mitigating facts concerning the Resurrection.
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If they all said exactly the same thing word for word, then I would say something was fishy.
Sure, I am not talking about matching verbage, but rather a general agreement on the facts. About the only thing that they seem to all agree upon is that there was a Resurrection.
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But how about Mikey, don't you hate when people call you that. I do, makes me feel like I am 5 years old.
I know what you mean-- it's like that old Life cereal commercial with the little kids at the breakfast table:
"He likes it! Hey, Mikey . . . !"
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Can I ask what age did you stop believing?
It didn't happen all at once. I didn't de-convert in a moment's decision. I began to really question my faith after I was baptized: about 24 years old, I think.
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What Church?
Church of Christ-- at first.
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May I suggest that you look at images of flowers?
Why, thank you. They are often lovely to gaze upon . . .
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Sorry that reply went over my head; I don't understand --- refresh my old memory, who or what did I quote; except a part of that link (so you could have an idea of it's contents).
It's post # 169 on page 7 of this thread.
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ABSOLUTELY!! I definitely consider these amendments to be inspired by God through the work of the Holy Spirit of God!!
Why do you believe this? Just because it's "in there?" A whole lot of scripture was left out of the bible, too. How do you know that those were not inspired? Just because they're not "in there?"
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P.S. God can Not lie.
If just one thing in the Bible is wrong that makes it a lie; throw it away because it make the whole Book a lie --- period point blank.
Truth and untruth are not the determining factors here. There are many true-but-uninspired writings.
The point is, is there anything in the bible that we know is not of God?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/30/2008 10:11:10 PM
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That is a pretty radical person that you think He may be...Your mind obviously has been occupied with this "character" to reach such a possibility.
Yes. A person wants to get to know their leader, do they not?
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Strange, is it not? You can't seem to quite get Him off your mind, can you
You can't out live Him and you can't quite live without Him...
Yes, he is intriguing as can be.
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Have you looked into Josephus's writings the first century historian? He mentions Jesus in his writings
Yes, but those writings have been proved to have been tampered with. I believe that Josephus' original comments refered to the enigmatic Jesus of Nazareth.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 12:06:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
Sorry that reply went over my head; I don't understand --- refresh my old memory, who or what did I quote; except a part of that link (so you could have an idea of it's contents).
It's post # 169 on page 7 of this thread.
Oh, I see (I think) nothing in that link applied/applies to you and/or the reason you lost your faith when your intellect took over. Okay, so... where did your intellect take over and leave your faith behind?
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ABSOLUTELY!! I definitely consider these amendments to be inspired by God through the work of the Holy Spirit of God!!
Why do you believe this?
Because my spirit agrees with His Spirit
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Just because it's "in there?"
Yes, because I know it is His Word and God can Not lie.
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"A whole lot of scripture was left out of the bible, too. How do you know that those were not inspired? Just because they're not "in there?
Because I believe the Bible both the Old and New Testaments, to be the inspired, inerrant and only infallible, authoritative Word of God.
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P.S. God can Not lie.
If just one thing in the Bible is wrong that makes it a lie; throw it away because it make the whole Book a lie --- period point blank.
Truth and untruth are not the determining factors here. There are many true-but-uninspired writings.
That's true.
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The point is, is there anything in the bible that we know is not of God?
ABSOLUTELY Not!! Unless, you want to count grammar and punctuation marks, especially in the KJV (as I said before, the one I use the most).
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 9:48:01 AM
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Oh, I see I think nothing in that link applied/applies to you and/or the reason you lost your faith when your intellect took over.
Well, you also asked "what the difference was" between me and those quotes, and the difference is that I didn't say any of it.
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Okay, so... where did your intellect take over and leave your faith behind?
There is no single defining moment in an on-going process. My intellect has been surpassing my faith for some time now. That does not mean that my faith isn't still in the running, but it is lagging farther and farther behind.
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The point is, is there anything in the bible that we know is not of God?
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ABSOLUTELY Not!! Unless, you want to count grammar and punctuation marks, especially in the KJV (as I said before, the one I use the most).
No, I am not counting grammar or punctuation marks. I am talking about 1 Corinthians 7:12, 7:25, and 7:40 wherein Paul separates his opinions from God's commandments, and then qualifies himself by stating that he thinks that he has the spirit of God in his opinions. Yet, he also found it incumbent upon himself to distinguish between his words and God's.
If Paul's own writings can have uninspired moments, how about the insertions and variations in scripture by lesser authors?
Psalms had several authors, some of them expressing very ungodly joy in evil befalling their enemies (what would Jesus do; he who admonished us to not repay evil for evil and to pray for our enemies?)
How about Philemon and Esther?: nothing spiritual in either of them.
And the Song of Solomon . . . ?!
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 10:17:47 AM
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There are a couple of people that I missed from before (sorry, guys):
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What did you have faith in?
You seem to be searching for incorrect doctrine.
I believed in my need to be saved from my sins. I believed in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, crucified and raised from the dead on the third day as propitiation for my sins. My confession of faith thereby allowed the Holy Spirit to be my comforter and teacher leading me into all truth, and truth unto eternal life.
Later, I saw the need for water emersion: baptism into his death and resurrection.
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But it seems to me that this knowledge is all in your intellect not in your heart.
Knowledge does reside in the intellect, does it not?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 10:20:06 AM
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1 Corinthians 8:1-3
1 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2 The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3 But the man who loves God is known by God.
Matthew 13:13-23
13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15 For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' 16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. 18 "Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
1 Corinthians 1:17-31
17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. 26 Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things--and the things that are not--to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 11:05:13 AM
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There is no single defining moment in an on-going process. My intellect has been surpassing my faith for some time now. That does not mean that my faith isn't still in the running, but it is lagging farther and farther behind.
Of course....What you feed will grow. What you don't feed will eventually die. You have fed doubts for many years now, so you describe yourself as apostate.
When my doubts came, instead of feeding them, I started working on my faith.
You may be intellectual, but who is the wise one here
If Paul's own writings can have uninspired moments, how about the insertions and variations in scripture by lesser authors?
Psalms had several authors, some of them expressing very ungodly joy in evil befalling their enemies (what would Jesus do; he who admonished us to not repay evil for evil and to pray for our enemies?)
How about Philemon and Esther?: nothing spiritual in either of them.
And the Song of Solomon . . . ?!
Mike, Mike, Mike...The Bible is about real people with real struggles...and a very real God, who suffers long with His beloved children...Who suffers long with....you...
Good morning, my forum friend...
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 11:39:00 AM
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ABSOLUTELY Not!! Unless, you want to count grammar and punctuation marks, especially in the KJV (as I said before, the one I use the most).
No, I am not counting grammar or punctuation marks. I am talking about 1 Corinthians 7:12, 7:25, and 7:40 wherein Paul separates his opinions from God's commandments, and then qualifies himself by stating that he thinks that he has the spirit of God in his opinions. Yet, he also found it incumbent upon himself to distinguish between his words and God's.
If Paul's own writings can have uninspired moments, how about the insertions and variations in scripture by lesser authors?
Psalms had several authors, some of them expressing very ungodly joy in evil befalling their enemies (what would Jesus do; he who admonished us to not repay evil for evil and to pray for our enemies?)
How about Philemon and Esther?: nothing spiritual in either of them.
And the Song of Solomon . . . ?!
I'm not even going to go there; to me this reply is what these words; "lest any man should beguile you ...." [Colossians 2:4], and, Colossians 2:8, "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."; is all about.
However, I do like your reply to SonInMe1:
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I believed in my need to be saved from my sins. I believed in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, crucified and raised from the dead on the third day as propitiation for my sins. My confession of faith thereby allowed the Holy Spirit to be my comforter and teacher leading me into all truth, and truth unto eternal life.
Later, I saw the need for water immersion: baptism into his death and resurrection.
I'd like to back up to here and ask you; At this point in time did you and/or do you now consider yourself a 'follower' of Jesus (the one who was water immersion baptized by John the baptist)? Do you now and/or have you ever considered yourself to have had a personal relationship with this same Jesus?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 11:48:22 AM
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Mike, Mike, Mike...The Bible is about real people with real struggles...and a very real God, who suffers long with His beloved children...Who suffers long with....you...
Very well said cherished.
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"Fear not for I am with you,
Do not be dismayed for I am your God,
I will strengthen you and help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand"
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 12:52:30 PM
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Mike, Mike, Mike...The Bible is about real people with real struggles...and a very real God, who suffers long with His beloved children...Who suffers long with....you...
Very well said cherished.
Thank you, so much. That is a major, major thing that has endeared this Jesus to my heart. It was when my faith severely faltered and I started studying Jesus of Nazareth intently through the gospels and also studying Him in the book of Hebrews.
I began seeing how He related to very real, flawed, sinful, if you will individuals...and my heart began melting. For I saw James and John wanting to call down fire from Heaven, i.e. very harsh and vengeful, but Jesus transformed them and John went on to become the apostle of love.
I saw Thomas, who we mockingly call the doubter, through the eyes of Jesus. I saw a man absolutely crushed at the brutal death of Jesus - this One Who Thomas had given up everything for and believed everything about - but then Thomas's faith was smashed into the very dirt where the blood of Jesus flowed. And yet Jesus met Thomas where Thomas was at and let Thomas thrust his hand into His side, and put His fingers into His nail-prints.
I saw Peter, not only given a private meeting with the Master, after Peter cursed and swore and denied Him,but I saw this Jesus single out Peter, specifically after His resurrection, and say ~go tell my desciples and Peter~ I Am risen!
I saw Him appear first to Mary Magdalene, who, I personally believe, was one of the most needy due to her horrible past...He knew she needed to see Him first because of her desperation.
And then, as this unfolded through the years before my adoring eyes, I began seeing and recognizing Him doing the same in my own life during my desperation. For He met me at every single point of need...He whispered love words in my ears, He gave me a new name, He gave me a wonderful ministry, He sent me messages of love through nature because I love nature...He met me in such a personal way that it had to be Him because no one could touch me the way He did without knowing me intimately....
I blew it, I blew it and I blew it, and yet on and on through the years He met me right where I have been at...lifting me up every time I have fallen. Cheering on this oft. faint-hearted woman. Giving me courage just one more time to carry on through this oft painful journey called life...lifting me higher and higher after I fall, onwards and upwards to bring some sort of glory to Him, against all odds and against every evil that has come against me.
By His grace only....Only by His grace.......
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 1:06:54 PM
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ABSOLUTELY Not!! Unless, you want to count grammar and punctuation marks, especially in the KJV (as I said before, the one I use the most).
No, I am not counting grammar or punctuation marks. I am talking about 1 Corinthians 7:12, 7:25, and 7:40 wherein Paul separates his opinions from God's commandments, and then qualifies himself by stating that he thinks that he has the spirit of God in his opinions. Yet, he also found it incumbent upon himself to distinguish between his words and God's.
If Paul's own writings can have uninspired moments, how about the insertions and variations in scripture by lesser authors?
Psalms had several authors, some of them expressing very ungodly joy in evil befalling their enemies (what would Jesus do; he who admonished us to not repay evil for evil and to pray for our enemies?)
How about Philemon and Esther?: nothing spiritual in either of them.
And the Song of Solomon . . . ?!
I'm not even going to go there
To the Song of Solomon?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/1/2008 1:57:12 PM
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I personally believe that Jesus Christ may also be a composite character of various legendary sources including (but not limited to) Zoroaster, Mithras, Krishna, Zeus, and Buddha; as well as a mysterious fellow named Jesus of Nazareth (my theory). quote:
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thus later copyists wrote these verses to give an appropriate conclusion to the account. This is tampering. Inserting uninspired material happened in quite a few places in the new testament. The problem is that uninformed fundamentalists think that it's all straight out of God's mouth when, in fact, it isn't.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/2/2008 10:16:31 AM
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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod
Good morning, my forum friend
Same to you, V.
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In defense of Mike, I know he was very concerned about crossing the line and violating TOS. He did not want to do that and I am certain at times it was very difficult for him not to cross that line, especially when we all start "emoting".
No one is to blame. These issues were bound to come up, but we all gots to play by the forum's rules (did I really just say "gots?")
And you will notice that they haven't kicked me off yet.
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Regardless of what happens to this thread, I just want to say how grateful I am for everyone that participated.
Ditto.
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When my doubts came, instead of feeding them, I started working on my faith.
You may be intellectual, but who is the wise one here
Why, you are m'lady.
I never did claim to be all that wise, btw.
"Oh!- a wise guy, eh?"
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
I'd like to back up to here and ask you; At this point in time did you and/or do you now consider yourself a 'follower' of Jesus (the one who was water immersion baptized by John the baptist)?
Right now? No, I am not Christ's follower, but I once was.
It's interesting when you consider that many of Christ's follower | | |
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