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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 4:10:10 PM
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mapachito13
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Gee Whiz! The photo is of him in African dress! Wasn't this laid to rest already? Or are people who wear Scottish kilts automatically pagans?
That was another event when he was on a State visit.
This is just him being himself when he was in his 20"s.
Just keep on defending this guy if you desire, but there is really something rotten about him, his history, and a lot more.
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There are different forms of African dress in case you didn't know and by your comment I'd have to say you didn't know.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 6:18:24 PM
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As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."
was from last week, and was not taken from the MSNBC article which was pulblished in 2004. The recent article does reference the 2004 MSNBC article for some background, but the brothers statement that Barak has a muslim background is new.
Sorry but you err, and I hope it was from lack of research and not a purposeful attempt to twist the truth to hide Obama's Muslim background.
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Yes, I acknowledged already that the brother has acknowledged Obama's "Muslim background," but as I said before, there's nothing in the article that would suggest he was raised Muslim.
Acknowledging a "Muslim background" is not the same as saying "being raised Muslim." I have a Catholic background, in that my father and most of my extended releatives on his side were Catholic, but I was raised Lutheran. The brother talks about How Obama's father was Muslim, but, again, he states quite clearly that he is Christian. He never says that we was raised Muslim (And Obama wasn't raised by his father anyway, given that his mother divorced him when he was 2).
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 6:27:21 PM
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When did BO become Christian?
I mean if he was raised Christian then he would have had to been a Christian while being raised; and vise versa, .....is His father still Muslim?
From most accounts his Mom and step father were agnostic, so I don't think he was raised with much of any religion, but he claims to have become Christian in his 20s. In his book he actually claimed that his father, the one raised Muslim, was an atheist by the time he met his mother anyway.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 7:10:39 PM
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Yes, I acknowledged already that the brother has acknowledged Obama's "Muslim background," but as I said before, there's nothing in the article that would suggest he was raised Muslim.
Acknowledging a "Muslim background" is not the same as saying "being raised Muslim." ...
Here is a small part of the article;
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Melanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, acknowledging attending Islamic classes, reported accompanying his step-father to the mosque, and able to recite the Koran in the original Arabic).
Reuven Koret, Aaron Klein and Daniel Pipes have previously pointed to the attempts by Obama and his campaign to conceal the candidate's Muslim background. The well documented evidence draws upon the on-the-ground interviews by researchers in Indonesia and Kenya, published quotations of Obama's childhood friends and his school records, as well as the candidate's own autobiography
So Henny do you get paid to carry the Obama talking points or are you just drinking the "Change" kool-aid.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 8:26:13 AM
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There are different forms of African dress in case you didn't know and by your comment I'd have to say you didn't know.
But guess what, the different forms of African dress are, ....well, ...African dress and recognizable as such and not confused with, say, Russian or Chinese dress. Or didn't you know that?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 10:41:50 AM
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Maybe I'm confussed by the whole abortion issue, but if he is a representative of the people and the people want abortion doesn't he have to vote the way the people want?
Well, if any of these politicians really care about doing what the people want, why not let the people vote on whether or not abortion should be legal? I wouldn't be so quick to say it is what the people want, I think there are more out there than you think that are against abortion, they just don't get the press time that the other side does.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 11:25:43 AM
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After what just happened in California (the gay marriage disaster), it doesn't seem to matter what the people want. A judge, or judges, can overturn voters' decisions and execute their own agendas. So much for checks and balances.
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Maybe I'm confussed by the whole abortion issue, but if he is a representative of the people and the people want abortion doesn't he have to vote the way the people want?
Well, if any of these politicians really care about doing what the people want, why not let the people vote on whether or not abortion should be legal? I wouldn't be so quick to say it is what the people want, I think there are more out there than you think that are against abortion, they just don't get the press time that the other side does.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 12:07:34 PM
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When did BO become Christian?
I mean if he was raised Christian then he would have had to been a Christian while being raised; and vise versa, .....is His father still Muslim?
From most accounts his Mom and step father were agnostic, so I don't think he was raised with much of any religion, but he claims to have become Christian in his 20s. In his book he actually claimed that his father, the one raised Muslim, was an atheist by the time he met his mother anyway.
Greetings,
I appreciate the in input,
Muslim are agnostic to begin with and if that is what he wrote it is rather contradicting, how can a Muslim be an atheist?
I mean there are many atheists who treat their wives better than some Christians I know and in like manner there are those who do not, but that kind of stuff holds no barriers, and I tend to look at the spiritual sides which maintain itself the same in either scenario, But beyond the typical political lies, I can see it in their eyes when something is hidden, its the same demon or 2… just different folks!
Hypothetically!
We have to keep in mind that even though there are those who are attempting to undermine the structure of American Law and Justice… it is still based firmly in scripture, in other words there is a built in error checking of a sort….and even if some political sleeper rises up or is $$ up in the system and goes to takes it on by imploring rhetoric from the old gods, It will expose a type of fear, and If I was a dog and I sensed a bit of fear, I would have by now bitten BO in the pants at least 3 times.
…….Whatever it is that is hidden will be revealed in the next months and I am actually looking forward to the rhetoric in this election prophecy wise; (because Islam has a certain way) even more than the other elections and McCain is no dummy to Islam.
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His mother divorced his father for some reason , and if he was not holding to the traditions of the way Muslims treat women then he would be in part IMO an atheist… but if she divorced him because he did, then he was Muslim.
Given the current world situations; Until BO fesses up either way; then why should we even start to believe him?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 1:21:22 PM
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Well his pst is the past, it is his present beliefs that scare me more. He would make a better Muslim, than Christian easier to wrap head around for me, with his beliefs and such. Did anyone hear he would not let Muslim women with head scarfs on in his campaign photo. Muslims are mad at him.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 1:47:27 PM
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rcjames
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Well his pst is the past, it is his present beliefs that scare me more. He would make a better Muslim, than Christian easier to wrap head around for me, with his beliefs and such. Did anyone hear he would not let Muslim women with head scarfs on in his campaign photo. Muslims are mad at him.
Seems as though he was trying to distance himself from the obvious.
Thsnks
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 2:07:15 PM
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And when he was here in NC, they had to go out to find white people to be seen at his speech. I think he's got a real problem trying to "look" normal to everyone - got to have the right balance of whites/blacks/Hispanics/orientals, but NO moslems.
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Well his pst is the past, it is his present beliefs that scare me more. He would make a better Muslim, than Christian easier to wrap head around for me, with his beliefs and such. Did anyone hear he would not let Muslim women with head scarfs on in his campaign photo. Muslims are mad at him.
Seems as though he was trying to distance himself from the obvious.
Thsnks
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 6:48:07 PM
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If you keep saying "he's a muslim" enough times maybe the less intelligent people will believe you.
Anyone that has an ounce of common sense though will know that's not true.
The Truth is kind of funny that way rc.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/19/2008 7:20:58 PM
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When will all this talk about Obama being a closet Muslim end?
One of the reported frontrunners on McCain's list of VP hopefuls is
Piyush Jindal, born a Hindu, parents still Hindu, originally from Punjab Province Pakistan. The primary religion of Punjab is....Islam. In addition, while Obama's daddy's country, Kenya, is primarily known for exporting long distance runners, Punjab is a known hangout for Al-qaeda and the Taliban. Bin Laden reportedly made one of his famous videos there. Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself.
Piyush tried to hide his Hindu (or is it Muslim, the primary religion of Punjab) and Taliban - err..Punjab background at an early age. He changed his name to "Bobby" and converted to Roman Catholicism. There is documented evidence that he participated in an exorcism while in school. Who documented the evidence? Piyush did himself.
Go ahead. Bring up Rev. Wright again.
But Piyush is 100 percent pro-life. That means some of you wouldn't care if he showed up side by side with McCain at the convention wearing a turban and strapped down with more explosives than Wile E. Coyote after an Acme buy-one-get-one-free sale.
So when, I didn't say if, but when, McCain picks this guy (Rush and Newt's favorite), who, by the way, is only 36 years old, maybe then we can get back to talking about real issues that matter.
Or, maybe not.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 12:14:51 AM
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When will all this talk about Obama being a closet Muslim end?
One of the reported frontrunners on McCain's list of VP hopefuls is
Piyush Jindal, born a Hindu, parents still Hindu, originally from Punjab Province Pakistan. The primary religion of Punjab is....Islam. In addition, while Obama's daddy's country, Kenya, is primarily known for exporting long distance runners, Punjab is a known hangout for Al-qaeda and the Taliban. Bin Laden reportedly made one of his famous videos there. Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself.
Piyush tried to hide his Hindu (or is it Muslim, the primary religion of Punjab) and Taliban - err..Punjab background at an early age. He changed his name to "Bobby" and converted to Roman Catholicism. There is documented evidence that he participated in an exorcism while in school. Who documented the evidence? Piyush did himself.
Go ahead. Bring up Rev. Wright again.
But Piyush is 100 percent pro-life. That means some of you wouldn't care if he showed up side by side with McCain at the convention wearing a turban and strapped down with more explosives than Wile E. Coyote after an Acme buy-one-get-one-free sale.
So when, I didn't say if, but when, McCain picks this guy (Rush and Newt's favorite), who, by the way, is only 36 years old, maybe then we can get back to talking about real issues that matter.
Or, maybe not.
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Hey...
Thanks for reminding me...
They had an incredible revival in the Punjab awhile back. I will have to go back and study it again. It is amazing what God can do...
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 8:05:45 AM
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When will all this talk about Obama being a closet Muslim end?
Not until someone offered up something else ...which you have!
How familiar are you with the phrase catch 22??
You know....the type that Hamas and Iran play with the nation of Israel...
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LG
Unlike Piyush Subhaschandra Amrit Jindal, Barack Hussein Obama kept his given name. He could have instead changed it to something more "American" like "Bobby" so as not to scare all the knuckle draggers who think you can tell a muslim terrorist simply by the way he looks and how American his name sounds. So when McCain picks Jindal, he would be wise to go one step further and start referring to himself as, "Bobby Gene Dale." Now THAT's an American name.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 9:34:07 AM
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If you keep saying "he's a muslim" enough times maybe the less intelligent people will believe you.
Anyone that has an ounce of common sense though will know that's not true.
The Truth is kind of funny that way rc.
Well maybe I shold have titled the thread "Obaba lies about muslim past according to his brother". But I just hate long thread titles.
Thsnks
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 9:47:47 AM
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When will all this talk about Obama being a closet Muslim end?
But Piyush is 100 percent pro-life. That means some of you wouldn't care if he showed up side by side with McCain at the convention wearing a turban and strapped down with more explosives than Wile E. Coyote after an Acme buy-one-get-one-free sale.
Answer to first question, never? All politicians and their followers resort to ad hominem attacks to discredit their rival. Throw enough mud to make them look "dirty". It's childish but then if it wasn't so effective they wouldn't do it.
Al-Queda is vehemently against abortion! This makes them pro-life!  That suicide bombing issue though is a problem.
If Islam is against abortion (although I thought Christianity was too) then maybe it would be better if he were a Muslim. There are way too many "Christians" that are "pro-death" in this country. Pre-birth and post birth!
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 9:59:12 AM
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When will all this talk about Obama being a closet Muslim end?
If Obama would speak the truth about his past, Publically state that he has rejected Muhhamed as the Prophet of God, and accepted Jesus Christ as his one and only Lord; that would probably do it.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 10:14:59 AM
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When will all this talk about Obama being a closet Muslim end?
If Obama would speak the truth about his past, Publically state that he has rejected Muhhamed as the Prophet of God, and accepted Jesus Christ as his one and only Lord; that would probably do it.
Thanks
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Fine.
Are we going to require the same out of ALL our elected officials or those running for President? Or just those who are the subject of unsubtantiated internet rumors?
Or just Obama?
I remember a story of when LBJ was running for office in Texas, he suggested to his staff that they put out a story that his opponent had carnal knowledge of farm animals. His advisors told him, "LBJ, you can't do that, we have no proof." LBJ replied, "Yeah, but I can make the (fellow) deny it!"
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 10:22:31 AM
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If Obama would speak the truth about his past, Publically state that he has rejected Muhhamed as the Prophet of God, and accepted Jesus Christ as his one and only Lord; that would probably do it.
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Doesn't a public expresssion of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? Last I checked, he's done that.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/20/2008 11:43:28 AM
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Well maybe I shold have titled the thread "Obaba lies about muslim past according to his brother". But I just hate long thread titles.
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So what are lies we're talking about here? He's written about having attended school in Indonesia. Public school which was predominantly muslim and like most of the other schools had religious instruction. It's Indonesia - that's normal. This issue has already been vetted out by snopes.com, CNN, etc. Yes, his parents registered him at public school as a muslim - islamic heritage is culturally traced down through the patriline. It would have been normal for a child of a muslim father to be registered as a muslim, particularly if your family's attachment to any one particular faith was loose at best. He also attended Catholic school during the 4 or 5 years he was there.
That wouldn't seem to me to qualify as having been "raised a muslim".
Overall I think this all just demonstrates his family's ambivalence toward religion that he wrote about.
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