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rcjames -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 2:09:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW Doesn't a public expresssion of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? Last I checked, he's done that. I do not consider Obama's mealy mouthed wishy washy statements concerning his faith to be a confession of faith. If I had been raised aMuslim as Obama evidently was; I would definately say I reject Mohammed and his teachings and accept the truth of Jesus Christ. Thanks RC

rcjames -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 2:13:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW Yes, his parents registered him at public school as a muslim - islamic heritage is culturally traced down through the patriline. It would have been normal for a child of a muslim father to be registered as a muslim, Then he should denounce the Muslim faith and the Prophet Mohammed and state he has seen the error of the ways of his father and his childhood. Thanks RC

jkdjr25 -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 2:14:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW Doesn't a public expresssion of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? Last I checked, he's done that. I do not consider Obama's mealy mouthed wishy washy statements concerning his faith to be a confession of faith. If I had been raised aMuslim as Obama evidently was; I would definately say I reject Mohammed and his teachings and accept the truth of Jesus Christ. Thanks RC There you have it. Openly saying that one has accepted Christ doesn't count unless you renounce another faith first. Unless you're John McCain, then saying you're Espiscopalian is enough.

JimboFletch -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 2:14:11 PM)
Doesn't it say somewhere in Deuteronomy something like, "Neither shalt thou bring an Obamanation into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing." [sm=farmersmile.gif]

rcjames -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 2:26:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jkdjr25 There you have it. Openly saying that one has accepted Christ doesn't count unless you renounce another faith first. Unless you're John McCain, then saying you're Espiscopalian is enough. If McCain had been a Wiccan or a Muslim or a buddist prior to his conversion; then he would need to renounce the other gods that he served. By doing this one is very clear that they are not trying to be a one size fits all multi-spiritualist. You know like belonging to and supporting a Pastor for over 20 years and then dumping him when it is politically expedient. Thanks RC

mapachito13 -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 2:32:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Doesn't it say somewhere in Deuteronomy something like, "Neither shalt thou bring an Obamanation into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing." [sm=farmersmile.gif] [:D] ROTFLOL [:D] You just gave me an idea though! Since all sports fans are referring to themselves as (insert team name here) nation. Now BO's supporters can say they are the Obama Nation!!! Muy chistoso, Jimbo! Very funny!

GroupW -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 2:55:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW Yes, his parents registered him at public school as a muslim - islamic heritage is culturally traced down through the patriline. It would have been normal for a child of a muslim father to be registered as a muslim, Then he should denounce the Muslim faith and the Prophet Mohammed and state he has seen the error of the ways of his father and his childhood. Thanks RC If he'd at one time actually been a Muslim, I could see it. However, denouncing a faith that you never had isn't really practical if you're trying to be a President of a large nation that has a significant Muslim minority and has to deal with a world in which Muslim populations are a majority within many of our trading partners and allies. How do you lead those whom you've denounced? Again, I'm not seeing any lies. As for the "ways of his father and his childhood", I don't think having a muslim father and having gone to a public school in a muslim country qualifies one as a muslim. What would he do, apologize for having been born to a Kenyan? Recant his parent's desire to move to Indonesia and his attendance at a public school?

saved9201 -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 3:09:42 PM)
quote: If McCain had been a Wiccan or a Muslim or a buddist prior to his conversion; then he would need to renounce the other gods that he served. Conversion? Conversion to what? When? - Julius

GroupW -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 3:20:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames If I had been raised aMuslim as Obama evidently was; Thanks RC FYI - This would appear to be an incorrect statement. What does being "raised a muslim" entail? It's difficult to place tremendous confidence in a statement by a half brother who barely knew Mr. Obama. So far, the only evidence of being raised Muslim is having had a muslim father, muslim step dad, and having gone to a both a private catholic school and a public school in a muslim country. On the other side, he had an atheist mother and by most other accounts, a very loose and ambivalent history with organized religion until Chicago. I know lots of kids that went to Christian schools and had Christian parents. There are many of them that weren't really raised as a Christian.

PhunkD -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 3:30:21 PM)
McCain "used to be" an episcopalian--a pro-choice, gay marrying/ordaining church. Has he denounced them? Has he repented? How do we know that he is not secretly still an episcopalian, planted in his baptist church secretly by the homosexual lobby? You know, he never has been baptized in his new church. Seems to me he is still an episcopalian.

saved9201 -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 3:33:09 PM)
quote: I do not consider Obama's mealy mouthed wishy washy statements concerning his faith to be a confession of faith. McCain says he is not "born again" and has not been baptized. John McCain, on why he's never been baptized: �I didn�t find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs.� http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1018/p01s06-uspo.html McCain also called Preachers Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents of intolerance" and compared them to Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton. So. I ask again. Are we going to require all our presidential candidates to make non-wishy washy statements that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and denounces all other gods? Or just the candidates you don't like? Or just Obama? You guys can't keep making up rules and setting requirements for what y'all want Obama to do and not make the same requirements for other candidates. You lose credibility that way. - Julius

mapachito13 -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 4:00:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: I do not consider Obama's mealy mouthed wishy washy statements concerning his faith to be a confession of faith. McCain says he is not "born again" and has not been baptized. John McCain, on why he's never been baptized: �I didn�t find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs.� http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1018/p01s06-uspo.html McCain also called Preachers Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents of intolerance" and compared them to Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton. So. I ask again. Are we going to require all our presidential candidates to make non-wishy washy statements that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and denounces all other gods? Or just the candidates you don't like? Or just Obama? You guys can't keep making up rules and setting requirements for what y'all want Obama to do and not make the same requirements for other candidates. You lose credibility that way. - Julius "He continues to support a major US military presence in Iraq, for instance, long after a majority of Americans reported they had stopped believing in it. His liberal positions on immigration reform and campaign finance have made him anathema to key segments of the GOP base." (Quote from article from post #111) I didn't know McCain could be considered liberal in anything! [:D] Isn't immigration a hot button for conservatives? How can you become a Christian WITHOUT baptism? Even Jesus Christ was baptised to "fulfill all righteousness"? Why did all those thousands of people in Acts bother with that unnecessary ritual?

JimboFletch -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 4:01:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 How can you become a Christian WITHOUT baptism? Even Jesus Christ was baptised to "fulfill all righteousness"? Why did all those thousands of people in Acts bother with that unnecessary ritual? So we have two pagans running for the White House?

jkdjr25 -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 4:05:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: I do not consider Obama's mealy mouthed wishy washy statements concerning his faith to be a confession of faith. McCain says he is not "born again" and has not been baptized. John McCain, on why he's never been baptized: �I didn�t find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs.� http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1018/p01s06-uspo.html McCain also called Preachers Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents of intolerance" and compared them to Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton. So. I ask again. Are we going to require all our presidential candidates to make non-wishy washy statements that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and denounces all other gods? Or just the candidates you don't like? Or just Obama? You guys can't keep making up rules and setting requirements for what y'all want Obama to do and not make the same requirements for other candidates. You lose credibility that way. - Julius "He continues to support a major US military presence in Iraq, for instance, long after a majority of Americans reported they had stopped believing in it. His liberal positions on immigration reform and campaign finance have made him anathema to key segments of the GOP base." (Quote from article from post #111) I didn't know McCain could be considered liberal in anything! [:D] Isn't immigration a hot button for conservatives? How can you become a Christian WITHOUT baptism? Even Jesus Christ was baptised to "fulfill all righteousness"? Why did all those thousands of people in Acts bother with that unnecessary ritual? In large part because the thief that was crucified with Jesus. The one who asked to be remembered when Christ came into His kingdom. He'd never been baptised but Christ accepted him anyway and told him that he would be with Him in paradise.

JimboFletch -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 4:28:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jkdjr25 In large part because the thief that was crucified with Jesus. The one who asked to be remembered when Christ came into His kingdom. He'd never been baptised but Christ accepted him anyway and told him that he would be with Him in paradise. The thief had absolutely no choice in the matter whatsoever. The norm was always to be baptized as soon as possible. Even the Ethipoian eunuch wanted to be baptized immediately upon being born again. How many examples from the NT can you provide of someone ABLE to be baptized that did NOT do so? I'll be happy to wait...

mapachito13 -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 5:22:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jkdjr25 In large part because the thief that was crucified with Jesus. The one who asked to be remembered when Christ came into His kingdom. He'd never been baptised but Christ accepted him anyway and told him that he would be with Him in paradise. So what cross has McCain been hanging on all these years that didn't allow him to step into a church to be baptised? Will he melt if touched by water? Maybe he was a victim of water torture at the Hanoi Hilton and hasn't taken a bath since? Looks like the man doesn't want to prescribe to any denomination and just wants the Christian label to garner votes!

GroupW -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 5:50:37 PM)
It does have that feel to it, doesn't it.

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 5:53:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames If Obama would speak the truth about his past, Publically state that he has rejected Muhhamed as the Prophet of God, and accepted Jesus Christ as his one and only Lord; that would probably do it. Thanks 'RC Doesn't a public expression of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? Last I checked, he's done that. Greetings, Being all the hostility in Islamic law towards conversion to the Christian Faith a Muslim in a Jihad with a public expression of a Christian faith attributed it to be an honor to lie for the sake of Allah, And �If I am not mistaken� a public expression of a Christian faith dose not mean converted; even in Church circles�..the denouncing of Allah publically sends the wrong message and is about the only thing I believe that is not an option, LG

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 6:27:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mapachito13 quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch Doesn't it say somewhere in Deuteronomy something like, "Neither shalt thou bring an Obamanation into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing." [sm=farmersmile.gif] [:D] ROTFLOL [:D] You just gave me an idea though! Since all sports fans are referring to themselves as (insert team name here) nation. Now BO's supporters can say they are the Obama Nation!!! Muy chistoso, Jimbo! Very funny! Greetings, I just caught that [:D] one!! I guess if fits his agendas, Homosexual marriage = Abomination Comprising with Christian evangelicals = Abomination ��.Sounds like that old movie� "Becket" where the priest gets it at the end. [:(] Synopsis The play is a re-enactment of the conflicts between King Henry II (Obama) and Thomas Becket as Becket, (The Church) best friend to Henry II, (2008 Elections) ascends to power becoming the King�s enemy. (After the truth comes out) Story Line Becket begins as a clever, but hedonistic, companion to King Henry II; (2008 elections) and as a result of being created Archbishop of Canterbury, (Pay off by the Obama campaign) he is transformed into an ascetic who does his best to preserve the rights of the church against the king's power.(after the people found out) Ultimately, Becket is slaughtered by several of the king's nobles, (Islam) and the king is then forced to undergo penance for the murder. (The second coming) [:D] LG

GroupW -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 6:55:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy Greetings, Being all the hostility in Islamic law towards conversion to the Christian Faith a Muslim in a Jihad with a public expression of a Christian faith attributed it to be an honor to lie for the sake Allah, And �If I am not mistaken� a public expression of a Christian faith dose not mean converted; even in Church circles�..the denouncing of Allah publically sends the wrong message and is about the only thing I believe that is not an option, LG Might not be understanding you here, but it appears to me that you're saying if he makes a public profession he's lying about being Muslim, whereas if he doesn't then he's obvously a Muslim. Then if he makes a profession but it's not worded correctly, then RC has an issue with it. Seems downright Kafkaesque to me.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 8:10:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames If Obama would speak the truth about his past, Publically state that he has rejected Muhhamed as the Prophet of God, and accepted Jesus Christ as his one and only Lord; that would probably do it. Thanks 'RC Doesn't a public expresssion of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? Last I checked, he's done that. Many will say, "Lord, Lord....' John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 8:14:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jkdjr25 quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW Doesn't a public expresssion of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? Last I checked, he's done that. I do not consider Obama's mealy mouthed wishy washy statements concerning his faith to be a confession of faith. If I had been raised aMuslim as Obama evidently was; I would definately say I reject Mohammed and his teachings and accept the truth of Jesus Christ. Thanks RC There you have it. Openly saying that one has accepted Christ doesn't count unless you renounce another faith first. Unless you're John McCain, then saying you're Espiscopalian is enough. What makes it not count is supporting views and actions that conflict with God's word... John

LoyalGypsy -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/20/2008 8:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy Greetings, Being all the hostility in Islamic law towards conversion to the Christian Faith a Muslim in a Jihad with a public expression of a Christian faith attributed it to be an honor to lie for the sake Allah, And �If I am not mistaken� a public expression of a Christian faith dose not mean converted; even in Church circles�..the denouncing of Allah publically sends the wrong message and is about the only thing I believe that is not an option, LG Might not be understanding you here, but it appears to me that you're saying if he makes a public profession he's lying about being Muslim, whereas if he doesn't then he's obvously a Muslim. Then if he makes a profession but it's not worded correctly, then RC has an issue with it. Seems downright Kafkaesque to me. Greetings Kafkaesque, not exactly, never read it, the reiteration is from common not fantastic knowledge quote: Doesn't a public expression of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? But there was a confession and I don�t know of any atheist presidents that prayed to God in a prisoner of war camp on record? But I personally put more Faith in McCain�s confession over Obama�s because he seems to have more of a witness for someone who is not born again. IMHO [;)] LG

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/21/2008 1:33:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GroupW quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames If Obama would speak the truth about his past, Publically state that he has rejected Muhhamed as the Prophet of God, and accepted Jesus Christ as his one and only Lord; that would probably do it. Thanks 'RC Doesn't a public expresssion of a Christian faith qualify on both counts? Last I checked, he's done that. What, stand in front of a large sign that says "Jesus is Lord" while his actions make a mockery of that beloved Name? For that is what he did and yet his actions speak against and trash the very Character of that Blessed Being.....

RosieCotton -> RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother (6/22/2008 3:27:00 PM)
ie....Bush!!! quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: We've had "Christians" in office and look at jobs they've done as President....( i.e. Jimmy Carter [sm=aside.gif]

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