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GroupW -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 3:06:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: henny

There's really only one candidate that Obama should pick: James Webb.

He's perfect because: (1) He has foreign policy/ military experience (he was secretary of the navy under Reagan), (2) He's from the south (Virginia) and might increase Obama's appeal to Southerners, (3) He's more moderate than most Dems and used to be GOP (which would help Obama appeal to moderates), and (4) he's been a rational and sane critic of the War in Iraq (as oppossed to an irrational and insane one, the likes of which do exist in the democratic party).

He would have made a great VP for Hilary too.


Doubtful say the pundits - Webb is a bit unpredictable and prone to putting his foot in his mouth. Other than that, probably not a bad choice but I think he's viewed as too risky.



GroupW -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 3:13:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady

I predict Obama will pick Al Gore; even though I believe Al Gore's goal is to be Head of The UN one day --- as someone else suggested a while back, it would keep him in the 'Politics' spot light. And of course he just endorsed Obama, which would be a necessary step in the process to becoming VP.

I'd like to see McCain and Newt Gingrich, but I really don't think that will happen.

In actuality I say this election will be won according to who has the best running mate for VP; Most Voters are going to the Polls to vote in Office the next VP, not the next President --- Obama and McCain are just Political forerunners.


I could see Newt. Al is a bit of a dark horse - but possible. Don't think he'd accept the slot though. Obama needs experience on the ticket, and Gore would fit.

Also a dark horse - Bob Rubin. Would give some experience plus some cred on the economic front which Obama sorely needs. Personally, I'd feel halfway decent about that ticket.



GroupW -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 3:14:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JhudBut who knowa - this election is perhaps the most unpredictable in my memory.


Listened to a series of speeches by some political analysts last week in New York. They didn't agree on anything except the above comment.



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 3:19:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP

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ORIGINAL: Jeff_from_Kentucky

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ORIGINAL: WesP

To get the most voters behing him, McCain would have to choose someone like Lieberman. Most conservatives are going to hold their noses and vote McCain, but he needs to pull from the left to win. That requires even more liberal ideology from his VP.


At the cost of losing the conservative base of his party? Lieberman is okay but if McCain does not chose a staunch conservative, he will lose the base of the party. There are many of us who are strongly considering a third party candidate such as Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin because McCain is too liberal. Choosing another liberal would be shooting himself in the foot. If he wants the conservative vote, he has to chose a conservative. McCain already appeals to moderates but the moderates alone will not win him the election, especially if he can't pull in the base of his party.


How many conservatives will choose a third party? That is like tossing your vote in the trash. Choosing Lieberman still does not equate to Osama.


Well, according to polls that I read, a couple million of us staunch conservatives are probably going to vote for a third party candidate because, as of right now, there is no legitimate conservative candidate running for the Republican Party. Right now, I'm planning to vote for Chuck Baldwin.

And a couple of million votes could make the difference in this election. depending on the states most affected by them.



GroupW -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 3:27:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP

To get the most voters behing him, McCain would have to choose someone like Lieberman. Most conservatives are going to hold their noses and vote McCain, but he needs to pull from the left to win. That requires even more liberal ideology from his VP.


I think I agree with that. Doesn't necessarily need to be very liberal but probably just right of center. Should be enough to bring conservative dem's & heretofore disaffected republicans back on board.



jfwink -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 3:46:23 PM)

Obama would do well to pick Sam Nunn as a running mate. Nunn has a reputation as a moderate. He would lend experience to the ticket, on top of that he would lend credibility concerning foreign policy. Finally, Nunn is from the South, and would only help Obama potentially pick off some red states.



WesP -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 3:58:19 PM)

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Well, according to polls that I read, a couple million of us staunch conservatives are probably going to vote for a third party candidate because, as of right now, there is no legitimate conservative candidate running for the Republican Party. Right now, I'm planning to vote for Chuck Baldwin.

And a couple of million votes could make the difference in this election. depending on the states most affected by them.


I can see a difference, too. It potentially would be handing Obama the election.



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 4:25:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP

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Well, according to polls that I read, a couple million of us staunch conservatives are probably going to vote for a third party candidate because, as of right now, there is no legitimate conservative candidate running for the Republican Party. Right now, I'm planning to vote for Chuck Baldwin.

And a couple of million votes could make the difference in this election. depending on the states most affected by them.


I can see a difference, too. It potentially would be handing Obama the election.


At least I would have a clear conscience of knowing that I voted for someone I believe in rather than having to settle for left or lefter. But, we already have a thread for discussing the pros and cons of voting for alternative candidates. I would be happy to discuss this with you there rather than hijack this thread any further.



GroupW -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 4:37:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jfwink

Obama would do well to pick Sam Nunn as a running mate. Nunn has a reputation as a moderate. He would lend experience to the ticket, on top of that he would lend credibility concerning foreign policy. Finally, Nunn is from the South, and would only help Obama potentially pick off some red states.


He helps on the foreign policy/military side quite a bit. Less so on the economic side. Rubin's name is getting tossed around by some analysts. Would help on the economics side, but very limited value on defense issues. This election, economics may trump non-domestic issues.

Like everything else - too close to call. Either would be a good choice to me.

I doubt you can find someone who can bring much firepower on BOTH issues. After all, when was the last time you sent an economist to war?



todd_t -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 5:53:19 PM)

Today, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said he would consider a slot on Obama's ticket if asked. That would be pretty fascinating, if it occurred.

I understand that after he read it this spring, Barack Obama was intrigued by "Team of Rivals" by Doris Kearns Goodwin (a book about Lincoln staffing his cabinet with political rivals to avoid surrounding himself with yes-men), and has discussed building his own cabinet (were Obama to be elected) in a similar manner.

Some others suggested on various news sites today that Al Gore or John Edwards would be a good pick for Obama.

To that, I must say "no" to both.



csl7037 -> RE: VP predictions (6/20/2008 8:36:31 PM)

I think McCain's best bet (to pander to the mindless conservatives who are going to hand us an Obama Administration) would be the lady from Alaska. She'd look great on the ticket but I, for one, would lose a lot of respect for a mother of very small children who'd put herself in that position. She's going to (and does) get the anti-abortion fanatics all in a frenzy because she didn't abort her Down's baby but I can't get all excited about that if she just bails and leaves him (and her older daughter) to nannies for the next 4 years.

But it's like voting for American Idol - and she's pretty and sings a pretty tune. We just don't think. We don't vote with our brains, by and large - conservative or liberal.

I'm as conservative (and yes pro-life) as anyone but I, for one, would be intrigued by a McCain/Lieberman ticket. I don't have to agree with the man to trust and respect him . . which is more than I can say for any of these other clowns.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: VP predictions (6/21/2008 1:21:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: csl7037

I think McCain's best bet (to pander to the mindless conservatives who are going to hand us an Obama Administration) would be the lady from Alaska. She'd look great on the ticket but I, for one, would lose a lot of respect for a mother of very small children who'd put herself in that position. She's going to (and does) get the anti-abortion fanatics all in a frenzy because she didn't abort her Down's baby but I can't get all excited about that if she just bails and leaves him (and her older daughter) to nannies for the next 4 years.



That is an assumption....



csl7037 -> RE: VP predictions (6/21/2008 5:02:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod

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ORIGINAL: csl7037

I think McCain's best bet (to pander to the mindless conservatives who are going to hand us an Obama Administration) would be the lady from Alaska. She'd look great on the ticket but I, for one, would lose a lot of respect for a mother of very small children who'd put herself in that position. She's going to (and does) get the anti-abortion fanatics all in a frenzy because she didn't abort her Down's baby but I can't get all excited about that if she just bails and leaves him (and her older daughter) to nannies for the next 4 years.



That is an assumption....


Whoever raises him, it wont be the VP. Especially not the VP Candidate in the middle of an election. Everything I read about this lady makes her sound like Superwoman but I'm assuming she still has to sleep at some point and has the same 24 hours/day that everyone else does. The mother of older, relatively self sufficient children (teenagers) could be a great VP; but not the mother of an toddler, IMO.



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: VP predictions (6/21/2008 5:12:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: csl7037

Whoever raises him, it wont be the VP. Especially not the VP Candidate in the middle of an election. Everything I read about this lady makes her sound like Superwoman but I'm assuming she still has to sleep at some point and has the same 24 hours/day that everyone else does. The mother of older, relatively self sufficient children (teenagers) could be a great VP; but not the mother of an toddler, IMO.


I strongly disagree. Constitutionally, the VP only has one duty and that is to be the President of the Senate. And most of the time, the VP doesn't even do that.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: VP predictions (6/21/2008 7:41:22 PM)

Superwoman[:D]

http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=151



davemiller7 -> RE: VP predictions (6/24/2008 1:37:06 PM)

The more I hear of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the better I like her. Also, Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania or Rick Lazio of New York would be good.

-Dave



cow451 -> RE: VP predictions (6/26/2008 3:04:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff_from_Kentucky

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ORIGINAL: csl7037

Whoever raises him, it wont be the VP. Especially not the VP Candidate in the middle of an election. Everything I read about this lady makes her sound like Superwoman but I'm assuming she still has to sleep at some point and has the same 24 hours/day that everyone else does. The mother of older, relatively self sufficient children (teenagers) could be a great VP; but not the mother of an toddler, IMO.


I strongly disagree. Constitutionally, the VP only has one duty and that is to be the President of the Senate. And most of the time, the VP doesn't even do that.


Well, I hate to bring it up but McLobby will be 72 years old at Inaugural time. No way he is going to get a second term. Everybody brings up Reagan, but St. Ron ran against a tomato can for re-election.

That makes the VP the lead horse in the '12 race.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: VP predictions (6/30/2008 10:46:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

The more I hear of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, the better I like her.
-Dave


She is a jewel. She says she is not interested this election cycle, but we have heard that one before.



henny -> RE: VP predictions (7/1/2008 10:54:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

Well, I hate to bring it up but McLobby will be 72 years old at Inaugural time. No way he is going to get a second term. Everybody brings up Reagan, but St. Ron ran against a tomato can for re-election.

That makes the VP the lead horse in the '12 race.


Supposedly McCain had a "One term only" declaration in victory speech after winning the Republican primary, but his advisers convinced him to take it out because they thought if he announces a 1 term only presidency it will put him immediately into a "lame duck" status that most presidents experience their last 1 or 2 years in office.

Personally I think it would only benefit him to announce such a thing. I think people would be more willing to "try him out" if he only lasts for 4 years, and he could also play up the idea that he simply wants to "get things done" and has no interest in the sort of all year round campaigning that Bush has done, although obviously his VP pick would become 100 times more important, as if this were the case, I think he would want to look for someone like him who would carry his legacy, as oppossed to picking someone who would merely benefit him politically in the election.



davemiller7 -> RE: VP predictions (7/2/2008 10:00:12 AM)

Yeah, and if at the end of his 4 year term, he decided to run again, all the Dems could bash him for going back on his word. Nope! Nope! Not smart to declare a one term presidency.

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: henny

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ORIGINAL: cow451

Well, I hate to bring it up but McLobby will be 72 years old at Inaugural time. No way he is going to get a second term. Everybody brings up Reagan, but St. Ron ran against a tomato can for re-election.

That makes the VP the lead horse in the '12 race.


Supposedly McCain had a "One term only" declaration in victory speech after winning the Republican primary, but his advisers convinced him to take it out because they thought if he announces a 1 term only presidency it will put him immediately into a "lame duck" status that most presidents experience their last 1 or 2 years in office.

Personally I think it would only benefit him to announce such a thing. I think people would be more willing to "try him out" if he only lasts for 4 years, and he could also play up the idea that he simply wants to "get things done" and has no interest in the sort of all year round campaigning that Bush has done, although obviously his VP pick would become 100 times more important, as if this were the case, I think he would want to look for someone like him who would carry his legacy, as oppossed to picking someone who would merely benefit him politically in the election.



todd_t -> RE: VP predictions (7/2/2008 1:58:52 PM)

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Everybody brings up Reagan, but St. Ron ran against a tomato can for re-election.


Plus, he (sadly) began suffering from Alzheimer's during his last two years in office.

IMO, the "age issue" is a valid one.

Not to bring up a dour issue, but what would be the political procedure were a party candidate to pass away before the November election? Go with the person who received the second-greatest number of delegates, or postpone the election entirely?



WesP -> RE: VP predictions (7/2/2008 2:11:01 PM)

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Plus, he (sadly) began suffering from Alzheimer's during his last two years in office.

IMO, the "age issue" is a valid one.


I have a quick question for you. What age should be the cut-off? Look at the stats below.

What is the age of most people with Alzheimer's disease?

In most people with Alzheimer's disease, symptoms first appear after age 60. About 3 percent of men and women ages 65 to 74 have the disease, but nearly half of those age 85 and older may have the disease. The average age at diagnosis is about 80. It is not uncommon for individuals to have mild symptoms for some time before a diagnosis is made.

Based on this, he would be finishing his second term at the time when the rates are highest. Should he not get a first term?



todd_t -> RE: VP predictions (7/2/2008 2:41:04 PM)

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I have a quick question for you. What age should be the cut-off? Look at the stats below.


Alzheimer's is not the only concern for older candidates or office holders; there's a litany of other medical concerns that can surface as people advance into their 70s and beyond, not to mention a exponential decline in their energy level.

This doesn't only apply to McCain or Reagan, but any person of this age level.

And while I'm not advocating ageism, I feel age is a legitimate concern when considering whom to vote for in an election.



rcjames -> RE: VP predictions (7/2/2008 4:17:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff_from_Kentucky
I'm planning to vote for Chuck Baldwin.


Who is Chuck Baldwin?

Thanks
RC



WesP -> RE: VP predictions (7/2/2008 4:32:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

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I have a quick question for you. What age should be the cut-off? Look at the stats below.


Alzheimer's is not the only concern for older candidates or office holders; there's a litany of other medical concerns that can surface as people advance into their 70s and beyond, not to mention a exponential decline in their energy level.

This doesn't only apply to McCain or Reagan, but any person of this age level.

And while I'm not advocating ageism, I feel age is a legitimate concern when considering whom to vote for in an election.



OK. I was genuinely curious about your reasoning. Thank you for clearing it up for me. This post I can agree with for the most part.



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