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mutinywxgirl -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/25/2008 2:16:09 PM)

You know, I had never thought of it like that before, but wow, does that ever speak to me - as I do believe that is what I so desire too.

Thanks for sharing that insight.



hotsaucygma -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/25/2008 2:22:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WaitingforBoaz

Yep, Pray for what you want, but accept Gods perfect will which may actually be the opposite of what we prayed for, or at least very different from what we prayed for.

And that should be repeated ... boldly. [:D]



WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/26/2008 2:43:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hotsaucygma

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ORIGINAL: WaitingforBoaz

Yep, Pray for what you want, but accept Gods perfect will which may actually be the opposite of what we prayed for, or at least very different from what we prayed for.

And that should be repeated ... boldly. [:D]

[;)][:D]



OneOfHisJewels -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/26/2008 2:56:05 AM)

Of course my view of God affects my list. Because of God, I want a Godly man, if I didn't know the Lord, I woudn't.



Blazingson -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/26/2008 10:20:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John_O

(combined two of your posts)


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ORIGINAL: Blazingson

That's a fatuous argument. If you stop at "Please God..." you are no longer bringing your requests before God. Prayer is absolutely essential to a persons relationship with God. If I stop with what you suggest, it's no longer a prayer because it lacks all of the essential parts of a prayer. Worship, thanksgiving, confession and supplication.


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ORIGINAL: John_O

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ORIGINAL: Blazingson
As I stated in an earlier post, Prayer requests or "prayers of supplication" are not about placing an order with God. It's about maintaining and strengthening our relationship with Him. Only that. God knows what we need and what pleases us.


Exactly. And what please God is when we bring our requests to Him. He knows what we need. So why does He want us to ask for it anyway? And since we are asking why wouldn't we ask for what we want?




By asking God for a wife, I am asking for what I want. I'm also trusting Him to work out the details.



Since God knows what we want, and what we are going to ask "Please God" is bringing our requests before him and trusting him to work out the details. Likewise approaching God with a detailed list is bringing our requests before him and trusting him to work out the details.

I know that if I meet someone who matches my list, and I match theirs, then it would have to be a move of God. (I'm not a bi believer in coincidence)
Do you see my point? We are both praying the same way, bringing our requests before God. The only difference is in degree. You are more general, I am more specific. If you are comfortable praying as you do, fantastic. I am comfortable praying as I do.




I do see your point. However, if you should happen to meet someone who doesn't match this list of yours and she really is the one God has sent you, you'll reject the perfect gift from God in favor of the imperfect concept you have idealized in your mind.
A list does nothing but lock your mind onto one thing and that one thing only. A list possesses the danger of creating in us an "all or nothing" attitude. We have invisioned this perfect mate in our minds for so long that when God's idea of a perfect mate comes along, we'll miss out because we want what we want.
It reminds me of the lyrics from an old Petra song, "We're stumbling over dollars trying to find another dime."

I'm glad you're comfortable praying as you do but I'm afraid for you, because it's possible you've missed her already.



iwillfearnoevil -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/26/2008 10:37:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John_O
I know that if I meet someone who matches my list, and I match theirs, then it would have to be a move of God. (I'm not a bi believer in coincidence)


reading that sarcastic blog post the other day about hearing from God, i kinda thought of an analogy to this list approach ... to write in that style

Then there is the lotto theory. This involves praying for very specific conditions much like filling out a lottery ticket. If a situation arises matching those conditions like numbered balls being magicly plucked from the lotto machine, then it is concluded that it must be God.



Prairiehiker -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/26/2008 10:54:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joy2give2u

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Prairiehiker I am curious how you see this discussion being about not having to think?



I get this idea every time I see a post saying we are not supposed to make a list, we are not supposed to have preferences because God will provide whatever He thinks it's best for you. I don't subscribe to the belief that God doesn't want us to use all our abilities to decide on what we want to do in life. He gives us wisdom and discernment to use for our daily living and decision making. If we want to get married, the bible clearly states the "rule" for marriage. We have freedom to decide if we want to get married or not. I don't believe that God has one person in mind for us, nor do I believe that He will force us to marry anyone that we don't like.

Most often, I get the impression that Christians are so afraid to use the God given wisdom to decide to go after what they want in life when it comes to marriage, but with everything else, you don't see them going into major discussion about careers, or buying a house, or anything else.This "finding God's will" seems to apply most strongly to the topic of marriage. Like, where does it say in the bible that God has created one person for you? The way I see it, if you want to marry, then go to places where you can meet Christian men/women, and get to know them. If one clicks, and you're not violating God's principles for marriage, then, the choice is yours to pursue marriage.

I only go by one principle when it comes to finding a mate. It's when our hearts' desires meet and we are not in conflict with the will of God, then for sure I'll marry the guy. Knowing your self, and your desires, and knowing God and His will comes first. Then, when someone comes along that matches those, then, I don't see a big problem. I'll pray about it but I doubt I'll spend an eternity waiting for God to say "Go ahead, I give you my blessing". I don't believe that God works that way.



WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/26/2008 11:08:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Blazingson

quote:

ORIGINAL: John_O

(combined two of your posts)


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ORIGINAL: Blazingson

That's a fatuous argument. If you stop at "Please God..." you are no longer bringing your requests before God. Prayer is absolutely essential to a persons relationship with God. If I stop with what you suggest, it's no longer a prayer because it lacks all of the essential parts of a prayer. Worship, thanksgiving, confession and supplication.


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ORIGINAL: John_O

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ORIGINAL: Blazingson
As I stated in an earlier post, Prayer requests or "prayers of supplication" are not about placing an order with God. It's about maintaining and strengthening our relationship with Him. Only that. God knows what we need and what pleases us.


Exactly. And what please God is when we bring our requests to Him. He knows what we need. So why does He want us to ask for it anyway? And since we are asking why wouldn't we ask for what we want?




By asking God for a wife, I am asking for what I want. I'm also trusting Him to work out the details.



Since God knows what we want, and what we are going to ask "Please God" is bringing our requests before him and trusting him to work out the details. Likewise approaching God with a detailed list is bringing our requests before him and trusting him to work out the details.

I know that if I meet someone who matches my list, and I match theirs, then it would have to be a move of God. (I'm not a bi believer in coincidence)
Do you see my point? We are both praying the same way, bringing our requests before God. The only difference is in degree. You are more general, I am more specific. If you are comfortable praying as you do, fantastic. I am comfortable praying as I do.




I do see your point. However, if you should happen to meet someone who doesn't match this list of yours and she really is the one God has sent you, you'll reject the perfect gift from God in favor of the imperfect concept you have idealized in your mind.
A list does nothing but lock your mind onto one thing and that one thing only. A list possesses the danger of creating in us an "all or nothing" attitude. We have invisioned this perfect mate in our minds for so long that when God's idea of a perfect mate comes along, we'll miss out because we want what we want.
It reminds me of the lyrics from an old Petra song, "We're stumbling over dollars trying to find another dime."

I'm glad you're comfortable praying as you do but I'm afraid for you, because it's possible you've missed her already.


(whistling) I'm going to get rusty if he keeps this up.....I don't even have to say a word.........I could pull up my previous posts that match his, almost word for word..............................................but I won't.[8D]
Having him answer is just way too easy(yawn).....Good going Blazing.

Oh and I fixed the one little area where I do not necessarily agree.[;)]



mutinywxgirl -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/27/2008 6:54:23 AM)

Do we not think that God is big enough to allow us all to pray in the way He knows we need to pray - and about the things we need to pray?

Okay, so John has a "list" in what he is looking for in regards to his new wife. Is this wrong? For John, no, it is not! At all! God knows his desires. Who are we to say that what he desires doesn't match up with what God desires for him? I happen to think that when our desires match up with God's desires, our "lists" will be pretty much the same.

Personally, I don't have a detailed "list", but you better believe I have things that I must see in someone before I will consider dating them. I went through the "talking the talk, but not walking the walk" syndrome 2 years ago, and I'm still skittish from it now. That taught me just how important it is for the man to truly have a heart for God, and just how important it is for him to want to protect MY heart for God. So, that's what is on MY list, and until I find that, then I will remain single. (I *may* have found it - just waiting on God to move.)

I also do believe that God works in those who don't have lists and are trusting God to bring someone to them who God knows is right.

Our God is big enough to work in both cases, don't you think?



Focusing -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/27/2008 8:54:14 AM)

God is huge and all encompassing ... allowing us to pray however we choose. If we choose to have a list or if we choose to not have a list and trust Him exclusively isn't the issue. I've made the point that others are making now, and I can be incorrect because it is the way I have read the comments, but I think what's being said is that others are concerned that we can sometimes become so fixated on our list (or wants to put it another way) that we may miss out on blessings that God is bestowing upon on us.

A friend and I were discussing last night ... before I read any of these comments ... the subject of expectations. I personally believe that when we have so many expectations, we have already played out a scenario in our minds about how it will be or how it "should" be, and by having done so we can completely miss the love and little details that someone else can bring into the relationship.

If we as women expect a man to conduct himself a certain way in a romantic relationship, and he doesn't, how do we react? From my own personal experience in the past, which is what I am basing my comments on, I have been disappointed. And in later mulling it over, I had realized that I completely missed the little things he brought into the relationship ... things that I had not forethought. My thoughts and emotions are based upon my life experiences. They are not based upon the life experiences he has had, the things he has learned, and by not having expectations of the little things through the course of a relationship ... but not already placing it in a box, trying to control the flow ... it leaves me open to receive blessings far greater than I could ever have imagined.

At the same time, I believe certain expectations are essential ... that someone who is a potential spouse follows after Christ, that he has a intense love for Him, that he strives to be like Him more and more each day, that he read the Word and study the Word and meditate on the Word, that he makes the conscious choice to please God. Those are certainly excellent expectations, and I choose to believe that all believers have this on their "list". And that is the point of this thread ...

So, for what it's worth (which I realize is nothing to some people, and that is certainly their choice), I believe with all my heart that when we have too many details on a mental "list" of a potential spouse, we have placed that person into a preconceived box formed from our own limited experiences. And I believe we are the ones who lose out on God's blessings in our life.

I can be wrong, but from these last few posts, I think we are on the same page in this regard. Perhaps we are expressing ourselves differently, but I think the thoughts are similar ... that we need to be cautious of exactly what it is we "expect", and we need keep our priorities lined up, and we need to trust God with the details.

So, for anyone who has the detailed lists of he/she must be this size, with this color hair, and this age, and this educational background, and this kind of career and plans for their future ... that's your choice, but please don't overlook someone simply because they don't fit into the box you have created in your mind about that person. God knows what we need, and He has our best interests in mind.

I know this can become a very heated debate, about "lists" and I'm right and if you don't agree with me you're wrong, but let's set aside the pride issue that creates that line of thinking, and realize that as brothers and sister in Christ, we also desire God's blessing in our brethren's lives.



WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/27/2008 9:56:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mutinywxgirl

Do we not think that God is big enough to allow us all to pray in the way He knows we need to pray - and about the things we need to pray?

Okay, so John has a "list" in what he is looking for in regards to his new wife. Is this wrong? For John, no, it is not! At all! God knows his desires. Who are we to say that what he desires doesn't match up with what God desires for him? I happen to think that when our desires match up with God's desires, our "lists" will be pretty much the same.

Personally, I don't have a detailed "list", but you better believe I have things that I must see in someone before I will consider dating them. I went through the "talking the talk, but not walking the walk" syndrome 2 years ago, and I'm still skittish from it now. That taught me just how important it is for the man to truly have a heart for God, and just how important it is for him to want to protect MY heart for God. So, that's what is on MY list, and until I find that, then I will remain single. (I *may* have found it - just waiting on God to move.)

I also do believe that God works in those who don't have lists and are trusting God to bring someone to them who God knows is right.

Our God is big enough to work in both cases, don't you think?


I would never take it upon myself to tell someone else how to pray....all prayer is good in my opinion.
I was mostly joking...........I just thought it interesting seeing my words written by someone else is all. [:D] Just a little healthy teasing.[:)]

~Blessings~



mutinywxgirl -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/27/2008 10:05:54 AM)

While I know that and so do a few others, there are many lurking and new who may not - just clarifying the issue.



WaitingforBoaz -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/27/2008 10:08:11 AM)

Hmmmm. True. [&:]

I will make it very obvious that I am joking next time.[:D]



joy2give2u -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/27/2008 10:26:42 AM)

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I get this idea every time I see a post saying we are not supposed to make a list, we are not supposed to have preferences because God will provide whatever He thinks it's best for you. I don't subscribe to the belief that God doesn't want us to use all our abilities to decide on what we want to do in life. He gives us wisdom and discernment to use for our daily living and decision making.
I agree God does want us to use all the ability, wisdom and discernment he has giving us to make decisions in life.

I also believe, especially when it comes to who we will marry, we truly want the desires of our hearts....and that is what God will give us.

As far as list we all have one, to an extent, even if it is not written down or formulated to look like a list.

My challenge for myself and to others, through this thread, is to ask ourselves what does desire of our hearts really mean?

The dictionary states to desire is to wish or long for;crave;want.............

God promises to give us the desires of our hearts. If he promises to give us these desires isn't it important that we begin to fully understand the difference between Godly desires and our human desires?

I think of Jesus, since we are to reflect him, and ask myself what were the desires of His heart. What are mine?

I read people post those things which are important on their list, including things which would be on my list if I had one, and am saddened because they are based on the things we want, on things seen through our human eyes, and in my opinion do not reflect our true hearts desires.....

The things we want in a spouse may be things God wants for us, things we want but are they really the desires of our hearts when we look at our heart's desires through God's eyes?

My view of God does affect my view of a potential.......my unwritten list........but not in the way addressed mostly in this thread........

Things which use to be important to me......things I desired in a husband have changed.......

Because my understanding of what Godly desires are have changed.

I use to pray for a husband who could provide for me. Growing up very poor it was important to me to not have to live with the worries my parents faced day in and day out.

Now on the surface this seems like a Godly desire but is it?

Am I suppose to depend on my husband to provide for me? I believe God will allow me to marry someone who will but should my goal be to marry someone who can?

What does the bible tell me? As I grow closer to God what does he show me over and over? That it is he who will provide for me.........He is the one I should depend on when it comes to meeting my needs........No matter who I marry it will be God to whom I place my trust to provide for me........

I think, because we base our desires on our humanity instead of our spirit, we make list based on the things our flesh desires......and often those things are more goals then Godly desires.........

A goal is great......and important in most areas of our lives.......but the problem with confusing our desires with our goals and living our lives based only on those goals is that goals, though they may be based on God's desires for us, are dependent on another person............

Where a Godly desire is based more on our relationship with Him and not on outside circumstances, people, or things..........

The whole reason God sent Jesus to die for us is because His heart's desire, the thing which he longs for.......craves and wants more then all that he has.........is a relationship with us......a personal, one on one, face to face, relationship with you and I.

Why are our desires less?

I believe it is because we often don't know the desire of our hearts because we confuse a desire with a want, or goal.

The closer we grow to the Lord the more the desires of our hearts change.........no longer are our eyes on things of this world...but our eyes have been renewed and we begin to see things based on God's kingdom.

My heart's desires today are different today then they were six months ago, a year ago, five years ago...

Not because I want any less to marry an attractive man, who loves to hike, backpack, bike ride, and do outdoorsy things.......Not because I no longer want a man who can provide for me........Not because I have changed the type of man I am attracted too.......

But because my eyes have turned from those things to seeing God more clearly.......to knowing him better........and as my view of the Lord has changed my heart's desires have changed..........

More than a man who will provide for me I desire to walk more and more in dependence and trust in the Lord to provide all my needs...........I take captive any money worry which comes to mind and allow God to replace those thoughts with scripture which reminds me who my provider is.........

I don't need to have a man who provides for me on my list because I know God is my provider.

Recently the thing God has revealed to me is how my heart beats with passion when he leads me to pray over someone for healing..........when he opens up the heavens and I can see His kingdom........or even more when I am sharing with someone what God has revealed to me......my heart desires is to see what God is doing, hear what he is saying.....and join him in the work he is doing in his kingdom.

The desires of my heart.........I can't make a list for them, not even when it comes to a husband.....because God is continually revealing new ones to me as I grow more and more intimate with Him.......as I walk in the dust of His footsteps.

Now I know I will not marry a man who does not believe in open heavens..........Not because I am judging him nor because I think I am more spiritual then him but because my heart's desire......my passion.......the thing that makes my heart beat are things only seen when the roof is off my house.

The problem I see with list as discussed here is they are based on the things we want from this world and not the things we crave in our relationship with the Lord.

I don't need a list because I do not "want" to marry a man based on my limited vision, based on only what God has revealed to me thus far about my heart desires. I want to marry a man who God knows will come along side me and walk the same path I am walking.......

I can search for a husband based on what I wish or long for; crave; want in a relationship but I chose not too........because the desire of my heart......the things I wish and long for.......those things I crave have little to do with what my flesh desires and everything to do with what my spirit desires.

I believe as I seek him more and more.........God will bring a man along side me who is seeking a wife not based on the desires of his human heart but his spirit's heart.



Focusing -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/27/2008 11:00:04 AM)

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My heart's desires today are different today then they were six months ago, a year ago, five years ago...

Mine are different than they were even one week ago ... we never know when God will change our lives profoundly.

He's full of surprises like that.



makarizo -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/28/2008 10:45:06 AM)

maybe an unfair comparison, BUT.... I am sure that the pharisees made a big ol' list of what their expectations in a Messiah should be.
and they totally missed it.

pray for the person and NOT the list.

in fact.... pray for the person making the list!!!



John_O -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/29/2008 11:50:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Blazingson


I do see your point. However, if you should happen to meet someone who doesn't match this list of yours and she really is the one God has sent you, you'll reject the perfect gift from God in favor of the imperfect concept you have idealized in your mind.
A list does nothing but lock your mind onto one thing and that one thing only. A list possesses the danger of creating in us an "all or nothing" attitude. We have invisioned this perfect mate in our minds for so long that when God's idea of a perfect mate comes along, we'll miss out because we want what we want.
It reminds me of the lyrics from an old Petra song, "We're stumbling over dollars trying to find another dime."

I'm glad you're comfortable praying as you do but I'm afraid for you, because it's possible you've missed her already.


Highly unlikely I've missed her. I've only been looking a few months.

If my child asks me for a fish would I give them a scorpion?

If the person God has for me does not perfectly match my list, then God will change my list. He's God. He can do that. Until He changes what I want, then it would be foolish for me to accept someone who is not what I want. Why set us both up for unhappiness and unfulfilled expectations for the rest of our lives?



John_O -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/30/2008 12:03:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joy2give2u


God promises to give us the desires of our hearts. If he promises to give us these desires isn't it important that we begin to fully understand the difference between Godly desires and our human desires?


Psalms 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.


I've always read this to mean. As I trust and delight myself in the Lord He will make me to desire those things he wants for me (giving me the desires of my heart, that is giving me the actual Godly desires, not the things I desire. KWIM?)

As I commit to Him and trust in Him He will bring those desires to pass (That is, give me the things that HE has lead me to desire)



joy2give2u -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/30/2008 9:39:40 AM)

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I've always read this to mean. As I trust and delight myself in the Lord He will make me to desire those things he wants for me (giving me the desires of my heart, that is giving me the actual Godly desires, not the things I desire. KWIM?)

As I commit to Him and trust in Him He will bring those desires to pass (That is, give me the things that HE has lead me to desire)
LOL I'm not surprised you don't get what I am talking about LOL

My point (I will try to be clearer[:D]) is as my view of God changes, as I grow closer to him I find the true desires of my heart, those things I long for,crave have everything to do with my relationship with the Lord and little to do with other people, places, things or circumstances.

In the example I used, desiring to marry a man who could provide for me so I would not have to worry about money, is not a true desire of my heart given by the Lord. I use to think it was and therefore prayed for it believing God would give me the desire of my heart.

Why wasn't it a true desire of my heart given by God.........because it was based on my insecurities, experiences and reality.

Why would God give me the desire to marry a man who could provide for me when he promises to be my provider? By longing for, craving such a man I am basically saying to God I need a man to provide for me Lord because I do not trust you to do so.

The problem I have with list is that they are all about what I want out of another and are very self focused......

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Psalms 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.


So you believe as long as we have a good relationship with the Lord he will give us everything we want? I don't think a desire of the heart is a want..........I think it is a deep craving, a hunger, so deep our hearts ache to receive it...........For me those things only apply to my relationship with the Lord......the things I crave, I hunger for, I can't live without can only be fulfilled by him.

God does give us the desires of our hearts because he gives us himself......what we long for is more and more of him.......we were created to desire oneness with him more then anything else in our lives.......to desire such intimacy with him that he consumes our every thought........

What was Adam's heart desire? Did he have a list?

The bible doesn't say he noticed he was lonely and needed a mate. Adam didn't have a clue it was not good for him to be alone because his heart's desires were being meet by the relationship he had with the Lord.

As Adam walked in his heart's desire, being in such intimacy with the Lord, God brought to Him the perfect woman for him.

As we walk towards him in greater intimacy he will bring along side us another who is walking as we are walking.

You know the thing I love about posting..........as I write God always speaks to me.......confirming things he has showed me.

As I wrote this last part about Adam I began to understand more fully what God was showing me when he had a stranger, a spiritual leader from another church, come along side me, take my hand and hold it while praising God under open heavens...........very, very cool....[:D][:D]

Dear Lord,

Thank you so much that I don't have to figure out what type of man I want to marry.......that I don't have to have a list of things to look for..........thank you Lord, that for me, all I need to do is seek you and your kingdom more and more.........thank you Lord that as with Adam you have already decided what I need in a husband.......I thank you father that he will be perfect for me not because of what I think I need but because you chose him for me.........I love you Lord.

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]



Blazingson -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/30/2008 12:07:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John_O

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ORIGINAL: Blazingson


I do see your point. However, if you should happen to meet someone who doesn't match this list of yours and she really is the one God has sent you, you'll reject the perfect gift from God in favor of the imperfect concept you have idealized in your mind.
A list does nothing but lock your mind onto one thing and that one thing only. A list possesses the danger of creating in us an "all or nothing" attitude. We have invisioned this perfect mate in our minds for so long that when God's idea of a perfect mate comes along, we'll miss out because we want what we want.
It reminds me of the lyrics from an old Petra song, "We're stumbling over dollars trying to find another dime."

I'm glad you're comfortable praying as you do but I'm afraid for you, because it's possible you've missed her already.


Highly unlikely I've missed her. I've only been looking a few months.

If my child asks me for a fish would I give them a scorpion?

If the person God has for me does not perfectly match my list, then God will change my list. He's God. He can do that. Until He changes what I want, then it would be foolish for me to accept someone who is not what I want. Why set us both up for unhappiness and unfulfilled expectations for the rest of our lives?




Luke 11:11-13
11 Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!

It is that scripture that gives me the faith to leave the details of my list to Him.



John_O -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/30/2008 6:43:32 PM)

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I've always read this to mean. As I trust and delight myself in the Lord He will make me to desire those things he wants for me (giving me the desires of my heart, that is giving me the actual Godly desires, not the things I desire. KWIM?)

As I commit to Him and trust in Him He will bring those desires to pass (That is, give me the things that HE has lead me to desire)
LOL I'm not surprised you don't get what I am talking about LOL

My point (I will try to be clearer[:D]) is as my view of God changes, as I grow closer to him I find the true desires of my heart, those things I long for,crave have everything to do with my relationship with the Lord and little to do with other people, places, things or circumstances.

In the example I used, desiring to marry a man who could provide for me so I would not have to worry about money, is not a true desire of my heart given by the Lord. I use to think it was and therefore prayed for it believing God would give me the desire of my heart.

Why wasn't it a true desire of my heart given by God.........because it was based on my insecurities, experiences and reality.

Why would God give me the desire to marry a man who could provide for me when he promises to be my provider? By longing for, craving such a man I am basically saying to God I need a man to provide for me Lord because I do not trust you to do so.

The problem I have with list is that they are all about what I want out of another and are very self focused......


You need to read what I wrote again. I know exactly what you mean. That is what I said. As you delight in the Lord where will your desires naturally focus? On Him. He will change your desires (such as for a man who can provide) to line up with what HE desires for you


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Psalms 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.


So you believe as long as we have a good relationship with the Lord he will give us everything we want? I don't think a desire of the heart is a want..........I think it is a deep craving, a hunger, so deep our hearts ache to receive it...........For me those things only apply to my relationship with the Lord......the things I crave, I hunger for, I can't live without can only be fulfilled by him.


No. He will give us everything we desire. But first He will make us to desire those things that HE wants for us.

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What was Adam's heart desire? Did he have a list?


LOL. Would have been kind of hard for him to make one as he had never seen a woman before. He didn't even know what he was missing. It is quite possibly that Adam didn't even realize he was alone (as the bible never says what Adam thought about the situation, only what God thought about it.)



John_O -> RE: Does your view of God affect your potential list? (6/30/2008 6:46:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John_O

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I do see your point. However, if you should happen to meet someone who doesn't match this list of yours and she really is the one God has sent you, you'll reject the perfect gift from God in favor of the imperfect concept you have idealized in your mind.
A list does nothing but lock your mind onto one thing and that one thing only. A list possesses the danger of creating in us an "all or nothing" attitude. We have invisioned this perfect mate in our minds for so long that when God's idea of a perfect mate comes along, we'll miss out because we want what we want.
It reminds me of the lyrics from an old Petra song, "We're stumbling over dollars trying to find another dime."

I'm glad you're comfortable praying as you do but I'm afraid for you, because it's possible you've missed her already.


Highly unlikely I've missed her. I've only been looking a few months.

If my child asks me for a fish would I give them a scorpion?

If the person God has for me does not perfectly match my list, then God will change my list. He's God. He can do that. Until He changes what I want, then it would be foolish for me to accept someone who is not what I want. Why set us both up for unhappiness and unfulfilled expectations for the rest of our lives?




Luke 11:11-13
11 Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!

It is that scripture that gives me the faith to leave the details of my list to Him.


OK so I failed to look it up. It was close enough where you all knew what I meant.[:)]

So you are trusting God to bring you what you need and I am trusting God to bring what I need. The only difference is in that you are praying generally and I am praying specifically. God knows what we need and will give us that.



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