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manda59 -> RE: Baptism away from home (6/25/2008 2:14:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaveW
I am 100% with Laura on this one. It is more about their own personal walk with the Lord and a camp setting is plenty public.




If the only kids they ever mixed with were those at the camp, I guess so.



Roberta_ -> RE: Baptism away from home (6/25/2008 2:28:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: manda59

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ORIGINAL: DaveW
I am 100% with Laura on this one. It is more about their own personal walk with the Lord and a camp setting is plenty public.




If the only kids they ever mixed with were those at the camp, I guess so.


Of my two who were baptized, they were baptized at church because of when they made their decisions.

Most of the time the kids went to camp with kids from their home church and other churches throughout several states. I've seen plenty of kids get baptized at camp and then come home and tell the rest of their church family about it. I've seen plenty of kids accept Christ at camp and then get baptized in their home church. I've also seen a few who got baptized at both places.



OneOfHisJewels -> RE: Baptism away from home (6/25/2008 11:22:13 PM)

This would kind of be a moot point for someone in my denomination, because we baptize babies (although for the record, we do not believe it saves the baby). However, if I knew of a situation like that, I would be against it, because

1. Camp can be a mountaintop experience, in which one gets a "spiritual high," that can go away quickly when the teen comes back home. I would want time with the teen to observe his or her life, and really be sure the fruits are there, and that they have counted the cost, and are truly committed.

2. When one becomes saved, they truly desire to follow God's law, and part of God's law is to honor your parents, and I think honoring one's parents would include waiting for parents, friends, and family to be present, and being baptized in one's own church with one's own pastor and elders and/or deacons (I know not all churches have that structure, but for those that do).

All, that being said, I do think Laura has a point with the example of the Ethiopian.



Roberta_ -> RE: Baptism away from home (6/25/2008 11:26:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OneOfHisJewels

2. When one becomes saved, they truly desire to follow God's law, and part of God's law is to honor your parents, and I think honoring one's parents would include waiting for parents, friends, and family to be present, and being baptized in one's own church with one's own pastor and elders and/or deacons (I know not all churches have that structure, but for those that do).

All, that being said, I do think Laura has a point with the example of the Ethiopian.


At our church camps, generally the whole family and some of the extended family showed up to pick the kids up because of the baptisms.

One's pastor, elder or deacon does not have to do the baptizing. I used to do a lot of babysitting and most of the children would go to church with me. Many of them requested that I baptize them in church.



OneOfHisJewels -> RE: Baptism away from home (6/25/2008 11:39:44 PM)

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One's pastor, elder or deacon does not have to do the baptizing. I used to do a lot of babysitting and most of the children would go to church with me. Many of them requested that I baptize them in church.


Well, that's a viewpoint on which our denominations completely differ, however, I don't want to get the thread off topic by getting into a debate about that, but I liked what you stated in the first paragraph about the family and friends going to camp to see the baptism.



laura... -> RE: Baptism away from home (6/26/2008 9:22:15 AM)

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1. Camp can be a mountaintop experience, in which one gets a "spiritual high," that can go away quickly when the teen comes back home. I would want time with the teen to observe his or her life, and really be sure the fruits are there, and that they have counted the cost, and are truly committed.


Show me any scripture in the New Testament where they observed the life of someone desiring to be baptized before so doing. No, in every case when someone asked to be baptized they were baptized immediately.

Our mission is to preach the gospel, baptize in the Name of Jesus and make disciples. It doesn't say make disciples and then baptize. Upon the profession of faith one should be baptized. They go hand in hand. Baptism is symbolic of the new birth not an award for fruit production. How can we expect a believer to consistently produce the fruit of the Spirit when they haven't yet acted in obedience to the command to be baptized? How can we as Christian parents deny or delay baptism when our children request it? To do so would be to neglect our mission.



stampinlady -> RE: Baptism away from home (6/27/2008 12:41:09 PM)

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Show me any scripture in the New Testament where they observed the life of someone desiring to be baptized before so doing. No, in every case when someone asked to be baptized they were baptized immediately.


I agree. It's not about us it's about our child's relationship with Christ. Photo's would be nice for the scrapbook, but .... .

I did struggle with the post about the "hype" that goes along with some church camps, but .... . I'd be more concerned with the growth afterwards.



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