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Flintejae -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/23/2008 4:03:26 PM)

They should be charged.



ddave12000 -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/23/2008 10:35:00 PM)

Are there laws in our country that state one must receive medical care in the manner most of us would consider normal? If not, I don't think these people should be charged with a crime.

Are they morally responsible? I don't know. Would God actually be upset that someone would believe in Him for healing? While I think the argument is fairly easily made that God gave us modern medicine and understanding, why would it upset God that someone would rely solely on Him for healing, even if they were misguided folks? This also makes me wonder why, if it weren't this young man's time to go (sorry, I don't mean to sound cruel), why wouldn't God have healed him?



cow451 -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/24/2008 11:10:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ddave12000

Are there laws in our country that state one must receive medical care in the manner most of us would consider normal? If not, I don't think these people should be charged with a crime.

Are they morally responsible? I don't know. Would God actually be upset that someone would believe in Him for healing? While I think the argument is fairly easily made that God gave us modern medicine and understanding, why would it upset God that someone would rely solely on Him for healing, even if they were misguided folks? This also makes me wonder why, if it weren't this young man's time to go (sorry, I don't mean to sound cruel), why wouldn't God have healed him?

The law is typically based on the idea of what a "reasonable" person would be expected to do. Again, a "reasonable" expectation of a parent would be to seek medical attention. Ignorance is not an excuse, even if based on religion. God does not rescue us from our stupidity.



earthless -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/24/2008 11:41:09 AM)

Cow is right on.



psende -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/24/2008 2:59:51 PM)

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God does not rescue us from our stupidity.

You are certainly right there. (Although, come to think of it, I believe He's resued me from myself more than a couple of times.)
I guess I think the law should allow us to be stupider than you think it should, especially when it comes to religion.

But I tend to dislike laws designed to save us from ourselves (seatbelt, helmet, and the like) so I imagine that mindset forms my opinion in this case.



WesP -> RE: Are These Parents Smoking Crack? (6/24/2008 3:13:49 PM)

I do not like too much governmental interference either, but I really cannot grasp allowing parents to watch their children die. At some point, there must be some accountability.



Sideways -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/24/2008 3:55:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: psende
But I tend to dislike laws designed to save us from ourselves (seatbelt, helmet, and the like) so I imagine that mindset forms my opinion in this case.


I could agree with that if there weren't children involved. Even if adults aren't required to use a helmet, they should be charged with a crime if their children aren't protected.

Children are vulnerable, and sometimes the government does need to protect them from neglectful, abusive or downright stupid parents.



ddave12000 -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/24/2008 6:27:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

[The law is typically based on the idea of what a "reasonable" person would be expected to do. Again, a "reasonable" expectation of a parent would be to seek medical attention. Ignorance is not an excuse, even if based on religion. God does not rescue us from our stupidity.


So is there a specific law? I'm asking earnestly.

I have to disagree that God doesn't rescue us from our stupidity. I think that's the exact thing he does most of the time! Unless, you've got it all figured out already...[;)]



earthless -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/24/2008 6:29:44 PM)

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So is there a specific law? I'm asking earnestly.



Depends on the state...



cow451 -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/26/2008 2:51:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ddave12000

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ORIGINAL: cow451

[The law is typically based on the idea of what a "reasonable" person would be expected to do. Again, a "reasonable" expectation of a parent would be to seek medical attention. Ignorance is not an excuse, even if based on religion. God does not rescue us from our stupidity.


So is there a specific law? I'm asking earnestly.

I have to disagree that God doesn't rescue us from our stupidity. I think that's the exact thing he does most of the time! Unless, you've got it all figured out already...[;)]

Actually laws, not just one that may apply, given the state. Most states have child negligence laws that would apply, not to mention negligent homicide, etc.

IMHO, God doesn't "rescue" us from from stupidity, but grants us forgiveness.



ddave12000 -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/26/2008 9:33:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

Actually laws, not just one that may apply, given the state. Most states have child negligence laws that would apply, not to mention negligent homicide, etc.


That's fine and all, but is there a law, or laws that state it's negligence on the part of a parent to not bring their child to a normal place of medical care? For the record, I bring my children to the doctor when they are sick, but I am probably a bit of a libertarian..

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ORIGINAL: cow451
IMHO, God doesn't "rescue" us from from stupidity, but grants us forgiveness.


Oh gosh, semantics...



cow451 -> RE: Are These Parents Morally Responsible? (6/27/2008 10:53:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ddave12000

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ORIGINAL: cow451

Actually laws, not just one that may apply, given the state. Most states have child negligence laws that would apply, not to mention negligent homicide, etc.


That's fine and all, but is there a law, or laws that state it's negligence on the part of a parent to not bring their child to a normal place of medical care? For the record, I bring my children to the doctor when they are sick, but I am probably a bit of a libertarian..



Taking a sick child to a doctor is not a Libertarian idea. It's a reasonable thing. Non-libertarians do the same thing. The laws require parents provide basic care (food, clothing, shelter, education, medical care). It is not anything radical nor does it require any exceptional intellect.



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