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Marcus. -> Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/19/2008 10:41:09 PM)

Michael Coren, National Post
Published: Tuesday, June 17, 2008

An exhibition of the history of those scientific ideas that gave a grimy intellectual veneer to the Nazi genocide opened recently at the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. The collection centres on eugenics, the notion that humanity can be improved and perfected by selective breeding and the elimination of individuals and groups considered to be undesirable. Entitled Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race, it reveals how it was not thoughtless right-wing thugs as much as writers and scientists, the intellectual elite, who led the movement.

The exhibit is important, accurate but, regrettably, long overdue. It also fails to stress just how much the socialist left initiated and supported the eugenics campaign, not only in Germany but in Britain, the U. S. and the rest of Europe. Playwright George Bernard Shaw, English social democrat leader Sydney Webb and, in Canada, Tommy Douglas were just three influential socialists who called, for example, for the mass sterilization of the handicapped. In his Master's thesis The Problems of the Subnormal Family, the now revered Douglas argued that the mentally and even physically disabled should be sterilized and sent to camps so as not to "infect" the rest of the population.

It is deeply significant that few if any of Douglas's left-wing comrades in this country or internationally were surprised or offended by his proposals. Indeed the early fascism of 1920s Italy, while unsavoury and dictatorial, had little connection with social engineering and eugenics. The latter German version of fascism was influenced not by ultra conservatism in southern Europe but, as is made clear in the writings of the Nazi ideologues, by the Marxist left.

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Sophie11 -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/19/2008 10:47:56 PM)

Gee, this actually fits in! I've heard some of those in favor of universal healthcare, which in my estimation ought to be called Socialist healthcare, already saying they were debating whether or not those who did not live a healthy lifestyle, eat right and exercise (i.e. overweight folks) should receive any of the health benefits!



dramagal -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/20/2008 3:18:37 AM)

Margaret Sanger began Planned Parenthood as part of the eugenics movement.

Yes, Sophie, when fascism comes to America, it will come with a smiley face.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/20/2008 4:47:34 AM)

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Margaret Sanger began Planned Parenthood as part of the eugenics movement.


Yeah, the more I read, the more I believe she was less about "family planning" and women's health, and more about her vision for a future world dominated by the Aryan ideal. [&:] [:'(]



DaveW -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/20/2008 11:59:20 AM)

She promoted "family planning" as a way to rid the country of blacks and the poor. In a couple of generations they would disappear thru non-reproduction.



aslouie -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/23/2008 4:02:49 AM)

I think Jonah Goldberg (author of "Liberal Fascism") should pick up and take notice about this Canadian news article.[;)]



PaleHawkWoman -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/24/2008 3:32:40 PM)

Gee what about couples who want "designer babies", you know, genetically engineered to be smarter, prettier, more athletically talented, or have certain hair and eye color? most of those folks are yuppies or upper middle class at the very least, hardly socialists. That too is eugenics, folks,and you can bet that there are scientists somewhere right here in America trying to figure out how to milk that cow.



backrowbaptist -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/24/2008 3:57:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aslouie

I think Jonah Goldberg (author of "Liberal Fascism") should pick up and take notice about this Canadian news article.[;)]


I'm sure he's aware of the exhibition. He made exactly the same points in the book, which was also 'sadly' WAY over-due.

Great quote from the article:
"Because some of the most pernicious intellectual criminals of the past century wore red they have escaped condemnation."



Sophie11 -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/24/2008 4:48:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman

Gee what about couples who want "designer babies", you know, genetically engineered to be smarter, prettier, more athletically talented, or have certain hair and eye color? most of those folks are yuppies or upper middle class at the very least, hardly socialists. That too is eugenics, folks,and you can bet that there are scientists somewhere right here in America trying to figure out how to milk that cow.


You are exactly right on that, PaleHawk. Anyone who is so worried about what the child will look like in order to want it ought not to be having a child in my opinion.

But socialist ideals appeal to more than just the poor or lower class, it isn't always the case of the poor wanting what the rich have. So I would not be too sure that some of these "yuppies" are not in favor of socialist agendas. It's hard to say.



SILVERNAME -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/30/2008 1:07:27 AM)

the democrats are pro-eugenics.

as are the govts o britain and many other countries in europe .

canada is also pro-eugenics.



cybrjewls -> RE: Socialists made eugenics fashionable (6/30/2008 3:17:49 AM)

You should see some of the effects that the so-called medication that 'doctors' give their mental patients have on them over the long term. Our society, too, has adopted all of the science and teaching of the marxist social reforms that led to Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler who persecuted the very people who were not among the 'strong' 'anointed' judean sets, thus getting rid of the fringe factions.

Some could realize that Marx, Freud, Hitler, and many other so-called brilliant thinkers are of The Holy People of God known as the Lord's inheritance; even Israel.

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ORIGINAL: Marcus.

Michael Coren, National Post
Published: Tuesday, June 17, 2008

An exhibition of the history of those scientific ideas that gave a grimy intellectual veneer to the Nazi genocide opened recently at the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. The collection centres on eugenics, the notion that humanity can be improved and perfected by selective breeding and the elimination of individuals and groups considered to be undesirable. Entitled Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race, it reveals how it was not thoughtless right-wing thugs as much as writers and scientists, the intellectual elite, who led the movement.

The exhibit is important, accurate but, regrettably, long overdue. It also fails to stress just how much the socialist left initiated and supported the eugenics campaign, not only in Germany but in Britain, the U. S. and the rest of Europe. Playwright George Bernard Shaw, English social democrat leader Sydney Webb and, in Canada, Tommy Douglas were just three influential socialists who called, for example, for the mass sterilization of the handicapped. In his Master's thesis The Problems of the Subnormal Family, the now revered Douglas argued that the mentally and even physically disabled should be sterilized and sent to camps so as not to "infect" the rest of the population.

It is deeply significant that few if any of Douglas's left-wing comrades in this country or internationally were surprised or offended by his proposals. Indeed the early fascism of 1920s Italy, while unsavoury and dictatorial, had little connection with social engineering and eugenics. The latter German version of fascism was influenced not by ultra conservatism in southern Europe but, as is made clear in the writings of the Nazi ideologues, by the Marxist left.

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