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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/23/2008 3:44:55 PM
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Sophie11
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I think these girls will be facing many consequences when these babies are born. They will soon learn that the babies are the ones that need to be loved and won't be able to give the love these girls felt they were lacking. They will find out just how hard it is to get up in the middle of the night and the day to day parenting that these babies require. They have many many consequences facing them for many years to come.
I think it is a little too late to be slapping any sense into these girls. What they need, and hopefully have, is a supportive family but I would be surprised if they had that.
I agree entirely.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/23/2008 10:04:39 PM
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These girls need to face the consequences of their sin but they won't. The school already provides a daycare. So society as usual must bare the brunt of the actions of these immature girls since they know they can still finish school and have no problems whatsoever.
Tell me-what in your opInion should the "punishment" be for the boys who fathered these children? Should the boys be able to finish school and the girls not? Let's not forget "intentional" or not-these babies were parented by 2 people, and not the girls alone.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/23/2008 10:22:43 PM
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Sophie11
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No matter how fast kids these days seem to be growing up, they are still kids. They are not adults like they want to think they are. It is going to be years until these girls really realize the consequences for their actions. The best thing to do in the meantime, in my opinion, is to give them as much support as possible along with some obviously much needed guidance.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/28/2008 4:23:47 PM
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Mayor Denies Pregnancy Pact Story
GLOUCESTER - The reporter is backing off the story and the mayor is denying it, but residents and students say they still believe the so-called Gloucester High School pregnancy pact really happened.
Mayor Carolyn Kirk insisted there is “absolutely no evidence” by high school girls of “any planned blood oath bond to become pregnant,” after she emerged from a closed-door meeting with city, school and health chiefs yesterday.
The meeting was sparked by explosive comments in a Time magazine article by Gloucester High School Principal Joseph Sullivan, who claimed that up to eight students had made a pact to become baby mamas. Sullivan did not attend the meeting.
“I don’t think we heard the truth today,” said Annette Dion, a 45-year-old private piano teacher and resident.
“This is a tragedy, very upsetting, and when the mayor won’t answer questions it infuriates us even more.
“My personal feeling, my impression, is (the girls) probably talked and discussed, and thought it would be cool to get pregnant together,” she said.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/28/2008 4:42:36 PM
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What's wrong with this statement? These girls are 16 year olds. They are unlikely to graduate from high school, let alone go on to college and careers. To make any sort of pregnancy "pact" before these girls (and their boyfiends who are equally as irresponsible) are mature enough to handle the responsibilities of parenthood is INDEED an indication of low self-esteem, and lack of direction.
Unless their plan was to live with their parents, these girls are bound to be welfare moms mooching off the system. My sympathies are with the children of this immature and irresponsible pack.
I agree 100%
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/29/2008 5:26:49 AM
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What's really sad to me is, if these girls got pregnant because they were looking for someone to love them, and thinking their babies will love them, what happens when the babies become teenagers? These children are going to be raised by irresponsible mothers and no fathers at all. That's damaging, and these moms may not be feeling a lot of unconditional love coming from their children then.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/30/2008 12:21:35 AM
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Well, apparently the motive was that they all wanted to raise their babies together, and they craved "unconditional love".
I'm a little confused about your outrage. What do you think a more correct reason would be?
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 6/30/2008 3:37:33 PM
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Mayor Denies Pregnancy Pact Story
GLOUCESTER - The reporter is backing off the story and the mayor is denying it, but residents and students say they still believe the so-called Gloucester High School pregnancy pact really happened.
Mayor Carolyn Kirk insisted there is “absolutely no evidence” by high school girls of “any planned blood oath bond to become pregnant,” after she emerged from a closed-door meeting with city, school and health chiefs yesterday.
The meeting was sparked by explosive comments in a Time magazine article by Gloucester High School Principal Joseph Sullivan, who claimed that up to eight students had made a pact to become baby mamas. Sullivan did not attend the meeting.
“I don’t think we heard the truth today,” said Annette Dion, a 45-year-old private piano teacher and resident.
“This is a tragedy, very upsetting, and when the mayor won’t answer questions it infuriates us even more.
“My personal feeling, my impression, is (the girls) probably talked and discussed, and thought it would be cool to get pregnant together,” she said.
Well, of course they won't admit they made a pact. I think the fact that the amount of pregnancies suddenly quadrupled is one thing that makes it suspicious--yes it could be a fluke, but generally statistics don't just jump up so dramatically. I really feel for these girls and hope they have all the support they want.
I have no problems with day care centers or any sort of support we can give them to stay in school and make something of themselves, because I have seen teen moms who have graduated college and broken that cycle. All too often, you have a girl like these who have low self-esteem and think a baby or attention from guys will fill the void. I see this all the time where I live. Many of the girls will be pregnant again within a year--sometimes with a different father. They drop out of school and live in the rundown HUD housing and get low paying jobs and welfare benefits, and all too often the girls these children give birth to will get pregnant just like their mother. It is a vicious cycle. I am not for giving them punishment and throwing them out to the wolves to "teach them a lesson"--remember there is a child being brought into this that the punishment advocates are writing off along with the girls, not to mention I have seen the boys getting a free pass on this thread, with the exception of only one post. But I am for anything that will give the children of these girls a better life and for the girls to feel they can succeed at something, instead of just being told her life is over.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 7/1/2008 3:43:35 AM
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It is a vicious cycle. I am not for giving them punishment and throwing them out to the wolves to "teach them a lesson"--remember there is a child being brought into this that the punishment advocates are writing off along with the girls, not to mention I have seen the boys getting a free pass on this thread, with the exception of only one post. But I am for anything that will give the children of these girls a better life and for the girls to feel they can succeed at something, instead of just being told her life is over.
I guess there has been little mention of the boys because the media has made little mention of them. Sadly it is more difficult to prove which boy is the father. Maybe when the babies are bornDNA tests can be done. But at this time the boy can deny all they want.
Does this excuse the boys? Not at all. When and if any boy is proven to be a father they can participate in taking care of the child or pay some kind of child support.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 7/5/2008 5:28:56 AM
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I most definitely do not excuse the boys! We haven't been told much about them, but I think it is possible that at least some of them knew about the pact and took advantage of it. Probably a lot of them didn't know, but they didn't have to have sex. When their children are damaged by fatherlessness, they will have to answer for it. They will also have to answer for their fornication, and why they thought it was okay to do this to a young girl's life. Even if they are able to walk away from it now, unless they repent, they will have to answer for what they have done.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 7/5/2008 12:50:25 PM
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It is a vicious cycle. I am not for giving them punishment and throwing them out to the wolves to "teach them a lesson"--remember there is a child being brought into this that the punishment advocates are writing off along with the girls, not to mention I have seen the boys getting a free pass on this thread, with the exception of only one post. But I am for anything that will give the children of these girls a better life and for the girls to feel they can succeed at something, instead of just being told her life is over.
I guess there has been little mention of the boys because the media has made little mention of them. Sadly it is more difficult to prove which boy is the father. Maybe when the babies are bornDNA tests can be done. But at this time the boy can deny all they want.
Does this excuse the boys? Not at all. When and if any boy is proven to be a father they can participate in taking care of the child or pay some kind of child support.
In Massachusetts the State will ask for a blood test from the said listed father. If it comes up positve then he is on the hook to support the child.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 7/5/2008 4:14:19 PM
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saraimay75
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It is a vicious cycle. I am not for giving them punishment and throwing them out to the wolves to "teach them a lesson"--remember there is a child being brought into this that the punishment advocates are writing off along with the girls, not to mention I have seen the boys getting a free pass on this thread, with the exception of only one post. But I am for anything that will give the children of these girls a better life and for the girls to feel they can succeed at something, instead of just being told her life is over.
I guess there has been little mention of the boys because the media has made little mention of them. Sadly it is more difficult to prove which boy is the father. Maybe when the babies are bornDNA tests can be done. But at this time the boy can deny all they want.
Does this excuse the boys? Not at all. When and if any boy is proven to be a father they can participate in taking care of the child or pay some kind of child support.
In Massachusetts the State will ask for a blood test from the said listed father. If it comes up positve then he is on the hook to support the child.
Good to know.
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RE: Pregnancy Pact - 7/5/2008 9:11:46 PM
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bzirk
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Have you heard the story out of Massachusetts about the high school girls that made a pact to get pregnant together?
Doesn't surpirse me but this is the part (aside from the obvious) that really gets my goat. The superintendent of the school system says this happens because the girls have "low self-esteem and no direction." 
Just that statement alone is nonsense and outrageous to me!
How about you?
Well, I agree with the comment about "no direction" (or no direction of any value).
Haven't read this thread, but it will be interesting to do so.
What got me about this situation more than anything else is that the school is blamed. Hello? Where are the parents? Oh yeah, the only time the parents have been mentioned, there has been commentary about the tough economy under the Bush administration and how parents aren't able to be home with their kids to give them guidance. Oh, brother. Man, I've heard some stuff blamed on the Bush administration that was outlandish, and this certainly qualifies. Anyway, that's the only time I've heard of or read of the parents being held to account for what's happened, and certainly the girls in question are not held to account or the young men who got them pregnant.
Other than my comments above about laying blame to the school, not one cell in my body is surprised by this turn of events, and if I think about it, I shouldn't be surprised that school and more importantly the government is blamed since they are becoming the parent more and more.
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The meeting seems useless (for lack or a better word I there is a better word but at this time I can't think of the word) at this point.
